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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 6:06 AM

FLYVOTE


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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Originally posted by FlyVote:
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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Originally posted by FlyVote:
An anti-violence site drives you to anger?

Am I the only one... something about irony... something.


Yeah. I'd say that dude really needs to rethink his campaign cause he's doing a pretty terrible job so far.

Perhaps his campaign was to illicit anger in some people to illustrate his point. Others can separate the message from the media.



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Which is another problem. He has a point but no plan. Hasn't he heard the saying if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem?


Perhaps you should email him and let him know that his site doesn't satisfy you.



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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 6:10 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


...still searching for the funny...


"If I were dying, my last words would be, Have faith and pursue the unknown end." - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 6:38 AM

MSG


oooh last words??? what's up Jonny

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs


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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 6:39 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by FlyVote:
Perhaps you should email him and let him know that his site doesn't satisfy you.


I suppose that's the nice thing to do. I was planning on sitting back and watching his dreams go unfulfilled.

I suppose he could take Nathan down with him though. So, I guess I'll be nice.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 6:53 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by msg:
oooh last words??? what's up Jonny


Hey! Transitioning alright from end of year to beginning of summer school going okay? I know you mentioned some chaos but that's to be expected up to a point. I hope the weekend provided you with some much needed rest.

My last words? Contrary to the quote in my sig, I always figured they would be "Oh, S**t!", as I fall off a cliff. Not glamourous, not memorable, but fitting.
Quote:

what's up Jonny

See my PM...


"If I were dying, my last words would be, Have faith and pursue the unknown end." - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:03 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


There were heroes in the past who didn't use violent acts to accomplish their goals. (Insert ultra sarcastic smiley emote thingy here)

All I know is that I would love not having the option to use violence. And in recent years it feels really good to understand and employ non violent methods of crisis intervention. But realistically there is no chance of us ever seeing that wonderful place in our lifetimes. Human nature simply will not allow it.

As for the bastards who are big and violent in the name of macho posturing, I'd love to break them down physically with my own two hands. That seems to be the only language folks like that understand. But from experience I can honestly say that having the ability to influence a macho type without beating or breaking them is incredible.

The best gunfight you can get into is the one that doesn't happen.

ADD: Sorry I missed the good morning to everyone. I looked back and had to wipe tears away from the "phone conversation" post from HK. Still trying to lower the smile a bit.



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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:25 AM

HELL'S KITTEN


Quote:

Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
What happens between HK and JQ shall stay between HK and JQ. We'll not involve anyone and we certainly don't wish to scare anyone away.

Clarification: there is no "HK and JQ"
Please stop speaking for me.
I am not part of your "we."

...

NV - "phone conversation" picture? *thinks...* Erm... the EvilRoslin thing? Did the tears mean you liked it? ^^

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:31 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Clarification: there is no "HK and JQ"
Please stop speaking for me.
I am not part of your "we."


Further apologies.



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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:36 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Oh hells yes I liked it.

Got into a political conversation with my bud in Iowa the other night and there was a satirical view of the current administration along the lines of the pic. What's more funny is we justified the use of the current scapegoat. coughAlbertoGonzalescough
Figures a Texan would look to f&#* another Mexican.



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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:42 AM

MSG


NV- ok I have said it before and I'll say it again..you are the most amazing man ever!

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs


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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:48 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Was it my stance on violence or the Texas ass raping that I mentioned?

Perhaps it is my winning smile and boyish figure.

Is that 17% enough for the thread?
(Hopes it is 'cause he's not quite up to par)

Stupid rum bottle. It's a love/hate relationship.



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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 9:26 AM

CHRISMOORHEAD


http://www.martinfirrell.com/supersecretthingy.html

Wow, it looks like Satan produce offspring that made a website. I hate idealists.

Or better yet, you want an ideal? How about stoicism? How come the general populace feels obligated to associate death with tragedy? I think it's out of selfishness, personally. Maybe if we as a people started accepting certain inevitabilities of life as part of the cycle, learning how to COPE with them and not trying to avoid and cower from them completley, we'd attain a better grasp the reality that we live in.

Who here thinks that humanity will EVER lose indevidualism? We are simply not the same hive minded creatures that ants are. We will always have indevidual desires and aspirations, and there will always be those of us that are willing to break rules in order to get ahead. Rest assured this WILL lead to violence, and depending on the social and political standings that person has, it could lead to anything from a street fight to a full scale war.

YOU WILL NOT CHANGE THIS.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 10:10 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


It could be worse. Lord knows I'd really be hating life if the world were run by hippie (no offense to DTH)liberal hypocrites. What burns my ass is those folks who preach non-violence but insist on verbally attacking people with a different or opposing view. Even worse they find a non violent, non confrontational (read as pussy) avenues for their vengeance.

I love people who sue. Gives extra targets when their lawyers show up.

In all seriousness, people need to face the truth of life. You're born, stuff happens, pain hurts, pleasure is nice, there will be people that love and hate you for no reason, then you die. Some are not lucky enough to experience those things and others are lucky enough to avoid a few of them. But there is always a beginning and an end.




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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 10:37 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by nvghostrider:
It could be worse.

You're born, stuff happens, pain hurts, pleasure is nice, there will be people that love and hate you for no reason, then you die. Some are not lucky enough to experience those things and others are lucky enough to avoid a few of them. But there is always a beginning and an end.


And the rest of us keep searching for the meaning of the 17%. Might be here:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=San+Bruno,+California,+United+
States&ie=UTF8&ll=37.625041,-122.482667&spn=0.022331,0.038109&z=15&om=1&layer=c&cbll=37.617952,-122.485275&cbp=1,228.978817071945,0.5


If'n you work the zoom right, it's like you're right behind him.

I have no issue with folks using whatever means necessary to protect their own. I don't think violence should be the first option in any disagreement. I don't know if a noble death is better than a cowardly life but I would like to think so. Likewise it seems that a noble life is better than a cowardly death. Only those who have actually died can answer that. I conjure a noble life trumps a cowardly one every time.

That said, every war in every age has always been about men too old to fight deciding to send men too young to decide to fight for them. "Where does that get fun?" It isn't Chess and it isn't Risk and it isn't Stratego or Battleship. It certainly isn't Life. And it's not a Monopoly.

I am grateful for everyone of you who has stood up and done your part for us back home. I am proud that we have people such as you ready to defend us. I'll will never and can never know what you've given up, what you've had to do, for us to continue on here in our various lifestyles. I just don't have those same feelings for the people who have sent you into the dust while they sit in the air-conditioned rooms deciding what losses are acceptable.

None are acceptable.

Some, unfortunately, are inevitable. I am glad you are all still with us.

That's my two coppers.

EDIT: Oh, yeah, let's not forget: today marks the anniversary of D-Day. I drink a toast to those men.


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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 10:53 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Definately along the lines of 17%.

http://www.sat-gps-locate.com/
a disturbing site that details the reason for GPS tracking becoming mandatory for all cell phones in the near future. (Don't view at work. Big Brother might not like it)

ADD: Mentioned D-Day in the tag this morning hoping to remind folks.



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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 10:59 AM

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE


Man, I think putting the 17% funnier title on this really cursed us today...

Zeek, I have to agree with you on Nathan's super secret project thing, to some extent. I closed it after a few minutes. Just way, way too artsy for me. I like the message (and I love the messenger!), but it seemed like idealism for idealism's sake. There are artists and filmmakers out there who seem to think that it's enough to put the message in their art, and then just stand back and wait for the world to change. Good for you for speaking the message at all, but that's really not enough. Get involved in a charity that promotes the message. Give scholarships to young people who personify the message. Hell, put the message on a tshirt so that people can wear the message. But don't expect us to view your oh-so-post-modern art and be fundamentally changed as human beings. It doesn't work that way. To change the real world you have to act in the real world.

I'm all for new definitions of heroism, and new definitions of masculinity. The men in my family have always valued intelligence over strength, compassion over competition. Sure, as a family we suck at team sports, but I know that I could call my father or any of my brothers in the middle of the night crying, and they would not only take the call, but they would talk me through whatever crisis had prompted the call. I have a very close relationship with my dad now because he has talked me through crisises in the past. I love their compassion, their sensitivity, their loyalty, and their humor. I wouldn't trade that for anything.

My brothers learned all that from my father, and my father and uncles learned from their father. I think that's where this sort of movement needs to start: in the home, not in art.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 11:34 AM

MSG


Well I'd like to weigh in all profoundly, but sadly what I have is this...
I'm glad Nathan, in particular, and people in general always strive to become a better, more peaceful society. The problem with utopia is the same problem as communism. It doesn't take into account several millennia of evolution and instinct and the basic underlying fact that many people are just no damn good. Until every child is raised with love, support, and an environment that nourishes them physically, mentally, and emotionally and no child experiences any form of deprivation or unkind treatment or disparity between their needs and what they receive, we will never be able to prevent violent behavior, anger, or anything else. As long as this violence exists, we will need a response which defuses this. Sometimes this can be done verbally, but sometimes, it just has to be stopped physically. So frankly, the human race is simply not equipped , at this point in our evolution, to not be violent. Nice that we keep trying though:)

Edit- I would point out that stoicism is a failure for the same reason. Erase all emotion and you erase all humanity. If you don't love your child, you don't provide for it and everything decays into nothing.

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs


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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 1:06 PM

HELL'S KITTEN


CK, MsG - well said.

wish i had something constructive to add, but you both wrote my thoughts much more eloquently than i can at the mo'

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 1:08 PM

MSG


HUGS HK:) ...oh and how goes life as a rock star??

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs


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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 1:40 PM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Zeek, I have to agree with you on Nathan's super secret project thing, to some extent. I closed it after a few minutes. Just way, way too artsy for me. I like the message (and I love the messenger!), but it seemed like idealism for idealism's sake. There are artists and filmmakers out there who seem to think that it's enough to put the message in their art, and then just stand back and wait for the world to change. Good for you for speaking the message at all, but that's really not enough. Get involved in a charity that promotes the message. Give scholarships to young people who personify the message. Hell, put the message on a tshirt so that people can wear the message. But don't expect us to view your oh-so-post-modern art and be fundamentally changed as human beings. It doesn't work that way. To change the real world you have to act in the real world.

I'm all for new definitions of heroism, and new definitions of masculinity. The men in my family have always valued intelligence over strength, compassion over competition. Sure, as a family we suck at team sports, but I know that I could call my father or any of my brothers in the middle of the night crying, and they would not only take the call, but they would talk me through whatever crisis had prompted the call. I have a very close relationship with my dad now because he has talked me through crisises in the past. I love their compassion, their sensitivity, their loyalty, and their humor. I wouldn't trade that for anything.


Glad I'm not the only one. I did send the guy an email. We'll see if he responds or updates his website.

And JQ edit that huge link. You're making me scroll horizontally.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 1:44 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Okay, I suck. I have time for movies but not for books. I'm re-reading Tom Clancys Without Remorse seein' as I read it in haste the last time with the wish to move on to Rainbow Six. Anyhoo I saw Children of Men with Clive Owen. The flick is a bit gut wrenching in terms of plot devices. Naturally there was a book before there was a movie that I haven't and probably never will read.

To the point. Theo, the main character, endures alot of abuse and witnesses some pretty horrific things. Watching the movie I picked out no less than four instances where he could have reacted violenty. As easily as it came to me in finding those openings I thought that maybe there is someone with a completely opposite view. I've found myself unknowingly looking for the options instead of the violence that ensues in of all things movies. I found Theo to be one of the most heroic characters I've ever seen in a piece of fiction. Not really making a point. Just stating an observation.



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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 3:13 PM

MAGDALENA

"No power in the 'verse can stop me!"


I am alive... I am alive... I am alive...

*cough cough*

sorry... I am though and I miss you all like I would miss an arm or a leg - life is so out of whack and I don't have my FFF.net family on hand to get me through it all...

But at least I am alive - that's a plus... no?



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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 3:39 PM

PENGUIN




Dear one!!!




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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 3:54 PM

MAVOURNEEN


Magda! I'm here, too. *hugs*

Jimi has told me how you've been. I just wanna wrap my arms around you and squeeze the stuffing out of you!!!

Is that more than a glomp?

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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 4:41 PM

HELL'S KITTEN


HI MAGDA!!! *eHugs*
(for when she has to be really quick and can't stay long, i figure she should see that, ne?) *snerk*
Quote:

Originally posted by msg:
HUGS HK:) ...oh and how goes life as a rock star??

blurry
i need a personal shopper so i don't have to go to the grocery store like a non-rockstar.
i would take more pickshas for vicarious rockstar livin', but Mavourneen has inadvertently made me ashamed of the hideous couch. *snikker*
what else... what else... er, dunno. best be getting back to my rockstar cocaine and hookers*.

*where "cocaine and hookers" is pronounced exactly like "mountain dew, chocolate caramel turtles, and star trek: voyager season 4"

PS> dew and chocolate are not a good combination...



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Wednesday, June 6, 2007 9:07 PM

CHRISMOORHEAD


Jonny - There's been plenty of leaders in the past who went to war with their men. Alexander the Great comes to mind most immediately. It's a reason I think that having military experience should be mandatory for all potential presidential candidates.

MSG - First off, let me define being stoic as not portraying emotion. That said, I didn't intend on suggesting pure stoicism as a value above all else, only that it has it's place. I cannot fathom why being able to maintain composure in the face of adversity could ever be misconstrued as negative in any way. It should not only be a base ideal for masculinity, but for humanity as a whole.

I think the entire idea that heroism and masculinity need to be "updated" is based on a POMPUS assumption that we enlightened individuals are somehow ready to move on from our primitive connections. BOO-SHIT. Is anyone familiar with the so called "Age of Enlightenment" in Europe? They spattered the exact same type of gibberish, having the gull just like this guy to think that they can change human nature.

Did our lovely Captain not say similar things about the Alliance towards the end of Serenity?

Look, I'm not saying that men shouldn't be able to connect emotionally. I've held my brothers-in-arms while they cried. I've re-assured my mother. I've had battle buddies look after me when I couldn't handle it anymore. NVG, back me up here, you know how emotional soldiers can get. But we don't need to take it to the extent that we're doing it all publicly. Behind closed doors is fine, and in my opinion, preferable.

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Carry we who die in battle over land and sea,
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Thursday, June 7, 2007 2:26 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


Quote:

Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
PS> dew and chocolate are not a good combination...


duh...


oh yeah, mornin' Imponderables.

~jimi
Emptiness is loneliness, and loneliness is cleanliness
And cleanliness is godliness, and god is empty just like me

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 2:31 AM

MAVOURNEEN


*knits brows together*

You are such a stooge.
We all know that isn't your couch, and isn't reflective of your personal tastes.

Embrace the ugliness that is your hotel couch! Revel in/on it!

Once this luxury known as being displaced from your home ends, won't you be sad you didn't chronicle it for posterity?

Morning, Cooler!

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Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:15 AM

FLYVOTE


Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
*knits brows together*

You are such a stooge.
We all know that isn't your couch, and isn't reflective of your personal tastes.

Embrace the ugliness that is your hotel couch! Revel in/on it!

Once this luxury known as being displaced from your home ends, won't you be sad you didn't chronicle it for posterity?

Morning, Cooler!


Good morning Mav and Jimi! I vote we give this thread a premature mandate to remove the horizontal scrolling situation. In favor?

Edit: The couch stands out in sharp contrast to the occupant.



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Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:23 AM

HELL'S KITTEN


Quote:

Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
Quote:

Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
PS> dew and chocolate are not a good combination...

duh...

But... but... I just couldn't choose between them! I loveded them boths! *weeps!*
*gets distracted by more shiny Dew*
Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Embrace the ugliness that is your hotel couch! Revel in/on it!

Once this luxury known as being displaced from your home ends, won't you be sad you didn't chronicle it for posterity?

*contemplates*
Mavourneen, as usual, you are wise and true.
While I cannot actually bring myself to revel in/on the couch (insert crude joke here... heh, heh... "insert"... heh heh heh), I will endeavor to posteritiorize my all too brief rockstar life.

*HK is on a mission now! For posterity! Hee*



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Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:25 AM

FLYVOTE


Quote:

Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Quote:

Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
Quote:

Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
PS> dew and chocolate are not a good combination...

duh...

But... but... I just couldn't choose between them! I loveded them boths! *weeps!*
*gets distracted by more shiny Dew*
Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Embrace the ugliness that is your hotel couch! Revel in/on it!

Once this luxury known as being displaced from your home ends, won't you be sad you didn't chronicle it for posterity?

*contemplates*
Mavourneen, as usual, you are wise and true.
While I cannot actually bring myself to revel in/on the couch (insert crude joke here... heh, heh... "insert"... heh heh heh), I will endeavor to posteritiorize my all too brief rockstar life.

*HK is on a mission now! For posterity! Hee*



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The only crudeness that I could come up with included posterity and posterior.



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Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:31 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by FlyVote:
I vote we give this thread a premature mandate to remove the horizontal scrolling situation. In favor?


FlyVote votes! And I concur. I didn't realize the link was causing a problem because either my machine or my browser broke the line, and so nothing appeared out of whack. I apologize for the yuck. The Thread appears to have been doomed from the start. Sorry CK and YY.

New thread here: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=29105

And let's not necessarily drop the current convos on account of the new thread.


"If I were dying, my last words would be, Have faith and pursue the unknown end." - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

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