Eh? What's this you say? by JonnyQuest

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

I resent the implication that I have "clearly not seen enough SF in film and/or is a very, very devout member of the Church of Whedon" as I have been a fan of Sci-Fi for at least a decade (that's half my life, folks!) and only became a member of the "Church of Whedon" after I saw Serenity. Which is of course the best sci-fi movie ever!
A lot of people saying it's not the best, but the "most entertaining". That seems odd, since there was much more depth to it than flash-and-glitter entertainment value.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:43 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I resent the implication that I have "clearly not seen enough SF in film and/or is a very, very devout member of the Church of Whedon" as I have been a fan of Sci-Fi for at least a decade (that's half my life, folks!) and only became a member of the "Church of Whedon" after I saw Serenity. Which is of course the best sci-fi movie ever!
A lot of people saying it's not the best, but the "most entertaining". That seems odd, since there was much more depth to it than flash-and-glitter entertainment value.

I noticed the entertainment value in the thread, too (I clearly have not read enough of the thread...).

When I first saw Serenity (having no idea what Firefly was at the time) I was enourmously entertained. I reveled in the characters having such depth individually and such obvious history/chemistry as a group. I've said this before and it still holds true for me: Serenity brought to the screen what the first half of the Star Wars trilogy (which is actually the second half, right? I can never get that straight...) promised to be.

Why our BDH's never caught on to the wider, mass appeal audience, I'll never know. I'll never understand why the Fantastic Four has never resonated with the same appeal of Spider-Man or the X-Men(movies or comic books). It just reminds me, which is the original intent of the poser I think--ill-chosen though his/her examples might be--that we are the FEW and the proud. We are the Mouse that Roared in the big scheme of things. We might not notice it because it is so near & dear and Big to us.

I still ain't about to become a membera no church...

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. - Walt Whitman

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:48 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
I was enourmously entertained. I reveled in the characters having such depth individually and such obvious history/chemistry as a group.

Isn't that what makes a good movie, though?
I didn't know what Firefly was yet either, but I was dragged into the 'verse by Serenity before I even knew what had happened.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:04 AM

Nobody hurt me, but I agree with those who rank Blade Runner above Serenity, as a movie. I loved Serenity, don't get me wrong, and it got me into Firefly, but it's Firefly that I think is worthy of resurrection, Serenity, on it's own (while excellent) is possibly not *as* sequel-worthy.

*Looks around nervously*

This is looking like the 'to arms' thread now.

Don't hurt me.

Please.

I have a Katana and two flatmates to support!

Well, cook for...

Maybe not the katana.

But it needs shinied!

They may think their sins are original, but for the most part they are petty and repetitive.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:11 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
Nobody hurt me, but I agree with those who rank Blade Runner above Serenity, as a movie. I loved Serenity, don't get me wrong, and it got me into Firefly, but it's Firefly that I think is worthy of resurrection, Serenity, on it's own (while excellent) is possibly not *as* sequel-worthy.

*Looks around nervously*

This is looking like the 'to arms' thread now.

Don't hurt me.

Please.

I have a Katana and two flatmates to support!

Well, cook for...

Maybe not the katana.

But it needs shinied!

Plus she can cut veggies for the flatmates' meals.

You cannot imagination the excitement and elation (maybe you can) when I found out there was a series behind it. Was? Oh, yes, the frustration and anger, too...But no, we're not inclined to kill over such blasphemy (darn, and I was gonna get me an ear, too...). You are not alone. Just outnumbered.

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. - Walt Whitman

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:13 AM

Always Outnumbered Never Outgunned.

They may think their sins are original, but for the most part they are petty and repetitive.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:16 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Isn't that what makes a good movie, though?
I didn't know what Firefly was yet either, but I was dragged into the 'verse by Serenity before I even knew what had happened.

I know just what you mean!

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. - Walt Whitman

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:36 AM

DONCOAT

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
You are not alone. Just outnumbered.

Yeah, well, we're known for that.

I'm another Browncoat who fits neither category. I've been a S/F reader for a good 45 years (and that's a deal more than half my life, thanks!). I am not in any church, and specifically not that of Whedon. I watched Firefly from Day One but was never a Buffy or Angel fan or viewer.

I still can't figure how Serenity only places 49th on the Rotten Tomatoes ranking of S/F movies, below many films I don't even consider to be science fiction at all. I mean, really... "Bride of Frankenstein"?

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I'm pointin' right at it!

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:32 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
I agree with those who rank Blade Runner above Serenity, as a movie.

And there I can't argue with you, because I haven't seen Blade Runner. Even if I had, you're entitled to your opinion. I can't imagine liking any movie more than Serenity, but there have been times in the past where I've said that about other movies (The X-files: Fight the Future and the Matrix both come to mind) so it would be silly of me to say I can't be swayed by a good film. Of course, I seriously doubt Serenity/Firefly will jump the shark as so many others have (likely won't ever get the chance to, and from what I've seen of the other fandoms Joss doesn't seem to have that pattern) so it'll never be 'cheapened' for me, but hey new stuff is coming along all the time...

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:03 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by DonCoat:
I still can't figure how Serenity only places 49th on the Rotten Tomatoes ranking of S/F movies, below many films I don't even consider to be science fiction at all. I mean, really... "Bride of Frankenstein"?

I dunno, looks pretty SciFi to me:

Strictly speaking it's not a horror movie. It's SciFi Dystopia, told from a Gothic Horror perspective. Likewise "Alien" is more of a horror movie than it is SciFi...

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. - Walt Whitman

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:15 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

I have never heard of this scalzi.com and therefore do not give a load of crap what is written there.

Perhaps the fans of this website (scalzi)are not vocal enough?

hmmmmmmmmm

And Blade Runner sucked! Like completely! Complete and total suckage on the suck meter.

But that is just my opnion.

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FORSAKEN original

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:22 PM

You know, I've always thought of Sci-Fi as more of a theme then a genre, so many of the best skyfi's are very clearly horror, or comedy, or some other genre, always felt that the best are those that make the most of this.

They may think their sins are original, but for the most part they are petty and repetitive.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:25 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
You know, I've always thought of Sci-Fi as more of a theme then a genre, so many of the best skyfi's are very clearly horror, or comedy, or some other genre, always felt that the best are those that make the most of this.

They may think their sins are original, but for the most part they are petty and repetitive.

Smart boy!

and he's pretty too!

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:28 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
You know, I've always thought of Sci-Fi as more of a theme then a genre, so many of the best skyfi's are very clearly horror, or comedy, or some other genre...

Like western?

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:26 PM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Perhaps the fans of this website (scalzi)are not vocal enough?

I kept looking for familiar names...

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And Blade Runner sucked! Like completely! Complete and total suckage on the suck meter.

But that is just my opnion.

C'mon, FMF, be honest. What did you really think of Blade Runner?

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Like western?

But who would ever make such a thing? Who would watch it?

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. - Walt Whitman

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:57 PM

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Like western?

But who would ever make such a thing? Who would watch it?

Tombstone, The Outlaw Josey Wales, Unforgiven, and of course the 'dollars' trilogy.

Now I'm not much of a John Wayne fan, but the above are some damn good films, and, sorta western-ish really xD

And FMF, I'm a just gonna say thankee

They may think their sins are original, but for the most part they are petty and repetitive.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:02 PM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
And FMF, I'm a just gonna say thankee

Watch yourself, son, she's got wiles an' she'll use 'em on ya.

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. - Walt Whitman

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:23 PM

I can be live with being wiled

Brings me onto another topic entirely though, scares me that I've started calling my patients 'son'...

I mean I'm only 22!

They may think their sins are original, but for the most part they are petty and repetitive.

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Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:02 PM