The first time you saw Serenity. by boris

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The first time you saw Serenity.

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Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:19 PM

September 30. my 36th birthday. on my way from Canberra(Australia)to Heatherbrae(4hrs by bus + 3hrs by train)to see my folks. Stopped in Sydney to see Serenity. Bliss! An almost empty theatre coz everyone else was lining the streets to applaud some winning football team. saw movie, left bawling my eyes out...running 2km in less than 15 minutes getting luggage out of storage, charging thru train station, nearly missing train, still crying on the train coz I hadn't had time to process. old lady on train asks me if I'm ok...I say I'm upset coz a friend died..

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Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:22 PM

BROWNCOAT2007

*sniffles* truely a great friend and pilot passed during that movie... don't that sound strange? What other movie could make you feel as if a close friend had died when one of the characters died??

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Friday, September 21, 2007 5:12 PM

BORIS

Yeah,sad about Wash and Book both (and the little "dirt nap" kid, I get crushed when kids die in any context).I think I was crying for Zoe too. even though you know it's just fiction you are so invested in the story and the characters, it feels real. Their world, barren and scary as it is would be my ideal.

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Friday, September 21, 2007 6:47 PM

FIREFLYPASSENGER

*wipes tears*

It still hurts. After watching it over and over and over again it never gets easier. Not sure how Joss makes it stay so fresh.

I saw Serenity at the first test screening. It truly felt like I was attacked. It was painful. After waiting for so long to see this movie. I remember knowing Joss would do something to upset me because that is how Joss works. It was powerful. Just like a friend dying.

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Friday, September 21, 2007 6:53 PM

MYCROFT2

The first time I saw it was at one of the pre-screenings. I didn't really see the last part of the movie as I just couldn't process Wash's death. I was in a daze for the next few hours.

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Friday, September 21, 2007 7:02 PM

KINROEDARKSTONE

*sniff*

First saw Serenity with friends at home. at the end, I felt happy that some of the BDH made it, but also had a hollow feeling also like a part of me was taken away. My poor eccentric Wash! *ahem* Just hurts to remember.

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Friday, September 21, 2007 9:10 PM

BORIS

so glad it was a global grief, and not just me...ironically second time I saw it with some friends who had previously scoffed at my Firefly thing. they started watching it coz they wanted to have that connection with the characters, and understand the grief. they also liked the language and the humour

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Friday, September 21, 2007 10:55 PM

MAXH

Today was the first time I saw Serenity. I knew that Joss Whedon isn't scared to kill main characters to have a reaction from the audience after watching the last episodes of Buffy and Angel but I must admit that I got shocked when Wash died. I cried when Book died... like some of you said, it was like losing an old friend, it had a great emotional impact. But, Wash death was so violent and fast, it reminds me of the death of a character in the last episode of Buffy (I don't want to spoil anything). They talk about it a little and then go back to their business. The others should have cried a little, show that it had an impact. It was my favorite character in the series. Without the death of Wash, I found the movie excellent, true to the series.

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Friday, September 21, 2007 11:53 PM

DARKFLY

1st time I saw Serenity was in the US when I went there for a holiday and saw it before I would have been if I were in the UK since I went on holiday the same week Serenity was released in the UK.

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Saturday, September 22, 2007 6:14 AM

FREELANCERTEX

First saw it with my dad at the theater the weekend after it came out (first weekends for movies are MURDER cuz the theater's so packed), we laughed, we cried, well, I cried, at Wash's death :'(. But it was very refreshing and very all out awesome. I remember it as being one of the best movies I'd seen in a long while.

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Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:35 AM

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The first time I saw Serenity, I had a meltdown.

Creatively, Joss made the movie he wanted to make, and he took the story to the point it would have been by Season 3. Serenity is a beautifully crafted and performed film... but it is not the movie that was going to give us the best chance of launching the "franchise". From a guerilla marketer's point of view, I knew we were in trouble.

When it was first announced that the movie would be made, I remember thinking, "Oh please don't kill any of the crew in the first movie. Let's have a movie that all the fans can celebrate, then reach out and build a wider audience. Then, if'n you want to go killin' folk... do it in the second movie... the one Tim is going to direct. After all, that's sorta his thing."

Again, this is from the point of guerilla marketer's point of view, but also as a fan who, like us all, went through so much grief over the loss of Firefly. I'd had my fill of grief and loss. We had our crew and ship back. Spiritually, I wanted to see everyone make it, we were reclaiming our 'Verse. There are so many more stories to tell, and we didn't get the time we should have with our crew... all of them.

Oh well. The Good Fight continues...

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Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:08 AM

ORPHEUS

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Originally posted by BrownCoat2007:
What other movie could make you feel as if a close friend had died when one of the characters died??

Shaun of the Dead. When certain characters died in that movie, it really hurt. The final one most of all. But I digress.

I first saw Serenity at the NCBDMPP (North Carolina Big Damn Movie Premiere Party) as a relative newcomer (saw the series, enjoyed it but wasn't hooked). What hooked me was seeing Serenity in a theater full of Browncoats. The vibe from the crowd was one immense joy and excitement. And Wash's death was one of the most remarkable things I'd ever seen in a theater. The entire audience was shocked and dumbfounded. Some may not have liked it, but all accepted it. I've yet to see a movie with that kind of crowd response.

Now, well... Here I am.

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Saturday, September 22, 2007 5:35 PM

BORIS

my last day of a longish career in after school care/vacation care...older kids and some coworkers crying , younger kids and some coworkers moping or getting mad at me for no good reason. (I think I may have shed some tears when no one was looking). I bought the Serenity DVD which came out that day, to cheer myself up, and went straight to the bloopers. laughed sooo hard I bit my tongue pretty badly. that whole "dirt nap with baby Jesus" routine is one of the funniest things I have ever seen.

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Saturday, September 22, 2007 5:40 PM

BORIS

I want more...maybe I'll get rich and fund a sequel.

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Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:47 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA

Saw it openeing day with friends. Was psyched, wearing a Serenity print T shirt I made, saw a few browncoats smattered around. Went in, was enjoying the movie (even if some things like character and story line seemed off) then Wash's end came and the rest of the movie was a blur. I watched the whole of it but I just kept muttering "He killed Wash.... He killed Wash...." My friend turned and said it's ok but....

Left the theater numb and angry and ripped into the whole Wash episode..... I am still bitter and still really am not sure if I want another movie after that. Book was bad enough (I wanted to see more of him as well and his death seemed so anti-climatic and sad) but Wash was too much.

Still bitter about it. Always will be I guesse. If you kill anyone off next movie Joss, get rid of Simon, K? Then I can enjoy the rest of the movie.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:16 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by boris:
I think I was crying for Zoe too..... it feels real.

When Capt'n was asking how 'she' is, and Zoe replied "she's tore up plenty, but she'll fly true ", his double meaning was clear to everyone in the theatre.

I got to see the 2nd prescreening, back in May of '05, and I was hoping that what I saw was just one possible ending of several. I was thinking " Naww..that's not how it goes, no way would Joss really let THAT happen. He's just messin' w/ our minds....seeing what kind of reaction he'd get. That won't make the final cut....."

Damn.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:33 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Joss killed off Wash just 'cause he could. It was not necessary to the story at all, just a frivolous death that somehow worked for Joss. I also think it was his way of sending a message to Browncoats...that this movie is it...no more. Without Wash I just can't think of more Firefly.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:49 AM

GRIZWALD

Quote:
Originally posted by Orpheus:
Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat2007:
What other movie could make you feel as if a close friend had died when one of the characters died??

Shaun of the Dead.

*tries hard to remember what nice people died in Shaun of the Dead*

*only remembers creepy male roommate getting torn to pieces*

*rushes off to watch Shaun instead of working this morning*

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:18 AM

ORPHEUS

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only remembers creepy male roommate getting torn to pieces*

I do hope you don't mean Ed.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:53 AM

GRIZWALD

Quote:
Originally posted by Orpheus:
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Originally posted by Grizwald:*
only remembers creepy male roommate getting torn to pieces*

I do hope you don't mean Ed.

Bite your tongue. Ed ain't creepy.

I was thinking of David, actually.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:55 AM

ORPHEUS

Agreed.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:51 AM

JENDRICK

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Joss killed off Wash just 'cause he could. It was not necessary to the story at all, just a frivolous death that somehow worked for Joss. I also think it was his way of sending a message to Browncoats...that this movie is it...no more. Without Wash I just can't think of more Firefly.

I dunno, in the end firefly/serenity is more about River than anything. Killing off Wash was a way of opening up the pilot spot of the ship to the kid.. sure at the end Mal is at the helm, but River has "some aptitude" with the controls..

think about it a sec... She can kill more reavers with a blade than Jayne, Zoey, Kaylee and the doc could hunkered down with automatic weapons, she can brush her fingers over a key panel and bring up long gone worlds, she can beat up Jayne (sorta, i still won't cave to that)in the middle of taking out a bar full of thugs, she's psychic... i mean, is there anything she CAN'T do amazingly? well, she hasn't flown anything yet (gasp) let's kill of wash and put her in the cockpit.

Joss has a way of writing and that's toward the females... he has said that he shows the females strengths and shows the men's faults, and if you watch the show/movie with that in mind it totally comes through.. I mean, there's nothing wrong with it at all, i'm just saying that's how he does it... If he was going to kill someone from the crew, it wouldn't be one of the females, It couldn't be Mal or Jayne because they're obviously fan favorites, and the Doc would be too much considering that he was more of a main character than Wash was in the show and the movie...

"I'm just the pilot".. Wash's character really doesn't go much farther than that. at one point he mentioned he was from a world that was polluted and another time he said he was once "laconic" in flight school... aside from being married to Zoey that's about all there was for him, aside from wisecracks (which were awesome!). I think Alan Tudyk did just as much as Joss did for the character in bringing it out...

Just my four paragraph response to your sentance... yeah... I'm dumb, lol.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:02 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat2007:
*sniffles* truely a great friend and pilot passed during that movie... don't that sound strange? What other movie could make you feel as if a close friend had died when one of the characters died??

I don't want to give anything away...but the title of the sequal is Serenity 2 The Search for Wash.

H

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:06 PM

CHOCOBOJOE

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat2007:
*sniffles* truely a great friend and pilot passed during that movie... don't that sound strange? What other movie could make you feel as if a close friend had died when one of the characters died??

I don't want to give anything away...but the title of the sequal is Serenity 2 The Search for Wash.

H

Oh don't do that to me! I'd be apt to believe it!

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:08 PM

CHOCOBOJOE

Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:
The first time I saw Serenity, I had a meltdown.

Creatively, Joss made the movie he wanted to make, and he took the story to the point it would have been by Season 3. Serenity is a beautifully crafted and performed film... but it is not the movie that was going to give us the best chance of launching the "franchise". From a guerilla marketer's point of view, I knew we were in trouble.

When it was first announced that the movie would be made, I remember thinking, "Oh please don't kill any of the crew in the first movie. Let's have a movie that all the fans can celebrate, then reach out and build a wider audience. Then, if'n you want to go killin' folk... do it in the second movie... the one Tim is going to direct. After all, that's sorta his thing."

Again, this is from the point of guerilla marketer's point of view, but also as a fan who, like us all, went through so much grief over the loss of Firefly. I'd had my fill of grief and loss. We had our crew and ship back. Spiritually, I wanted to see everyone make it, we were reclaiming our 'Verse. There are so many more stories to tell, and we didn't get the time we should have with our crew... all of them.

Oh well. The Good Fight continues...

I agree entirely! I felt terrible after the movie because it seemed as though everything that could have been... was just stamped out... like Wash's life... :'(

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:58 PM

MRBEN

I think Joss has been fairly clear that the death of Wash was to provide that "OMG - they're all going to die" feeling in the viewers. And it worked....

I find it really sad that everyone talks about the death of Wash, and just seems to skim over the death of Book. Was he not as major a character?

Personally, I think Wash will live on through his child, because we all know Zoe is pregnant..... ;)

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:12 PM

11THHOUR

Wash was one of those characters who was already great, but who had the potential to be taken into interesting directions. His upbeat, laid back, wise cracking style could have been tempered by the dangerous existence of life in the Black. He might have been taken into some interesting dark areas, and gone through changes, as the character of Wesley did.

I loved the chemistry between Mal and Wash, and how each had a powerful, but different, relationship with Zoe. It made for wonderful exchanges, and also gave Zoe some interesting character studies. On a side note, we know that Nathan and Alan are friends who enjoy hanging out with each other in real life, so that added a wonderful extra dimension. It's exceptionally rare for such an amazing combination to occur, it was well worth continuing and exploring further. I hated like hell to see Wash killed just so the Reaver battle would be scarier. What a waste.

As for Book, I hate like hell he was killed too. Talk about untapped potential! Book had a rich back story and it would have been fascinating to see him put into situations where his past caught up with him and all kinds of surprises appeared. But nooooo... Book was killed to explain why Mal would be angry enough to dress Serenity up as a Reaver ship and fly to Miranda. Well, that was rather a contrived way to burn up a great character.

Many fans had trouble recommending the movie because of the grief and disappointment they felt over the deaths of these beloved characters. Many also lost hope for continuing the 'Verse because of those deaths. It's a shame, because we needed everyone to get behind the movie full strength to give it the best chance possible for success.. One wonders if it was worth killing them for the purposes of shock value.

Just my opinion.

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Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:19 PM

BRINGITBACK

First time I saw the movie was on DVD at home.

I had no idea what Firefly was.

How I wish I could go back and watch the series first. I was in love instantly but I didnt have that deep hurting feeling that many of you had. Obviously watching Serenity after the series again was a better experience but the shock value was gone.

As far as Wash goes... I've said this before, if firefly/Serenity returned the opening scene would be Wash waking up in an Alliance/Blue Sun interrogation room.

I do agree that Joss should not have killed anyone, especially not one of the most lovable characters that would have people coming back to the franchise..but this is Joss Whedon, he's going to kill someone and I was just happy it wasnt Mal.

"Or...we could talk some more."

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Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:56 AM

GEMINI37

I too saw it on DVD at home. I had only seen the first 2 television episodes and for what ever reason it did not strike a chord with me. So we turned on the surround sound system and pressed play...we watched and had the same reactions that any browncoat worth there salt would. When it was over we knew that this was something special.

Several months went by and my dad saw Firefly season one at Barns & Nobels for $20.00 USD ! He brought it home and by the end of the first disc we were hooked. We were sooo tired by the time disc four was finished and we had the sudden realization that was it...no more episodes and we were actually heart-sick at the very idea.

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