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Sworn To Protect Dobson?
Monday, October 8, 2007 1:42 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Monday, October 8, 2007 2:41 AM
PENGUIN
Monday, October 8, 2007 3:33 AM
SHUKES
Monday, October 8, 2007 3:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Shukes: The line is "i watched the Captain shoot the man i swore to protect" i think it was more from his identity of a shepard rather than his past identity.
Monday, October 8, 2007 3:49 AM
MRBEN
Monday, October 8, 2007 4:02 AM
SHINYSEVEN2
Monday, October 8, 2007 7:03 AM
MUGGI
Monday, October 8, 2007 8:11 AM
NEWBROWNCOAT
Monday, October 8, 2007 8:28 AM
LWAVES
Monday, October 8, 2007 8:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by lwaves: I think the line where he says that he swore to protect Dobson would apply to anyone, and he wouldn't want to let anyone die whilst he was around.
Monday, October 8, 2007 9:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:Originally posted by lwaves: I think the line where he says that he swore to protect Dobson would apply to anyone, and he wouldn't want to let anyone die whilst he was around. Many here agree with you on this....but what about in War Stories or Heart of Gold?.....Book was right there witnessing the BDH's killing people. Even though Book didn't kill anyone, there were people getting killed around him. I still gotta go with the fact that Dobson was Alliance, and Book was "sworn" to protect him...meaning Book "once" was Alliance.
Monday, October 8, 2007 11:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by NewBrownCoat: Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:Originally posted by lwaves: I think the line where he says that he swore to protect Dobson would apply to anyone, and he wouldn't want to let anyone die whilst he was around. Many here agree with you on this....but what about in War Stories or Heart of Gold?.....Book was right there witnessing the BDH's killing people. Even though Book didn't kill anyone, there were people getting killed around him. I still gotta go with the fact that Dobson was Alliance, and Book was "sworn" to protect him...meaning Book "once" was Alliance. Could be that the answer to his self-questioning "and I'm not even sure if I think he was wrong" was enough to modify the code he had about allowing killing to go on in his presence. Nothing like a good counter example to make you re-evaluate things. Book was re-evaluating his ideals at the end of Serenity - the pilot - when talking with Inara. I would imagine that getting knocked unconscious by Dobson (the person he swore to protect and was trying to do so) would be good reason to re-evaluate he ideals and how they apply in the black.
Monday, October 8, 2007 11:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by lwaves: Quote:Originally posted by NewBrownCoat: Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:Originally posted by lwaves: I think the line where he says that he swore to protect Dobson would apply to anyone, and he wouldn't want to let anyone die whilst he was around. Many here agree with you on this....but what about in War Stories or Heart of Gold?.....Book was right there witnessing the BDH's killing people. Even though Book didn't kill anyone, there were people getting killed around him. I still gotta go with the fact that Dobson was Alliance, and Book was "sworn" to protect him...meaning Book "once" was Alliance. Could be that the answer to his self-questioning "and I'm not even sure if I think he was wrong" was enough to modify the code he had about allowing killing to go on in his presence. Nothing like a good counter example to make you re-evaluate things. Book was re-evaluating his ideals at the end of Serenity - the pilot - when talking with Inara. I would imagine that getting knocked unconscious by Dobson (the person he swore to protect and was trying to do so) would be good reason to re-evaluate he ideals and how they apply in the black. I'd actually completely forgotten about Book being knocked out by Dobson - and he was trying to help him. I like the 're-evaluating his code' idea. He realised that he needed to adapt to 'survive'. You'd only protect someone until they started hurting you. Book must have thought something like if he hurt someone trying to help him, what would he do to the others?? I still think Book is/was Alliance in some form. I just can't see them having any type of code or law to protect each other. Protecting the Alliance as an entity is fair enough, but not each other. I just don't see them like the Marines, Commandos, SAS or other tight-knit military units. "I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."
Monday, October 8, 2007 6:28 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Tuesday, October 9, 2007 1:33 AM
ASARIAN
Tuesday, October 9, 2007 4:13 AM
CLEMENTINE
Tuesday, October 9, 2007 12:32 PM
Tuesday, October 9, 2007 2:11 PM
THEREALME
Tuesday, October 9, 2007 4:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by lwaves: I thought I'd try and look at this from another direction and take my lead off a point made by Muggi in an earlier post - that using the word 'sworn' was a poor choice. Now I'm not saying that Joss made a mistake in it, maybe there was something planned that never got written in, and that word just stayed there.
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