Vote for Firefly (& Break a record Friday?)! VIII by FlatTop

hubba, hubba

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Friday, October 12, 2007 1:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sister:
hubba, hubba

Zoot zoot.

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

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Friday, October 12, 2007 1:25 PM

1st time today that I've gotten through to this board. Been votin though. Vump from work...

Vote for Firefly at http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

"The lion and the calf shall lie down together but the calf won't get much sleep." Woody Allen

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Friday, October 12, 2007 1:28 PM

"RIGHT - stop that, it's silly!
let's have some order here shall we?
Right then - proceed with the VUMPing."

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Friday, October 12, 2007 1:37 PM

LAURELTON

Voting and voting...

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Friday, October 12, 2007 2:17 PM

AYCEOFSPADES

vumptastic

'You can't take the sky from me'

Please click Pink Ribbon on Flyvote.

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Friday, October 12, 2007 2:37 PM

V - for VUMP

hey bubba - you stay the hell away from my parking space y'hear!

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Friday, October 12, 2007 2:59 PM

Vump from work...

Vote for Firefly at http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

"The lion and the calf shall lie down together but the calf won't get much sleep." Woody Allen

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Friday, October 12, 2007 5:43 PM

'nother vump from work...

Vote for Firefly at http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

"The lion and the calf shall lie down together but the calf won't get much sleep." Woody Allen

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Friday, October 12, 2007 7:44 PM

That's a wrap. 20 votes. I'll be in my VUMP!

'Nighters!

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

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Friday, October 12, 2007 8:11 PM

still votin'!

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Friday, October 12, 2007 8:18 PM

Vump from work...

Vote for Firefly at http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

"The lion and the calf shall lie down together but the calf won't get much sleep." Woody Allen

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Friday, October 12, 2007 9:31 PM

old heroes never die...
they just hang out together by the beach hut VUMPing!

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Friday, October 12, 2007 11:01 PM

"damn i love my ship" nathan fillion

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Friday, October 12, 2007 11:55 PM

vump! bote!
vump! BOTE!
VUMP!! BOTE!
VUMP goddammit! would it kill ya to vump already?
kinda up to you now aint it!

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:36 AM

VUMP and back again!

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:54 AM

It appears our favorite voting site is down, and will stay down until FlatRich decides how to deal with some cheating.

Please read this for details.
http://groups.google.com/group/tv_vote/browse_frm/thread/590c087c882dd
534#

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:18 AM

FEDEXXX

Mmm yeah. Sorry about that... I'm n5-kopele there, you can read my answers. I don't think the program ever succeeded.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:31 AM

MRBEN

Quote:
Originally posted by fedexxx:
Mmm yeah. Sorry about that... I'm n5-kopele there, you can read my answers. I don't think the program ever succeeded.

I hope you're right, as it would appear from the lexxfans site that the program was voting for firefly too.

mrben

"Carpe Aptenodytes"
http://www.jedimoose.org

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:41 AM

good morning...hope everything's straightened out vump.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:52 AM

fedexxx: For what it's worth, I'm happy to accept your apology.
Part of the problem Rich has to deal with is it sounds like if it did work, it would have gotten used. My guess is he's trying to decide amongst:
1) Discontinue the poll.
2) Put in checks for autovoters (hard to tell a slightly randomizing autovoter from someone willing to pull all nighters like Ray).
3) Put in a 'check for human behind key board'
4) Disregard it as a false alert.
5) Something clever I can't conceive of.

The problem with 4) is that the reality is there's nothing to stop someone 'determined and competent' from writing an autovoter. I'm sure Flyvote could tweak Flyvote to be an autovoter. The difference is Flyvote (the poster) was smart enough to understand all the warnings on Rich's site that autovoters would not be tolerated.

I don't think that 2) can be done effectively.

My guess is he will go with 1) or 3); I'm hoping 3). Or perhaps he'll decide that the autovoter threat has not materialized and he'll be comfortable with going back to the status quo.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 2:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mrben:
Quote:
Originally posted by fedexxx:
Mmm yeah. Sorry about that... I'm n5-kopele there, you can read my answers. I don't think the program ever succeeded.

I hope you're right, as it would appear from the lexxfans site that the program was voting for firefly too.

mrben

"Carpe Aptenodytes"
http://www.jedimoose.org]

Gorram right!

The first reported attempted use:

http://www.lexxfans.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1994

Was March 20 of this year. That was months before I even heard of TV Vote... And, it was also 206 voting days ago. If you multiply that by 24 hours, that's a potential 4,944 illegitimate votes... For ONE user. If there were say, three users of this form of digital voting steroids, that's a potential 14,832 votes that a number of shows could lose: Lexx, Firefly, Roswell... And, intermittently, Charmed, X-Files, and BSG, as well.

It also throws into question such particulars as our recent voting triumph; we might still have gotten by if, for example, 72 of our votes each day for the past 74 were invalid, but, I dunno for sure.

So, yeah, best to hope that it never worked. I also hope Rich is able to extract data on spurious 24 hour voting streaks (the kind for which no sleep was lost) without great difficulty, hopefully speeding up the process of correcting this.

It has been said, "Cheaters never prosper."

Well, in something like TV Vote, what's even the point? Even if no one ever catches you (and, given the safeguards in place, they eventually will), what possible satisfaction can be gained from it?

Oog.

-Raycheetah =-[.]-=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 2:04 AM

AYCEOFSPADES

He'll probably do something like - when you vote you have enter in a code/word - you know, the kind the have to stop spammers and auto sign-ups

It's a shame, esp if it affects us and all the hard we did. I doubt it should cus we've been over 1k way before this autovoter came in and our votes haven't seen a sudden rise. That program was never posted on any firefly site so hopefully it shouldn't affect us.

'You can't take the sky from me'

Please click Pink Ribbon on Flyvote.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:54 AM

Ermmm... Bump?

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
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Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:56 AM

FEDEXXX

I already posted on the google group, but I wanted to write to you specially. If this is real final and the poll gets closed because of us - I have no words to say how sorry I am. However we should look optimistic at it - Firefly is first and will remain in the history as number one on this site and also as the most incredible fanbase, which had 75 consecutive days of 1000+ votes. It's not so bad for Lexx either, because we're still in the top 10. I'm only sorry for DS, who will be cut off from their chance of getting in the top 40 and for BSG, who wouldn't be able to get in their rightful top 5 place.
I'm still sure the script didn't work however.
Dunno what I can say.

Most important of all - Lexxians are extremely grateful for the help you gave us. I'll start voting for Firefly on tvtally from now on to show my gratitude. We're forever your friends! You kept us in the top 10 this long! THANK YOU!

Now let's not say goodbye, because I still think this is not over, but if that really is final, we'll forever remember the Firefly fanbase with good, no matter what you may think of us now :)

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:40 AM

ONERING

Quote:
Originally posted by Raycheetah:
Ermmm... Bump?

yeah same here.
use to my morning work vump.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:45 AM

DERANGEDMILK

Quote:
Originally posted by ayceofspades:
He'll probably do something like - when you vote you have enter in a code/word - you know, the kind the have to stop spammers and auto sign-ups

It's a shame, esp if it affects us and all the hard we did. I doubt it should cus we've been over 1k way before this autovoter came in and our votes haven't seen a sudden rise. That program was never posted on any firefly site so hopefully it shouldn't affect us.

I have no doubt that adding a 'are you a human?' jumble-producer would have no repercussions on our vote tallies what-so-ever and I really hope that that is the way Rich proceeds so that we Browncoats can prove we weren't a part of the cheating.

We may "aim to misbehave" but if we ever kill you, "you'll be awake, you'll be facing {us}, and you'll be armed."

So if this is the end, thanks to all you helped run the site, flattop and the other number crunchers here at fff.net, and sister and all the other regular vumpers. At least we came out on top. Hopefully we'll get a chance to smash a few more records though.
-e

"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."

Vote for Firefly at http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:47 AM

FINEHAT

Quote:
Originally posted by fedexxx:
Mmm yeah. Sorry about that... I'm n5-kopele there, you can read my answers. I don't think the program ever succeeded.

I started voting for Lexx based on your request, and this is what you were doing? Dragging us in to your cheat?? We didn't even have a choice. Say what you want, you deserve a kick straight in to the engine.

If your hand touches metal I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:07 AM

wha -? huh? - wha- huh?
confused - Vump???????

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:48 AM

STILLFLYIN2

Just on thinking about this, the cheaters were still only getting about 250 per day. If the cheat was working, they would only need about 10 people to reach that. With just the number of Browncoats that were voting honestly, not counting the other folks that were helping them, that would throw their cheating votes even lower.

Makes me think either cheat program really wasn't working or something is wrong with my thinking.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:51 AM

Oog, Wytchcroft...Did you just walk face-first into this drama?

Here's that link, again:

http://groups.google.com/group/tv_vote/browse_thread/thread/590c087c88
2dd534

See also:

http://www.lexxfans.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1994

For my part, I am very glad to have come here and made so many good Browncoat friends here, just vumpin.' Nicer, still, that I see so many of you on other threads, or, even, on the other boards I frequent, as well.

Let's see what Jos... Er, I mean, what Rich has to say, in the end?

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:31 AM

..poop...now what do I do every hour....(and no, don't go there).

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by StillFlyin2:
Just on thinking about this, the cheaters were still only getting about 250 per day. If the cheat was working, they would only need about 10 people to reach that. With just the number of Browncoats that were voting honestly, not counting the other folks that were helping them, that would throw their cheating votes even lower.

Makes me think either cheat program really wasn't working or something is wrong with my thinking.

Fact of the matter is, Rich can probably look at the last few days logs and get a pretty good idea if the tool was working or not, and perhaps make some reasonable estimates of how many votes to remove.

The tool, as published, either voted solely for Lexx or for a group of shows; hourly voting, especially for continuous 24 hour periods, will be glaring in the raw stats. It also means that the 'upper end' of false votes for other shows is the votes tied to Lexx votes at the same time/ip.

The question is, does Rich want to bother doing the analysis. No idea; it's a nasty bit of work to have foisted upon him. My guess is it will turn out there's only a few folks that ever got the tool to work, and the adjustments will end up being less than 100 votes a day for Lexx and probably less than 50 a day for FF. Here's hoping that after any analysis that Rich decides the false voting was marginal and he either slaps a relatively minor deduction to the shows that benefited from it; and then clamps down on future auto voting. But that's just me thinking out loud.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:16 AM

Oog. Now, we have a Bonanzai who is taking this opportunity to lay accusations of malfeasance at Firefly's feet:

"I have to say it concerned me that all of a sudden Firefly voters started to get a tremendous increase in the number of votes every day, from about February/March which just didn`t ring true somehow. In comparison Bonanza fans everywhere were
encouraged and constantly reminded to vote legitimately in the various show forums as we got closer to 250,000 votes, to get Bonanza into the Hall of Fame. Bonanza, WE all know got into the Hall of Fame legitimately, we did not need to cheat to get there and to this day the committed voters are still voting - legitimately. "

http://groups.google.com/group/tv_vote/browse_thread/thread/590c087c88
2dd534/c0374f596bbb9ebf

...As if, while Lexx sometimes couldn't break 250 votes/day, with their own program, propagated on their own, rather obscure site, to their own people, Browncoats of course took it and ran with it, basing our tremendous success on it thereafter.

I really hate that this whole... relationship... with Lexx has placed us under suspicion, and, invalidates our achievements before the rest of the TV Vote community.

This is turning into a gorram nightmare. I'm actually beginning to wonder if some Firefly votes /might/ have been illegitimate. The whole notion sickens me.

-Raycheetah =-[.]-=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:18 AM

http://library.thinkquest.org/3890/SOLOLEIA.JPG
"Yeah? well watch this!"

V - U U - U u u m - p...

"Watch what?"
"It's not my fault"

"Sir, Sir - i might mention - i noticed the...

or to put it another way:

"Frack!"

but all in all...
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/4a/250px-MalReyn
oldsFirefly.JPG
"you hear us arguing?"
"No..."
"Trap."

probably describes the situation best!:)

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:35 AM

SHAMELESS

Ta ma de.

Pathetic. Not only is it cheating, and being proud of it, and "HAHA We should down the site go us dohoho", but it's also a gorram tv vote site! If you're going to cheat... can't even be about something worthwhile, can it? Thanks for dragging us into this, LEXX voters. Thanks a whole bunch. Real shiny of you.

But Fedexx, thanks for the apology. I don't like your view on it, but you seem to be sincere in the regret on how our fanbase's honor is being questioned.

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RPG launcher bought in third world country illegally - $10
Landmines - $50 per
Attack/track dogs bred 1st class - $250-500 per
Highpowered assault rifles - $600 per
The look on your face when I show up on your doorstep with a bigfoot - ... Priceless

"You gotta love that the first pirated HD DVD is the one about space pirates who broadcast a video that the government wants to keep secret.

Can't stop the signal."
-reavers_ate_my_dvd

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:55 AM

ELLEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Raycheetah:
Oog. Now, we have a Bonanzai who is taking this opportunity to lay accusations of malfeasance at Firefly's feet:
... etc...

-Raycheetah =-[.]-=

Sorry about that - I'm in on most of the Bonanza sites, and I just want to let you know this is not a commonly held opinion.

- Ellen

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:24 AM

Thanks for the feed back Ellen. I know most of the bonanza crew is pretty reasonable.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:46 AM

Looks like the auto-vote beast was DOA. No pull back on Firefly votes, and the site will likely be back in operation in a week or so:

http://groups.google.com/group/tv_vote/browse_frm/thread/6576dfc72ad8e
802/d37fc58550f557a6#d37fc58550f557a6

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:24 PM

....oh my goodness!! Back in One WEEK!!! I will be searching for things to do each hour until the return. Thank you RichLaBonte for not pulling the plug entirely!

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sister:
....oh my goodness!! Back in One WEEK!!! I will be searching for things to do each hour until the return.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:29 PM

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:30 PM

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:57 PM

AYCEOFSPADES

Glad the site hasn't been shut for good. On the down side we can't vump or bote anymore, only bump

On the plus side this gives a well deserved break to our hard working statisticians. So enjoy the quiet while you can, normal service will resume shortly (hopefully).

'You can't take the sky from me'

Please click Pink Ribbon on Flyvote.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 2:31 PM

FLATTOP

Let's say our votes get zeroed out, along with Lexx & whoever else is determined to have been involved.

It'll take about 5.5 years

for us to retake first place if we keep our daily average to 1,000 votes and the Xenites don't pick up more than an extra hundred or so per day.
I know the Bonanzai are outrunning the Xenites atm, but at current rates, it's still just an anomoly. Xena is the show to catch.

Goal 1. Back into the Top40. Call it 50k to buy in (haven't run the numbers, but that'll be close). We can hit that in as many days, if we drop our nominations for whoever we've been boosting. We can go back to helping our 'regular' nominations after we're back on the board.

Make for one hellofa set of graphs.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 2:35 PM

Well, for the restless, there's always HeyNielsen!:

http://www.heynielsen.com/view/firefly/

(Firefly, Serenity, and, each of our BDHs has a section; add opinions, or rate existing ones)

and, Rankopedia:

http://www.rankopedia.com/ZoneID=3/32435/Mostactiverankings.htm

(Be sure to click on the Arts and Entertainment link on the left side, and, focus on Movies and TV; vote on any poll once per day)

And, good news, indeed, that the original cheat apparently fizzled before any real harm was done, except to Lexx. They'll get sacked for some points from the rotating IP guy, and, things should go back to normal.

Let's just make sure we come out of the gate, when TV Vote reactivates, swinging hard! We have a streak to maintain!

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:48 PM

FREELANCERTEX

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw i can't vote now. or bote, or vump, or anything :-\ what shall i do until the site comes back?

Why'd it go down anyway?

__________________________
Have you ever wondered why in a dream you can touch a falling sky?
Or fly to the heavens that watch over you?

"I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar."

A man is least himself when he speaks in his own person. Give him a mask and he will show you his true self.

You can't take the sky from me...

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw i can't vote now. or bote, or vump, or anything :-\ what shall i do until the site comes back?

Why'd it go down anyway?

Scroll up a few, flt... Lexx was caught with old plans for a vote-bot. Said vote bot came as a Lexx-only program, or, a Lexx-plus-vote-traders-bloc option, which, unfortunately, included Firefly.

The morale of this story is: If you're gonna cheat, it's polite to ask other folks if they want to be involved or not.

So, Rich has shut the page down for a week, to retool some stuff, then, we're back up and running. We can still come here, reminisce about the VUMP old days...

Oh, and, discuss all the nifty polls on Rankopedia:

http://www.rankopedia.com/ZoneID=3/32435/Mostactiverankings.htm

and HeyNielsen!:

http://www.heynielsen.com/view/firefly/

Or, just get some gorram sleep.

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:15 PM

FREELANCERTEX

oooh......who's Lexx? O.o

That sucks.

lol, I'm up for the sleep bit, long-ass day. Not an eerie-ass day, just a long-ass day.

__________________________
Have you ever wondered why in a dream you can touch a falling sky?
Or fly to the heavens that watch over you?

"I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar."

A man is least himself when he speaks in his own person. Give him a mask and he will show you his true self.

You can't take the sky from me...

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:00 PM