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Originally posted by Darkfly:
I agree with all of the posts so far, but I'm pretty sure Joss Whedon once said somewhere that basically the whole crew is Mal just different parts of him as people have previously stated but I can't remember where I Joss say it.

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Yes he did, in the very first episode Serenity. One of the best commentary tracks between him and Nathan. Nathan, as I recall, brings that up. When Kaylee's in the infirmary talking to Mal after Simon patched her up.

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Originally posted by Josephus:
As I noted, Joss may have unconsciously created Mal as an alter ego but given that he seems so self aware (evidenced by his commentary in "Objects In Space")

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Originally posted by superunknown:
I think Joss said that every character represents something Mal has lost following the battle of Serenity Valley:

- Wash is his sense of humour
- Kaylee is his innocence
- Book is his faith
- Zoe is his trust
- Jayne is his selfishness
- Simon is his compassion

I'm just not sure what Inara and Rivrer represent. I suppose it could be argued that Inara is his heart or his faith in others, but I don't know what River is.

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Originally posted by Josephus:
"he" refers to the subject of the sentence, which is Joss. Also, the sentence refers to the person making the commentary in "Objects In Space", which again was Joss.

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Originally posted by MerryK:



And Simon? Surprisingly, when you look at it point by point, Simon is pretty much Mal raised in a wealthy household. Both of them have strong characters, both of them feel very deeply, both lose their faith in a manner that leaves them bitter, both would (and do) give up their lives figuratively in service of a cause, both of them are extremely loyal to those they consider family, both of them have dry and snarky wit, and both of them are a pretty clueless when it comes to relationships. Yes, Mal is good in combat and is better at thinking on his feet, and Simon beats Mal when it comes to nurturing/sensitivity and anything intellectual...but I think Mal can't help but keep Simon around because he sees a lot of himself in Simon.

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Originally posted by Josephus:
Also, I can't disagree with anything you said but it still doesn't discount the possibility that Joss has imbued Mal with some of himself.

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Originally posted by MerryK:
I think Mal sees his girls as comrades and people to take care of, while I think he sees the men as crew and subordinates.

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I also have a hard time making the connections between the women and Mal, though certainly certain scenes make parallels.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
[Even as I shudder, I have to admit that you have a point. I shudder because the gender parity of Joss's shows are part of why I love them so, and I hate to see any hard line dividing male and female characters. And here's where I do see Joss in Mal Josephus - I've generally thought Mal as someone to judge a person based on the person, and not on the indoor/outdoor plumbing issue.

But now that you point it out, MerryK, I must admit that Mal's relationships with Jayne, Book, Simon, and Wash all tend toward adversarial, while Zoe is a comrade/friend, and Kaylee and River are like daughters/little sisters. Inara I think is actually more similar to the men on the crew in that she's usually a challenge and an argument to Mal.

But then, I think Mal's attitude towards the men aren't due to the fact that they're men, but that they're a mercenary, a preacher, a rich boy, and married to Zoe. And I do think all this would have changed in time, just like Angel got closer to his group in later seasons.

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
He has a generally positive attitude toward women and a generally negative one toward men, it seems. (Daddy!issues!) Of all the characters on the show, Mal is the one with the most clearly differing approaches to each gender, in fact. Even Jayne treats them more equally.

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Originally posted by MerryK:
I don't see Kaylee in need of protection, and I don't think anyone else on Firefly does...Jaynestown

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Originally posted by MerryK:
There's rarely any need for Mal to be protective of Kaylee, and I haven't seen any time where Inara or Zoe needed his help, but he gives it anyway which makes Mal the least feminist of the Firefly men, which is all I was saying.

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
I agree with Mal4prez on this on pretty much every account.

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I think, however, that deep down Mal has also an idealised view of women.

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Rationally, he has the neutral goodwill and acceptance of their equal strength, but emotionally he's a bit more old-fashioned.

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Originally posted by MerryK:
Kaylee can take care of herself. she doesn't need to be protected from every harsh word. In fact, even when she is hurt, she rarely needs anyone's help to keep her from bursting into tears. She's not weak...no one on Firefly is.

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Originally posted by Platonist:
Joss isn't there yet on is Pop Philosophy Journey.

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