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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:37 AM

HELL'S KITTEN


Quote:

Originally posted by nvghostrider:
What do y'all do when a bit of soul searching is needed?

((thinks))...

Go online, ask everyone's advice, and then follow none of it...?

Whoops, no, that's not it.... =P

I go off-line for a long time, avoid all human contact (as much as possible), and listen to no one but myself. Being capable of being alone is a wonderful thing.

((shrugs))

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:40 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Thats funny because I won't attempt sleep if there is something needing figuring. I hate half sleep. Either I do or I don't.

So Saturday night after some travel and work and mulling things over for the day I went ahead and let loose ending the night in a drunken stupor playing drunk checkers with shot glass checkers. I lost. Darn. But I did have fun. And I had fitful rest. But still the strange dream patterns did not cease. Not sure what they are about but the last week has been interesting to say the least.

Hard physical labor and being in nature seem to help the most, but sometimes a person just needs an outside opinion.

Lost train, thought gone poof.

ADD: Theres the wonderful ninja kitty thorn in my side 'cause she is mostly right. Hugs deary. I did take the offline advice to heart as much as I took the online sort. Moving on to do for myself first and damn it feels good.


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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:23 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:

Go online, ask everyone's advice, and then follow none of it...?


Hmmm I think I actually do that part. I think it's more of an exercise in hoping other people will confirm what I already sorta want to do. It tends to not work out and lead to ignoring.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:23 AM

HELL'S KITTEN


((giggles))
Now, now... I wasn't giving advice.
Merely stating what I do. You did ask. =)
((random eHug))

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:53 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Feelin' better and wanting to share the love with all you wonderful folks.



MOSHMOSHMOSHMOSHMOSH!!!



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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:03 AM

MSB


HUGS HK... you forgot the drinking dew and eating chocolate part

Hmmm well I tend to do my soul searching in short bursts ( I lack patience) usually it's more an epiphany.. I'm weird that way. However, if I wanted to think about something...I'd take a bubble bath.

ah sharing love is so fun!!

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You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:36 AM

KELKHIL


See I just call those Anti-Social Days. When I have just had enough I ignore, avoid and just plain stay away from people for as long as it takes. Normally it is just for one day and I am better.

Kinda hard to do with the my daughter running around now. Normally Laurelin will at least take her out so that I can have a couple hours to myself.

Been a long time since I was able to take a whole day.... man sometimes I really need it too!



Kelkhil

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:39 AM

ZEEK


lol I read MsB's last post and for some reason as I was reading it I thought it was from RIMG. Got to the bubble bath part and was like hmmm...kinda odd. Then I saw the kitty sig and was like oooooohhhh. OK much better mental picture. No offense RIMG.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:12 AM

MSB


ROTFLMAO.... sorry not that Jimi wouldn't look fantastic all wet and.. ok stopping now

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:20 AM

GORRAMGROUPIE


Crap, we're nearing the time that all the shiney people go away, and the other shiney people don't come in for a while, and I'll be all by my lonesome!

And 3 hours of work left.......

Let's have a black celebration
To celebrate the fact
that we've seen the back
of another black day.

I'm not worthy!

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:14 PM

MSB


poke poke.... and I am???


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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:51 PM

GORRAMGROUPIE


One of the shinies I thought had left!

Let's have a black celebration
To celebrate the fact
that we've seen the back
of another black day.

I'm not worthy!

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:01 AM

MSB


HUGS and then of course I left...giggle :)

Morning all... ooh I have a ponder ( and it'll be helpful to the teachers here) What kinds of things did teachers do for you that motivated you to learn or work???

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:26 AM

RUGBUG


Quote:

Originally posted by MSB:

Morning all... ooh I have a ponder ( and it'll be helpful to the teachers here) What kinds of things did teachers do for you that motivated you to learn or work???



This may or may not be helpful, but the teachers that I would work for (and later even bosses I work well with) are the ones I respect on a personal level. It really had little to do with them trying to motivate me or what they actually taught. They are fair in the expectations and in consequences, even-tempered, logical. They also know their stuff but aren't arrogant about it. They genuinely cared about the students.

To illustrate: When I got a job as an executive assistant, I told the boss within a few months of being hired that if he EVER asked me to lie about something, I would be out of there. Or if he ever did the sadly typical 'cheat on your wife' thing. I just can't work with someone I don't respect. Turned out well as he is either a)one fo the good ones or b)is good at hiding any illicit activity.

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:47 AM

MSB


bless your cynical little heart I love b) good at hiding illicit activity



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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:13 AM

ZEEK


It really depended on the teacher. Some had different ways of working. But I agree with RugBug I had respect for all of them. So, that's a common denominator.

One English teacher in grade school got me motivated by being encouraging and actually showing an interest in every student and what they wrote. We were doing a creative writing type of class at the time and when you can tell the teacher actually read your work and took the time to think about it that helps.

One English teacher in high school just treated us like adults and that pretty well did the trick. I mean he had rules and he laid them all on the line with reasoning for them. We were cool with that. He would also take time out to tell us stories and in general was just a cool guy. So, if he didn't have time to cover something and told us to read the rest that night then I'd do it.

Economics teacher in high school started as a motivator through fear. The dude literally acted like a drill sergeant. After setting up the seating chart he assigned the first person in each row the status of general over the people behind them. You didn't speak unless you were spoken to. There were twin brothers in our class named something like farshad and farsheed. He didn't like trying to figure that out. So, he gave them nicknames of tank and gun. Anytime he called on me it would always be "commander zeek how would this graph change if demand suddenly increased?" in a stern voice. But after a while it was clear that he was a good teacher and deep down he cared if we learned or not. So, again he was a good motivator.

My computer science teacher in high school was just cool. He was pretty much an ass but in the real world kinda way. If you asked him a question about how you were supposed to code something he'd simply say, "this is a problem solving class. solve your problem". He'd grade things in the same no nonsense way. We were programming on ancient macs and in one of my programs I had it print out "press enter to continue". However, the macs had "return" keys instead of "enter" keys. So, he took off 2 points cause he couldn't find an "enter" key. It was that kind of brutal grading that made us all strive for absolute perfection in our coding and when we wrote our answers on our tests.

There are more, but those were some of the varying styles that worked for me.

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:32 AM

MSB


Wow very well thought out and well reasoned answer Zeek. I like that you gave examples of different styles. You must have been aces in English.

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:11 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Good morning folks.

Teachers. Hmm. I actually didn't like alot of the teachers I had in high school. I barely remember any farther back than that. As for motivation, one teacher in particular kept me focused most of the time and I was lucky enough to have her for three classes in two years (English I, II, and Creative Writting). Not really sure how she did it. It was as if she recognized potential in all her students and gave everyone and equal shot at the material. I can remember being left behind a time or two but somehow I was alway given some sort of incentive to catch up. Many of the projects and exercizes we did were in groups and I hated the idea of letting them down despite the fact I didn't know them and wasn't friends with them. Thinking back I can see people in that class as equals. No BS High School politics, no popularity contests, no ego trips, just people learning how to better express themselves and how to correct mistakes.

I almost wanted to be a teacher because of the only teacher I respected and actually liked all through school.

Check it out. My brain is actually working. Guess I better follow suit.


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Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:29 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


maths are fun.

mistaking MsB for me is a near-fatal error. She's way cuter than I am.



~jimi
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Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:31 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by MSB:
You must have been aces in English.


It's sorta funny cause I really wasn't early on. I always had a very one track mind. I could either focus on grammar or focus on content. I still do that to some extent. So, I'd either write a paper that read like a shopping list or I'd write something that was interesting but had no commas and poor spelling.

Around 4th gradish they even thought I might be dyslexic. I had to go to the special ed lady for a while then she decided I wasn't special :-(

Anyway around 8th grade was when I hit that good teacher and then the other one was freshman year of high school. So, I built up some steam and everything was good after that.

English was the only subject I straight up 4.0ed in college. Got a minor in it too.

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:27 AM

GORRAMGROUPIE


I had a math teacher who made math fun, and had a great sense of humor, even with snotty, bratty 8th grade girls trying to make trouble. I called her Mom once by accident and she replied Yes, son? She was great. She made it fun, but made sure we understood.
Had an English teacher that was sorta the same way, in high school, she had a very uncommon sense of humor and applied it to teaching. She also encouraged us to really look at what we were reading and make our own opinions of what we were reading. I learned from her that it was ok to loathe Hemingway. She also taught me to appreciate REAL poetry, not the cutesy rhyming poems, but t.s. eliot, Ezra Pound, etc, to see how words could be put together to create something that evoked feelings, and made people think.

On the opposite side, had a geometry teacher that in one semester killed my interest in math and made it into the ugly avoid at all costs emotional burden it has become. I would write the most beautiful proof, logic and art combined, and he would grade it as a 0, not one thing right. Plus he only taught so he could coach football, so he wasn't exactly excited about his job.

Meh. Just give me female teachers with low cut blouses and high slit skirts and I'll go to school no matter what.

Let's have a black celebration
To celebrate the fact
that we've seen the back
of another black day.

I'm not worthy!

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:37 AM

PHOEBEROSETTA


I had a high school anatomy teacher who was also the head football coach. I skipped a year of "earth science" due to grades, so I was in a senior level anatomy class as a lowly freshman. Redheaded geek child in the land of the jocks! I remember dissecting the fetal pig. It was like surgery...my blonde fullback lab partner standing there handing me instruments when I called for them. He did say thank you for the fact that his grade was much higher than it would have been without my help. And yes, I was STILL a hopeless nerd after the class......BLEAH!

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:53 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


First off, I love peanut butter and orange marmalade. Second, school would have gone much better for me if the insignificant kiddie BS could have been kept to a minimum. Third, you did a service to someone and they thanked you for it Phoebe. That didn't make you a hopeless nerd. It made you a good person who covers their corner. You rock. Fourth, I've annoying myself with numbering points to pointless thoughts just to keep from thinking about things better left outside of work.

I get to pay my phone bill today and might b able to scrape enough cashy money for Port of Subs (Number 18, no olives, half tomato...) Things are shaping up.


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Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:39 AM

MSB


teaching is such a joy...long day

though I am so loving all your stories and it really does help to confirm my theory (that a personal relationship with the kids, a sense of humor, and a love of subject are really the best teaching tools)

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:44 AM

ZEPHYR1956


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoebeRosetta:
And yes, I was STILL a hopeless nerd after the class

coming soonish....Mrs used-to-be-Squatch!


yes, but you're MY "hopeless nerd" now, and thats good enough for me.


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Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:03 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Awww. (Feels all warm and fuzzy inside)


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Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:24 AM

MSB


I would feel warm and fuzzy, but I had to chug soda for class ( visual demonstration of the vocabulary word) and now I feel icky

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:57 AM

GORRAMGROUPIE


Jump up and down, take an Alka Seltzer and give out the biggest belch u can!

Let's have a black celebration
To celebrate the fact
that we've seen the back
of another black day.

I'm not worthy!

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:09 AM

ZEEK


OK I'm plum out of motivation to do any work. I'm in the zone for starring at my desk so that it looks like I'm working. "Dear employer, Since your paying for my presence...you think maybe you can just pay me for existence instead and I can just go home? Pretty please with sugar on top?"

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:35 AM

MSB


If that works Zeek... I am so trying it here!!



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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:36 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Well I'm back and had to continue watching the episode of Rurouni Kenshin on a little bitty window in the corner of my screen. I guess that's gonna have to be motivation enough for me.

Well, that and checking in with you wonderful folks.


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Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:14 PM

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE


Hey y'all.

On the ponderable, I guess I'm kind of weird. I had lots of teachers I liked, but none that motivated me. I've always been almost entirely self-motivated, for as long as I can remember. Either I want to do it or I don't, and no amount of encouragement or coaxing from anyone else will change that. My dad and my husband are the only two people who have ever had any sort of sway over me when it comes to motivation, but a large portion of that is just wanting them to be proud of me.

I did have teachers in high school who made a different sort of impact though. The band leader and I had very similar tempers and working with him taught me how to accept when I was wrong, argue fairly when I was right, and get my point across without turning it into a screaming match (all things that have been hugely useful in my marriage to a guy who also has a very similar temper). And I TA'd for the civics teacher my Junior year, and he always treated me like an adult, more so even than his Senior students. Now I work in an industry where everyone is male and 5 to 20 years older than me, and somehow that civics teacher helped me learn how to act like an equal with people who are older and far more experienced than I am.

The biggest impact a teacher had on me, though, was in one 3 minute conversation with my AP Statistics teacher my Junior year. The guy who sat behind me in the class kept making comments about me being a slut, etc. I had dealt with years and years of bullying by that point (serious, serious bullying -- I had a mild form of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from it), so instead of trying to deal with him on my own or trying to ignore it, I decided to ask the teacher to move my seat.

When I did, she asked why, and I reluctantly told her. I have never before or since seen a teacher that angry. She told me that the boy was sexually harassing me, and that school policy was that he would get one warning, and then he would be expelled. This was about a month before the end of the year and he was a Senior, so if he said one more thing to me, he wouldn't graduate. He was quite subdued and sheepish for the rest of the year. She took the time to enforce an existing school policy where literally hundreds of teachers and administrators had turned a blind eye in the past, and it meant the world to me.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:37 PM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
On the ponderable, I guess I'm kind of weird.


hehe "kind of" you crack me up CK.

The sad part is that guy was probably in his own sick way just trying to get your attention. Most of us guys have no idea how to get a girl's attention at that age. Some never learn.

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:58 PM

RUGBUG


Quote:

Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
On the ponderable, I guess I'm kind of weird. I had lots of teachers I liked, but none that motivated me. I've always been almost entirely self-motivated, for as long as I can remember. Either I want to do it or I don't, and no amount of encouragement or coaxing from anyone else will change that.



I don't think that's very weird. I'm actually a lot like that. I do things out of my sense of duty, responsibility or desire, and usually never because someone has asked. It's very frustrating for my bosses because they don't know how to motivate me. Truth is that they can't...I have to want to do it. Luckily for both me and them, I take a huge amount of pride in my work, so I have a hard time of doing things half-assed.

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:26 PM

ZEEK


Of course the california girls stick together. :-P

*hears beach boys song playing in background*

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Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:45 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Funny. Just realized that the girls I've dated are either Cali girls, cowgirls, or both.

Don't know if this is a good sign or a bad one.


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Friday, November 30, 2007 4:53 AM

MSB


HUGS Ck I'm glad that teacher stood up for you and I am very angry that others did not. Every time I watch a tv show where a kid is being bullies I think " where the hell are the teachers?" That sort of thing does not go unpunished or unnoticed in my classroom and it really bothers me that it might in another room...

HUGS NV- I think it's personality and how they treat you that matters..

Ok I so hate having the flu while I am trying to teach. I have the icky death stomach flu ( I'm ok as long as I don't eat or move around too much) hopefully the kids will be good today, but they usually are when I am sick.

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Friday, November 30, 2007 5:57 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Funny. Just realized that the girls I've dated are either Cali girls, cowgirls, or both.


Makes me think of the commercial about how california cows are happy cows or something. And of course the cows are happy if they're being taken care of by california girls.

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Friday, November 30, 2007 7:04 AM

MSB


LOL Zeek... have you seen the one where the cow is being hit by sprinklers and two nearby bulls are drooling over it..

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Friday, November 30, 2007 7:13 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Gah. Mind move funny place and not work right. Need club to get breakfast and coffee drink.


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Friday, November 30, 2007 7:19 AM

ZEPHYR1956


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:

Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Funny. Just realized that the girls I've dated are either Cali girls, cowgirls, or both.


Makes me think of the commercial about how california cows are happy cows or something. And of course the cows are happy if they're being taken care of by california girls.



hand fed hay 3 times a day by beautiful women?


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Friday, November 30, 2007 7:20 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by MSB:
LOL Zeek... have you seen the one where the cow is being hit by sprinklers and two nearby bulls are drooling over it..


lol nope but that does sound hilarious.


OK seriously why does the air conditioning run full blast no matter what the heck the temperature is. Is there any point to requiring space heaters in every office? You're just doubling your energy cost stupid building manager!

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Friday, November 30, 2007 7:29 AM

MSB


HUGS NV:)

Zeph- hand fed by girls in skimpy outfits??


Zeek- it's really funny.

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Friday, November 30, 2007 7:33 AM

ZEEK


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Zeph- hand fed by girls in skimpy outfits??


Now I'm starting to get an idea of why country boys go "cow tipping". They're jealous of the cows and are trying to establish a dominant position in the farming society. Still it sounds like cows have a pretty sweet life.

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Friday, November 30, 2007 7:41 AM

MSB


LOL cow tipping dominance

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Friday, November 30, 2007 8:37 AM

ZEEK


I wouldn't click on this one from work. Except that I did. I'm just a rebel I guess.

http://home.earthlink.net/~dwzysk/ (my own shorter redirecty link)

discuss


Speaking of being a rebel my darn company is making us enter our resume type info into a big database. We get to have a profile description or ourselves. I ended mine with the Office Space quote, "a straight shooter with upper management written all over him". I'm so curious to see if anyone even reads these and if they recognize the quote.

edit: bah it's all stretchy and doesn't like me htmlifying it

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Friday, November 30, 2007 8:40 AM

MSB


LOL hey you're talking to a woman with her own red swingline stapler :)

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Nope, don't use cologne. Women I date think the smell of sawdust is sexy. That's probably why I don't... date many women.- Gibbs
You start talking about capes and tights and I'm out of here. -Ando Masahashi

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Friday, November 30, 2007 8:47 AM

GORRAMGROUPIE


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I wouldn't click on this one from work. Except that I did. I'm just a rebel I guess.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROCK-BAND-PS3-GUITAR-HERO-3-BUNDLE-SANTAS-HELPER-2
-80_W0QQitemZ270190941684QQihZ017QQcategoryZ62054QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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Speaking of being a rebel my darn company is making us enter our resume type info into a big database.



Ever see the Dilbert cartoon where the pointy haired boss tells them all they need current resumes on file, and everyone has one on them?
"should I be concerned you all have current resumes?"

Let's have a black celebration
To celebrate the fact
that we've seen the back
of another black day.

I'm not worthy!

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Friday, November 30, 2007 8:57 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS


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LOL hey you're talking to a woman with her own red swingline stapler :)



I literally write TPS reports for a living. :D



~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics & Transportation Specialist - 76th IAB

There never was an apple, in Adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it.

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Friday, November 30, 2007 8:59 AM

MSB


LOl seriously Jimi?? What exactly is a TPS report anyway???

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