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just sayin'... Most 10 year olds, let alone girls, DON'T stand up for themselves. Gotta say, you're daughter was right to do so. And BTW you must be doing something right to have such a great girl.

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jesus punto, why do you sound so angry in you post.

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De, iam not saying de. i am saying Duh. as for my translations every site in the chinesse translations on this site say Ta ma Duh as F'me blind as well as (I think insults.com)its another link from this site., there are lot of sites dedicated to firefly chinese. here are some, then maybe we can stop this (what sounds like arguing amongst our selves.)and become freinds.

http://fireflychinese.home.att.net

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http://www.insults.net/html/swear/chinese.html
http://ljconstantine.com/fanfic/glossary.htm


the ones i first found i can't find but these should do. the first point i was making was the little girl didn't cuss anybody out. but herself.
even on the show it is used as a " OH my God " way. or "" F' me blind"


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JustDavid,

I have a 3 year old daughter. If she were 10 and stood up to people picking on her with bilingual cussing, I'd be proud as all get out. Moreover, I'm Chinese, and I disagree with other Chinese speakers on this board that "Ta ma de" is all that offensive.

Unlike many people on this board, I don't have a problem with profanity. Contrary to popular misperception, swearing does not cause kids to hang out on street corners smoking, anymore than listening to heavy metal causes kids to engage in school shootings.

Some parents object to swearing. Some parents have no problems with it. I fully support whatever parental guidelines parents choose to set for their own children. But no one has the right to impose their own values on other people's children, on the presumption that their own values are superior and will improve societal health. That's just bullshit.

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So, by that. You might mean that - if your next door neighbor does various nefarious acts and teaches their young'uns to steal, maim, hurt, kill. It's alright? You fully support how they are raising their kids and the type of parental guidelines that they choose to set for their own children? You very well can choose to do that - just know that those very kids:

1. live right next door - direct and very immediate repercussions for you and your family.
2. goes to the same school with your kids - let's hope your kids are completely impervious to peer pressure and peer learning.

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I think that's a lot wrong in this society. Something is going on that clearly with have future repercussions - you should speak up.

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It's certainly not imposing or an imposition to offer advice, tidbits, aid, and/or suggestions.

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We all have to do our part to help. If it's superior, it's superior. If it's better, it's better. If it's good advice, take it. If it isn't, don't. One does *not* have to slander another's advice. It only shows how closed minded one is. That sort of attitude prevents one from learning and I certainly hope that it isn't being passed on to kids.

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And if you can offer solid and valid scientific proof that:

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Then Maybe people should worry about more important problems. Such as, the dumping down of school curriculum, the worsening of the "me attitude", crimes becoming more violent, in fact society becoming more violent and disconnected (socially) etc. Swearing is hardly one of these top issues and is most likely a side effect of them.

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We all have to do our part to help. If it's superior, it's superior. If it's better, it's better. If it's good advice, take it. If it isn't, don't. One does *not* have to slander another's advice. It only shows how closed minded one is. That sort of attitude prevents one from learning and I certainly hope that it isn't being passed on to kids.

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JustDavid: Leita sounds like a well adjusted, thoughtful and loving daughter. I hope to be so lucky one day ;)

Where I live (in NZ) profanity is not such a big deal as it seems to be in the US (we use words like damn, bollocks, hell, shit, bugger etc a lot in every day conversation. In my opinion strong cussing once in a while (where appropriate) is not a sign some huge break down in societal values.

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If I want advice on how to make spaghetti another way, then I'll ask. Simple as that ;)

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At such an impressionable young age, they should be taught how to get help when it's appropriate, how to deal with conflict, disarm the situation, and if completely appropriate and there are no absolutely no other options (I would say it's time to get help rather than swearing) perhaps other avenues.

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Then Maybe people should worry about more important problems. Such as, the dumping down of school curriculum, the worsening of the "me attitude", crimes becoming more violent, in fact society becoming more violent and disconnected (socially) etc. Swearing is hardly one of these top issues and is most likely a side effect of them.

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It has been shown that different children using the same curriculum proceed at a different pace not merely b/c of their own personal ability, but b/c of their support system at home.

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Take away MTV, take away gangsta rap, take away violent movies, take away Big Macs, 24 hour soda fountains, Britney Spears - and the parents *might* have a chance.

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But let's provide the kids with a good stable foundation to be ready to understand and perhaps *appreciate* these things without being completely exploited by them.

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People worry about the weather - it's cold, it's hot, it's snowing, it's not raining. They worry about whether they will catch a cold. They worry about world population, earthquakes, world hunger. I ask myself the questions:

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We all have to do our part to help. If it's superior, it's superior. If it's better, it's better. If it's good advice, take it. If it isn't, don't. One does *not* have to slander another's advice. It only shows how closed minded one is. That sort of attitude prevents one from learning and I certainly hope that it isn't being passed on to kids.

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Why not share each other's insights. It might work, it might not. Last time I check, people spend their time on this board as much as they spend: with their child, school, friends.

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What makes this board so especially criminal that you or I can't offer some friendly tidbit? Why shut off a potential source of good info/advice? If this place is so worthless - while hang out here at all?

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Well, not very scientific... but in any case, what you are telling me thru (rather anectodal, even though personal experience) is that swearing indeed can cause kids to hang out at the street corner and smoke - just not in every case.

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If one listens to recorded sessions of just plain conversations describe how crappy, horrible, and decrepit the world is, filled with demons and killing and bang your head. Hey, not a whole lot of chance that one would end up thinking the world has some kind of potential and possibility - let alone a beautiful place filled with potential.

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It might or might not *make* you do crazy things. It's certainly at the minimal self-reinforcing. e.g. I am depressed, so I listen to depressing music b/c it's fits the mood, which makes me kind of depressed... so I listen to depressing music...

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At such an impressionable young age, they should be taught how to get help when it's appropriate, how to deal with conflict, disarm the situation, and if completely appropriate and there are no absolutely no other options (I would say it's time to get help rather than swearing) perhaps other avenues.

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This is a good example of why I think you're getting some opposition here.
First, you've said before that you're just offering suggestions, but your tone often comes across as preaching, and for me when it seems like someone is lecturing me, my gut reaction is to reject whatever point they're trying to make. From a teacher in a college class, I'm totally open to a lecture. But from most other sources, it just makes me turn off.

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Second, many of us disagree with the idea that cussing is a significant evil, or that it leads to things like smoking or violence. I just can't see a connection there. From my point of view, cussing at the wrong time amounts to a social faux pas, like maybe eating spaghetti with your hands. People will disapprove, but not much harm done.

Thanks to Zoriah, CantTakeSky, and others further up the thread for all the kind words.


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Then Maybe people should worry about more important problems. Such as, the dumping down of school curriculum, the worsening of the "me attitude", crimes becoming more violent, in fact society becoming more violent and disconnected (socially) etc. Swearing is hardly one of these top issues and is most likely a side effect of them.

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Don't these same studies say that a child is only significantly impacted with a bad home? ie divorce, abuse, etc. Which incidentally has nothing to do with a kid swearing. More likely a side effect of it.

You know, with the posts we exchange, I get the feeling more and more that you cannot tell the difference between cause and effect. You seem to treat them as one and not that one comes after the other. I know about cause and effect and have put forth ideas that get to the root of the problem not the symptoms.

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1. do I have control over it at all?
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Yet the world continues to degrade. The main reasons being that people can't and/or don't think anymore. There are many issues that cause this and one of the many (and IMHO the biggest) is our schools not requiring the students to think or even do any real work anymore. Here are some examples (both high school):

1) I heard a news broadcast that stated that San Fransisco will no longer require there students to do homework as they already live a stressful life the the school doesn't want to add to that.

2) In Canada, at a teachers conference, there is talk that the physics students should no longer have to learn anything involving an inverse square law nor should the student be required to know how to solve a quadratic.

These things are appalling, and quite frankly, far worse that a little swearing. These will have lasting effects throughout the life of the child. Where as swearing is just something that someone does and (pretty much all the time) correct itself with time.

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Did you even read what I wrote? Parents to child. The child will raise his children as he was raised. This will usually (although getting less common) be done with the spouse. So, a combination of the two. Clearly, they aren't re-inventing the wheel. They are raising as they were raised most likely with some modifications that go more along there way of thinking.

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Why can't you just take other people's criticism and let it go? Why do you think you need to defend this till the death? There are people that don't agree with nor appreciate such an approach to raising a child. If you really just wanted to dispense a tidbit, why stick around and beat a dead horse.

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Besides, advice on raising a child will only be accepted from a trusted source (ie parents, friends, specialists, etc). You are not a trusted source. You are just words on a page. I know nothing about your true character as I have not met you IRL nor has the majority on this board. Why do you think that your advice is so special that you deserve this?

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Well, not very scientific... but in any case, what you are telling me thru (rather anectodal, even though personal experience) is that swearing indeed can cause kids to hang out at the street corner and smoke - just not in every case.

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(and what's the beef with Heavy Metal, is there some sort of societal mar against Heavy Metal or something. Isn't Gangsta and Ska far more dangerous?)

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1) no music is dangerous
2) heavy metal got a bad rap because it is the more extreme form of rock and roll which was demonized before it

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Heavy Metal and like forms of music is demonized not only for it, but more so for all of the associated behaviours. If one just listens to Heavy Metal by themselves and go about the day - maybe it will be ok (though I certainly doubt it.)

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You are being ridiculous. I listen to heavy metal music pretty much everyday yet I remain a productive member of society. In fact I've taken it upon myself to learn some Game Theory (because my university doesn't offer that course) and will start to prepare for the Putnam Contest shortly ( http://www.scu.edu/SCU/Departments/Math/putnam/).

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:



Also, everyone I know throws in the face of this conjecture.

Quite frankly, I have the believe that I am wasting my key strokes discussing this with you. You have stuck to all that you believe in the face of logic. I'm not surprised as some of your beliefs aren't exactly logical. As such I will not waste anymore time on repeating myself and will only reply if you make a logical argument that is supported by something concrete.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:


Also, if you wish to continue this on those conditions create a new thread. We have gone to far OT and loading this page wastes a lot of Haken's through-put.

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Originally posted by BlazingBug:
If within this community we may provide advice, allow me to propose two thoughts.

"Until thy feet have trod the Road
Advise not wayside folk."--Rudyard Kipling ("The Comforters")

"The true secret of giving advice is, after you have honestly given it, to be perfectly indifferent whether it is taken or not, and never persist in trying to set people right."--Hannah Whitall Smith

"Wacky fun..."

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
BlazingBug,

Agree with you 100%

Wouldn't have it or take it any other way...

Thanks for quoting them.

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Originally posted by BlazingBug:
If within this community we may provide advice, allow me to propose two thoughts.

"Until thy feet have trod the Road
Advise not wayside folk."--Rudyard Kipling ("The Comforters")

"The true secret of giving advice is, after you have honestly given it, to be perfectly indifferent whether it is taken or not, and never persist in trying to set people right."--Hannah Whitall Smith

"Wacky fun..."

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
I will only comment on this, because quite frankly, I find your other ramblings... well... ramblings.

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
BlazingBug,

Agree with you 100%

Wouldn't have it or take it any other way...

Thanks for quoting them.

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Originally posted by BlazingBug:
If within this community we may provide advice, allow me to propose two thoughts.

"Until thy feet have trod the Road
Advise not wayside folk."--Rudyard Kipling ("The Comforters")

"The true secret of giving advice is, after you have honestly given it, to be perfectly indifferent whether it is taken or not, and never persist in trying to set people right."--Hannah Whitall Smith

"Wacky fun..."

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Yet you persist.

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"Also, I can kill you with my brain." -River

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Originally posted by BlazingBug:
"The true secret of giving advice is, after you have honestly given it, to be perfectly indifferent whether it is taken or not, and never persist in trying to set people right."--Hannah Whitall Smith

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Agree with you 100%
Wouldn't have it or take it any other way...
Thanks for quoting them.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

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Originally posted by BlazingBug:
"The true secret of giving advice is, after you have honestly given it, to be perfectly indifferent whether it is taken or not, and never persist in trying to set people right."--Hannah Whitall Smith

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Agree with you 100%
Wouldn't have it or take it any other way...
Thanks for quoting them.

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Then I said, "Yet you persist." I don't know how much more clear I can make it.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:



I said:
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I will only comment on this, because quite frankly, I find your other ramblings... well... ramblings.
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Which you couldn't even quote properly. I didn't show you anything because I didn't feel the need too. I still don't. Which is clear by what I had written. Then you proceed to insult my intelligence and scold me?!?

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:


Let me say this. I am not a self prescribed intellectual. I am just good at what I do. I don't think that just because I get good grades. See below for my thoughts on grades.

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I think I am good because I have been mistaken for a 2nd year student by many other students when I was in 1st year and chosen for a summer research position after that 1st year. The research I did, how another student entering his graduate studies put it, "What someone would be doing after there 3rd or 4th year." This year I had a prof offer to go around and promote me to the other profs doing research because his grant ran out. Otherwise I'd be working for him.

I have been told by those above me (way above me with regards to education) that I impress them, pretty much no matter what I have done. I have been the best cook at the "restaurant" where I worked when I cooked. When I went to school to become a programmer I was one of the best that was there. When I was in the IT industry I was one of the best programmers in the shop that I worked at (Didn't start that way, but ended up that way.). I have been among the best students in Physics when I was there and as for Math... the profs seem to think I am good as well. If fact one has stated that directly to me.

Does any of this require logic. Clearly, all of it does.

Does any of this make me an intellectual? Maybe, maybe not. To me, it just makes me good at things I like and try at. If some calls me an intellectual, super, if not, whatever. I know what I have accomplished and what I am.

To me grades only show that someone tests well. I know people that would intellectually crush those who have a ~4.5 CGPA, but, they themselves are around 3.5 CGPA.

And after your last post, if you think that I'm willing to continue this to any degree you're sadly mistaken. I'm done with this. It has become a drain on my time and I find it fruitless. Any further attempts to engage me will be ignored.

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"Also, I can kill you with my brain." -River

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Originally posted by Tomtba2004:
ok, i didn't realize that chinese was so much like spanish. Sentences could partially change meaning depending on the situation (which is all you had to say) But the main thing i was saying and where i first got the translation from was that, the girl wacthed the show (and it is used as a "Holy s***" kinda way.) she took it from that and said it to a person but thinking it from the show. which would make no sense..Get what i am thinkig?

Ps. if you don't mind me asking how old are you and what nationality? I think it is kinda funny to people discussing the proper way of chinese and not being of the origin ourselves.

Have a nice day

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I gathered that you would be an intellectual from here.

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Not sure why you felt the need for the dissertation on that part of your background.

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I don't think it's honorable to abandon this conversation now, you have drawn me into this and invested quite a bit of time.

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So if you are no longer continuing this, then I take to mean that:

0. you can dish out challenges and hack apart other's statements, but you are unwilling to accept like challenges.
1. you have nothing else you could offer - either revisions or further examples.
2. you find nothing further to accurately challenge the basis of my offering.
3. you would just rather be happy sitting at the top of your various pyramids and would rather either not provide mentorship or would rather not be challenged at all.

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Originally posted by WhooDahn:
Isn't it fun to watch a simple thread take on a mutated life of it's own?

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I feel like I just watched a new Fox reality series titled "Who's the Best Parent"

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Gives Sigmanunki a virtual hug.

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Gives Sigmanunki a virtual hug.

Jasonzzz: Here's me sharing a little tidbit. I'm sorry but from your very first post your tone came across to me as a little proscriptive, didactic and superior. You have asserted that was not your intention, that you were merely offering up your opinion, engaging in discourse. While it was not your intention to sound like you were taking some kind of moral high ground and implying that Justdavid's methods of upbringing were lacking compared to yours - that is the impression I got from your posts.

I do not think that anyone here wants to or condones bringing up a child without guidance and support, however we may disagree on the best approach to achieve the most positive outcome.

Therefore I think that *unsolicited* advice on child-rearing that springs from an implication of perceived shortcomings should be avoided here. If Justdavid had asked for tips or advice on the situation with Leita then I would have no problems with your responses, however I feel that this thread that started out as a cute anecdote about a father and daughter has turned into an unwarranted lecture.
Just my thoughts.

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
I gathered that you would be an intellectual from here.

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Sarcasm or not, can't tell b/c the tone of your previous messages had become hostile. And below as well.

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Not sure why you felt the need for the dissertation on that part of your background.

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You insulted my intellect. It was an attempt to display that not only do I have one, I have what some think to be a damn good one. As in, not just my opinion. Nothing more.

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I don't think it's honorable to abandon this conversation now, you have drawn me into this and invested quite a bit of time.

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I am rather charged right now. Give it a couple weeks and I'll see where I am then. If you're still interested and I'm ok with it we can discuss the finer points through the message system at our user profiles. And if you do, restate your arguments here. I will have forgotten them by that time.

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
So if you are no longer continuing this, then I take to mean that:

0. you can dish out challenges and hack apart other's statements, but you are unwilling to accept like challenges.
1. you have nothing else you could offer - either revisions or further examples.
2. you find nothing further to accurately challenge the basis of my offering.
3. you would just rather be happy sitting at the top of your various pyramids and would rather either not provide mentorship or would rather not be challenged at all.

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Funny you only pick the degrading options.

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

Don't know where you got your translations from, but "Ta Ma de..." literally translates to Your/His/Her mama... but used in the same sense and generality as "F*ck" or "S*it"...

Kid 10 year old using that kind of language in China also stands around on the corner of the block smoking and beating each other up. If I catch my kid even thinking anything like that, we are going to go thru the 12 pack of Irish Spring before we are done.

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Kid 10 year old using that kind of language in China also stands around on the corner of the block smoking and beating each other up.

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If I catch my kid even thinking anything like that, we are going to go thru the 12 pack of Irish Spring before we are done.

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Well... as my kids' Kteacher would put it so diplomatically (When we were applying our kids for the Magnet program) "A lot of parents think their kids are super bright"...

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Leita did what she did b/c she didn't have an existing library of responses for that situation.

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Originally posted by BlazingBug:
If examples and advice will help, allow me. These quotes are from your first and third posts on this thread (skipping one related to translation alone).

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Explanation: It has already been stated that this child used "that kind of language." This statement by you infers that she will also engage in smoking (addictive behavior) and violence. It is therefore by inference an attack on the child's morality.

Advice: First, don't make statements you can't factually support. Second, don't make generalizations because they can never be supported. Third, don't write hastily; that leads you to see your words only within your point of view. That sentence could have had a much less antagonistic meaning if you had just inserted the word "regularly" before "using." More than likely, that's how you saw that sentence, but it isn't what you wrote.

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Explanation: Once more this reads as an attack. We know the child said this, and we know the parent's response. Stating that in an even lesser situation you would have reacted in a more extreme way is simply an indirect way of condemning that person's actions.

Advice: First, if you are making a point within the context of your situation, always clearly state it as your independent opinion within your comment. Second, hyperbole is only one step away from ridicule; you should always consider this before using it. This sentence would have been much different as, "I would have been more punitive with my child, but that's just me."

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Well... as my kids' Kteacher would put it so diplomatically (When we were applying our kids for the Magnet program) "A lot of parents think their kids are super bright"...

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Explanation: After a description of the child's positive points by the parent, you open your reply with this disparaging remark on a parent's ability to assess their own child. Only later do you go on to state that you think the parent is handling their child correctly.

Advice: Never open a paragraph with a negative remark and then switch to positive statements. It makes the positive statesments look sarcastic.

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Leita did what she did b/c she didn't have an existing library of responses for that situation.

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Explanation: Once more, you've made an attack out of your statement. The big problem here is that you have directly named the child and as such, the statement can have no other meaning than to refer to her. Then you state your opinion of why she did what she did as fact without any qualifiers whatsoever. Then that causation is based off what the parent should provide the child. Short translation: "You are a bad parent."

Advice: First, the third person is your friend. Second, remember the part about not making statements you can't factually support. Third, you cannot support any absolute statement, so don't make them. Qualifiers are your responsibility, not the reader's.

Hope this helps.

"Wacky fun..."

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