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Not John Wayne-- he had a tendency to be hatin' on our Native American bruthas.

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:

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Not John Wayne-- he had a tendency to be hatin' on our Native American bruthas.

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Don't hate on the Duke!

Seriously though, John Wayne never wrote the scripts, he just acted in the movies. Sure, all of his earlier movies depicted Native Americans as savage killers bent on scalping settlers, but then again, all westerns from that area stereotyped Native Americans that way.

In John Wayne's later films, once he was a big name star and had more control over such things, the NAs were cast as a people oppressed by an expanding American gov't, a people simply fighting for survival. John Wayne was always a big proponent of protecting the rights of the Native Americans.

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Originally posted by Kugelblitz:
Well, if you want to see something with some terrific chinese cultural bits in it, and some pretty good action scenes-watch "The Sand Pebbles". It is set in the 1930s in China and is simply terrific. You could infer about the San Pueblo being a rough equivalent to the Serenity, but it doesn't quite work. Still, it is an an excellent character piece.

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Originally posted by Gunhand:
I have a completely irrational aversion to it.

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Um... this is one of the few times where I have to disagree with Broancoat1. John Wayne may have later become a defender of the Native American, but he's ALSO quoted (more than once) saying some rather un-nice stuff...

... such as "Of course we were justified in taking their land. Many people came to this country, and needed land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it all to themselves"...

Great actor? Sure. Eternally sensitive to the plight of the Native Americans? Not so much...

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Steve McQueen played the main character, whose name escapes me.

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Originally posted by CapnRahn:
And I am speaking of the - now classic, in my opinion, "Silverado".

Starring the likes of: Kevin Kline, Scott Glenn, a very young looking Kevin Costner, and Danny Glover as Mal. {check his costume!}

Including these notables: Rosanna Arquette, John Cleese, Brian Dennehy, Jeff Goldblum and Linda Hunt.

This film is very Firefly in my opinion. I have not read if Joss has quoted this or its 'base' - Akira Kurosawa's "Shichinin no Samurai" aka "The Magnificent Seven" (1954) as inspiration - but I bet one or both are.

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Originally posted by Skydance:
OMG! Silverado! What a classic! *laughs*

Danny Glover might wear the brown coat, but Kevin Kline is definitely The Mal. I mean, seriously, think about how Kline got caught: he stopped to save the dog?

"It worked out in the end. The dog sprung me."

Such a great movie. *chuckles*

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Originally posted by justme:
All this talk got me to thinking of one of my favorite movies and a RPG I usta' play.
The movie is "Quigley Down Under" with Tom Selleck. Quirky humor, thrillin' heroics, Alliance troops (the Redcoats), defending the oppressed, alien world (1850's Australia), prostitutes - all the important Firefly stuff. Mathew Quigley comes across as a kind of cross between Jayne and Mal - Jayne's size and skills, Mal's sense of humor and morals.

The RPG is Space:1889. I can easily see adding the Ethership Serenity to that (if I ever get a chance to play again)

Have to agree with all about Unforgiven and Silverado.

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Originally posted by Channain:
... As for Tombstone, I have only one thing to say -
Val Kilmer as Doc Holiday, "I'm your huckleberry."

hoo-SHA

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Originally posted by DragonFlyDirector:
Hummm, have you noticed that really good westerns have a tendacy to be 'based', either in part or fully, on Kurosawa's "Shichinin no Samurai" {The Magnificent Seven}?

If you haven't see it - WOW, you need to!

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Originally posted by Channain:
Not what I would call the greatest western of all time, but if it's Firefly-like Westerns you're looking for, I got one.

"Two Mules for Sister Sara"

Now. After you fellas pick yourselves up from falling on the floor laughing, here's some food for thought:

Whore who pretends to be a righteous upstanding nun played by the lovely and fiesty Shirley MacLaine.

Nefarious-type gun slinger with a mind for larceny and an eye for a pretty face, played by none other than the man himself, Clint Eastwood.

Big bad man - French, not Mexican for a change - bent on terrorizing an entire countryside.

Mexican Rebels bent on saving countryside from the big bad Frenchie.

Gunfire, horses, theivery, lust, and do-gooding topped off with really bad whiskey. Doesn't get any more Firefly than that.

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I once watched "Rio Bravo" very late at night with my father and that movie will forever remain in my heart as my all-time favorite western.

As for Tombstone, I have only one thing to say -
Val Kilmer as Doc Holiday, "I'm your huckleberry."

hoo-SHA

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Excellent movie Channy, and overlooked by many as a western classic. I would say it is in my top ten favorite Eastwood movies.

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Rio Bravo was a western great. AMC plays it once evey month or so.

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I liked Val Kilmer as Holiday in "Tombstone". I thought he acted circles around everyone else.

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