How many Fox haters will not watch Joss's new Fox show? by BookReader

It's not over for some people...
http://fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=33381

As for me, I've learned to arrange myself with people I don't like, for mutual benefit. Besides, the people who cancelled Fox no longer work there, so what's the point.
If they're good enough for Joss, they're good enough for me.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:37 AM

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Originally posted by Agatsu:
It's not over for some people...
http://fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=33381

As for me, I've learned to arrange myself with people I don't like, for mutual benefit. Besides, the people who cancelled Fox no longer work there, so what's the point.
If they're good enough for Joss, they're good enough for me.

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Yeah, that was what prompted this thread. Some people would rather curse the damn dark.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:17 AM

ZEEK

I'll watch it. But you're kidding yourself if you think it's lasting on Fox for more than 2 seasons.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:24 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
I'll watch it. But you're kidding yourself if you think it's lasting on Fox for more than 2 seasons.

Something like 75% of all new shows are canceled their first year, regardless of the network.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:27 AM

CHANNAIN

i DO aim to misbehave

I have, for the most part, let go of my grudge. Mainly because I'm finding that the movies I like are produced by Fox. That and Bones is still produced by Fox. Miracle of miracles.

There's no point in hating Fox. The best thing to do is not fall too hard for any show ever again. It's TV. It's not a relationship or a marriage, after all. Watch the show, support The Almighty Joss, but don't be surprised if Fox changes its mind. It's a network. Networks are about money and ratings, not show love.

(Says the girl who found this site during the Throes of Cancellation and keeps coming back )

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:41 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

I called off my boycott of Fox to watch the Sarah Connor Chronicles to support Summer. I did the same to support Nathan and Tim Minear. I will support Joss and watch his new show as well.

Other than that, Fox can go hang.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:20 AM

After a few years of being a bitter fan, (yes, Obama, I'm bitter LOL!) I find it too exhausting. Well, OK. I'll never go anywhere near Fox "news" but that's different. If there's something decent on the regular network, I'll watch it. I'll sure as hell watch Dollhouse. Why punish myownself by skipping out on precious Joss entertainment?

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:28 AM

JLIN

I never felt I needed to ban fox, I just don't care for most everything on there. The only show I do absolutely ban is American Idol, and pretty much any reality show on the major networks. That is what I really blame for these new shows not getting a chance. How can the compete with the easy money from a reality show.

Thank Universal for airing Firefly in HD at
http://universalhd.com/Firefly/

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:35 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
Well, OK. I'll never go anywhere near Fox "news"

I will heartily second that emotion.... Fox Fake News - but I've got to say that it seems that the other major network news programs have suffered lately as well - NewsHour on PBS is still the best bet, imo...

As for Fox programing... i don't watch it very much - I never started the Connor Chronicles... but I have watched New Amsterdam... mainly on HuLu..... and like it (although my liking a program is usually the kiss of death).... I will give Dollhouse a chance - cause I owe Joss that much - but that brings up another question.. and this may sound harsh, but after all the grief Fox put Joss through over FF - (and I know a job is a job - we all have to eat and drive big fancy cars...

)... but doesn't going back to Fox make Joss just a little bit of a chump..?? A very cool chump but a chump all the same....

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:41 AM

TANKOBITE

I'm just not watching it because other then Firefly I don't really like Joss Whedon's stuff and the new show hasn't made me go "Wow, maybe I should change my mind".

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:48 AM

CHRISISALL

I'll support Joss no matter the venue. Period.

Dollhouse? Bring it on Bring it on Bring it on.

Impatient Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:25 AM

STRANGEBIRD

I still don't like FOX mainly for it's glaringly annoying commercials of it's countless Reality shows and those annoying popup adds at the bottom of the screen(Everyone else has them but Fox's seem to be larger). I will however be giving Dollhouse one hell of a chance. I'll watch as many episodes as I possibly can and be sure to note my feelings on the appropriate threads that will no doubt be numerous here at FFF.net.

Also I am starting to think the Fox hateing is getting a little bit overblown as well.

P.S. I too will not watch Fox news if the world was ending and it was the only news network still on the air. Which was the only reason I told the Fox-Hater at the bar guy he did a good job, the guy said he was from Fox News.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:26 AM

MACBAKER

I watch a few shows on FOX, House, Terminator.....

I won't watch any of their reality crap though. I like my brain cells too much!!!!

As much as I don't like FOX for how they mishandled Firefly, even Joss has said the old guard is gone, and the new guard seems to be behind his new show. They skipped a Pilot request, and ordered half a season. That's quite a gamble on their part, and it shows a lot of faith in Joss, and this was done BEFORE the strike!

I keep seeing people here asking why Joss went back to FOX. Lets look at the facts people. Eliza's series deal is with FOX. Joss created "The Dollhouse" for as a vehicle for her. Because of her deal with FOX, it's has to be there. Joss didn't have any say in that.

Here's a thought, if "The Dollhouse" is a hit, don't you think it will give Joss leverage to get something going again with Firefly? Universal owns the movie rights, but FOX still has series rights, and getting a mini-series or a made for TV movie based on the series would have to be backed by Fox Television. The only way Universal might green light a Serenity sequel, would be for theatrical release, or a direct to DVD movie like BSG-Razor!

A Joss hit on TV can only be a good thing for us, so YES, I will be watching!

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:30 AM

Thanks for some excellent and well reasoned points.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:05 AM

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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
but doesn't going back to Fox make Joss just a little bit of a chump..?? A very cool chump but a chump all the same....

I caught a clip of a James Brown bio a while back. I don't recall the details, I guess he went through a phase of pretty serious fighting with a record label in the early 60s(?). It was ugly and nasty and JB talked about how he had to keep his independence and such - and then Bam! He went and signed a contract with them.

This was early in his career, and a lot of what he's now best known for came out of that deal. If he'd stewed in his resentment and pride and not "sold out," we'd all have lost out. Not only on his stuff, but he's influenced sooo many artists.

I just thank goodness that Joss isn't one to keep a tight grip on his bitterness, because I want to see more of his stuff. I don't want him sitting in a dark corner somewhere drowning himself in beer while shaking a fist and yelling - "Hell yeah! I showed those Fox bastards!" I want him on a set making entertainment. NOW, gorammit!

Really, the whole concept of artists "selling out" only makes me smile and recall how Maynard dealt with a similar accusation:

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb f***.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip sh*t,
And you bought one.

(OK, so it's a little heavy-handed. It's Tool, after all.

And please - I don't quote it to call anyone here names, I just really like the song.)

Show business is a business. We've all bought into one of Joss's shows. That doesn't mean we own HIM. Doesn't mean we have to keep buying either.

Strangebird said: "Which was the only reason I told the Fox-Hater at the bar guy he did a good job, the guy said he was from Fox News."

Whathuh? I totally missed that part! That has an effect on the landscape LOL!

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:45 AM

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Strangebird said: "Which was the only reason I told the Fox-Hater at the bar guy he did a good job, the guy said he was from Fox News."

Whathuh? I totally missed that part! That has an effect on the landscape LOL!

Nowhere in the 'guy at the bar thread' was it said that the Fox guy was from Fox News. It was stated plainly in the first post that the Fox guy was in development.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:59 AM

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Originally posted by BookReader:
Nowhere in the 'guy at the bar thread' was it said that the Fox guy was from Fox News. It was stated plainly in the first post that the Fox guy was in development.

Well. Never mind.

*Rosanne Rosanna-danna smile*

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:19 AM

JOSSISAGOD

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
I called off my boycott of Fox to watch the Sarah Connor Chronicles to support Summer. I did the same to support Nathan and Tim Minear. I will support Joss and watch his new show as well.

Other than that, Fox can go hang.

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What else can I add besides, I'll be watching Dollhouse, but only 'cause it's Joss and Eliza, doing it.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:00 AM

STRANGEBIRD

Huh. My mistake. Must have been the way the guy worded it. Swear it said the guy commented that He was on the news(Fox) rather than what was on the news(Fox). Still I'm sure the guy had about as much to do with canceling Firefly than he would if he worked at CNN.

Either way I'm giving Dollhouse a shot. Devil Spawned Fox network or not.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:09 AM

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

It was worded rather poorly and I had to re-read it twice to be sure what exactly was said.

No problemo.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:22 AM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'll support Joss no matter the venue. Period.

Dollhouse? Bring it on Bring it on Bring it on.

Impatient Chrisisall

me too! Heck I would even watch if Joss wanted to make some cheesy online musical with over-the-top characters like Doctor Horrible.....

regardless, there is no way I'm missing one minute of Joss' new show starring Eliza Dushku!

New Firefly fans should check this out: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=15816

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:41 AM

MICJWELCH

Apparently the guy doing all the tv shows for Fox is new. The interviewer mentions that he's only been doing it for a year.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3
i417fb14f37cbfdbec82cb04eac95a227

(There's also some good news in there about Terminator.)

"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:23 AM

RAYCHEETAH

When the F*X deal on Dollhouse was first announced, I was among the die-hard, venomous F*X-haters who were appalled that Joss had "sold out."

Then, cooler heads carefully explained that this is a way for Joss to get more exposure, mebbe recover whatever cachet he had with F*X, before the long-since-gone bungers who killed our gorram show decided they didn't like him, anymore.

So, yeah, Dollhouse sounds like a cool concept, it's Joss, and, for those two reasons, I'll watch it. The third reason is that Joss has a guaranteed, eyes-open 7 show deal, win or lose, which means, this time, gorramit, he'll get to tell as much of his story as he can in those 7 eps. Of course, he'll leave lots of room for more, in case, in direct contradiction with past history, F*X has grown some brain cells, and doesn't kill the show.

And, reason four... F*X holds the rights to Firefly. Mebbe, just mebbe, they'll decide they like Joss well enough to give him some more time to play in the 'Verse. Might not be with all our original BDHs, given that they've been pretty busy doing other things, but, ya never know. But, for that, I'll give Dollhouse a shot.

F*X, I still wouldn't trust any further than I could pitch 'em. Out an airlock.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:26 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by micjwelch:

(There's also some good news in there about Terminator.)

*does the happy dance*

It'll be backisall

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:52 PM

Hm, if there's a new guy in charge at Fox, maybe we should make nice with him - find out what he likes, get a little united Browncoat campaign going and politely suggest bringing Firefly back just might be a shiny idea?

Or shoot him - politely.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Agatsu:
Or shoot him - politely.

*snort*

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:14 PM

Did some quick research on the man, and I'm quite impressed. He seems like a cool guy who knows something good when he sees it and carries the torch no matter what.
So am I totally off by suggesting we show him some Browncoat love, or should we give it a shot? I'm in the mood for some Browncoat action!

I am now also strictly against option B.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Reilly
http://www.pastdeadline.com/kevin_reilly/index.html

I'm sorry if I missed similar proposals, seeing that he changed to Fox in July '07, a time where I admittedly was shamefully absent from this board, and Flandom in general.

Edit: Hey, it just clicked - he's the guy who re-introduces the audience to "My name is Earl" in the beginning of the first episode after the writers' strike! I'm starting to dig the man.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:27 PM

TLACOOK

No. The guy who introduced Earl was Zuckerman. He is a complete tool by all reports. Reilly used to be the head of programming for NBC. They fired him last year around this time and now he is at Fox.

Strangely enough Earl is made by 20th Century Fox.

And Eliza's deal is with 20th Century Fox and not Fox broadcasting. The show didn't have to go to Fox network (lots of 20th shows aren't on Fox), but they jumped at it as soon as they heard the name Joss Whedon. They desperately want to work with him again.

20th shows not on Fox: The Unit, How I Met Your Mother, Boston Legal, My Name is Earl, Women's Murder Club, etc.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:37 PM

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Originally posted by tlacook:
No. The guy who introduced Earl was Zuckerman. He is a complete tool by all reports. Reilly used to be the head of programming for NBC. They fired him last year around this time and now he is at Fox.

Strangely enough Earl is made by 20th Century Fox.

And Eliza's deal is with 20th Century Fox and not Fox broadcasting. The show didn't have to go to Fox network (lots of 20th shows aren't on Fox), but they jumped at it as soon as they heard the name Joss Whedon. They desperately want to work with him again.

20th shows not on Fox: The Unit, How I Met Your Mother, Boston Legal, My Name is Earl, Women's Murder Club, etc.

"Oh, hello there. I'm Jeff Zucker, president and CEO at NBC/Universal...".
I stand corrected.

Musta mixed it up in me head.
Apparently it's the guy who got Reilly's job after NBC gave him the shaft (which sorta turned out okay for him.

).

Question still stands, though - should we try our luck with Reilly?

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Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:38 AM

TLACOOK

If Dollhouse does well, I don't think anyone is going to have to bring it up with Reilly. If Dollhouse is a hit, they will be asking Joss what he wants to do. If he wants to do Firefly, then they will probably let him.

Success is what will open this door, not a fan email campaign.

Just watch Dollhouse and get all your friends to do the same.

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Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:48 AM

KWICKO

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Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
After a few years of being a bitter fan, (yes, Obama, I'm bitter LOL!) I find it too exhausting. Well, OK. I'll never go anywhere near Fox "news" but that's different. If there's something decent on the regular network, I'll watch it. I'll sure as hell watch Dollhouse. Why punish myownself by skipping out on precious Joss entertainment?

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Bingo. I hate Fox for what they did to Joss & Firefly, but too many of my favorite shows are on Fox for me to boycott them. Bones, Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, the Sarah Connorcles, etc. Why would I miss out on Dollhouse? Just because it *might* get cancelled? Here's an idea for the Fox-haters to try: Try NOT watching it, and see if THAT gets it renewed for another couple seasons. :(

Also, don't confuse Fox Television with Fox News. They seem to be two completely different entities. Hell, the Simpsons and Family Guy constantly make fun of Fox News, almost as much as the rest of us do!

Mike

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Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:02 PM

Holding grudges is bad for business, and we do have to do business with Fox.
If one or two players in a football team screw up and lose, do you blame and badmouth the whole team, even after the screw-ups left? We all just wanna enjoy the game, don't we?

I liked hating Fox, too, but it's been 6 gorram years since they cancelled FF. Get over it and shake hands.

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Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Quote:
Originally posted by BookReader:
I guess all the cool kids hate Fox with a burning passion and would never ever ever ever ever ever have anything to do with Fox ever ever ever ever again.

So, will anyone be watching Joss's new show at Fox? Or will you allow a grudge to get in the way of Joss making a living? If Joss's new show fails because browncoats won't watch a Fox show, won't this be sending a signal to Fox that Joss Whedon just cannot make a show that people will watch and they were right not to give Firefly more time?

Joss has gotten over it, shouldn't you?

I have no sympathy for Joss. If he hasn't put enough in the bank to "make a living" by now, than he needs to rethink his priorities and put down the crack pipe and send the Elliot Spitzer girls on their way.

More importantly, if FOX has been so bad for Joss, why does he continue to work for them? He's not the guy getting screwed. It's the fans of his work. Obviously they don't think too negatively about his work either, or they wouldn't be asking him to do another show for them, do you think?

Fox has made horrible decision after horrible decision and honestly I can't believe that any of them are still employed. I'm just glad that somehow Comedy Central got the ability to bring back Futurerama and there is serious talks of an Arrested Development movie.

I really loved, by the way, the knockout blow that Futurerama gave FOX within the first 2 1/2 minutes of "Bender's Big Score" a few weeks back. One of the funniest bits I've seen on TV in a long time. Check it out.... don't know how long it'll be up on YouTube before somebody with the rights (not the artist) yanks it:

I think you'll all appreciate that one.

I still watch FOX shows.... but it's a few days after it airs on FOX when I can download it for free with the commercials cut out. With today's technology it's more than just possible to boycott a company like FOX without inconveniencing yourself, it's your duty.

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Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:25 PM

GREENBROWNCOAT

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posted by TLACOOK:

If Dollhouse does well, I don't think anyone is going to have to bring it up with Reilly. If Dollhouse is a hit, they will be asking Joss what he wants to do. If he wants to do Firefly, then they will probably let him.

Success is what will open this door, not a fan email campaign.

Just watch Dollhouse and get all your friends to do the same.

You're absolutely right -- if you and all of your friends have Neilsen meters installed. For everyone else, email and snail mail are effective methods of letting the network know you exist and you're watching.

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Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:48 PM

CALHOUN

I can't believe Joss keeps on bending over and allowing Fox to assFRAK him.. Dollhouse will be lucky to get 8 eps in the can.

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Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:51 PM

CALHOUN

I might wait and watch the Universal Studios sequel to the cancelled Fox Dollhouse.

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Sunday, April 20, 2008 3:48 AM

HIXIE129

I'm not buying anymore dvds, no more Joss comic books, no tee shirts,, nothing.. I won't watch FOX or DollHouse.... I think this will put more pressure on the Alliance and its traitor

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Sunday, April 20, 2008 4:22 AM

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Originally posted by Hixie129:
I'm not buying anymore dvds, no more Joss comic books, no tee shirts,, nothing.. I won't watch FOX or DollHouse.... I think this will put more pressure on the Alliance and its traitor

Who is the traitor?

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Sunday, April 20, 2008 7:18 AM