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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

for me the confussion comes at the end of the trilogy (I take it we're considering all three films in this?)

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If so then what seems to be going on (for I will openly confess to not fully understanding what the Matrix is about) at the end is some kind of comprimise between the two points of view.

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Now the confussion for me in the whole matrix thing is just where the humans viewpoint stands, it would seem that they're fighting for an 'establishment' the re-establishment (if you like) of humanity as they perceive it needing to be. So that the idea of 'actually' eating a real steak can be the true reality. A reality realized within an established society.

Maybe....

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
This means a failure of the exisiting government, which let down the population, and then they would have a poor view of establishment.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Once again, that’s a post-apocalyptic theme, not anti-establishment.

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It's a commonly held misconception that two sequels followed The Matrix- I deny it totally.

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I see anti-E as the establishment being the very cause of it's downfall, the fact that they want to get it back up & running doesn't negate the idea that it had major flaws in the first place...but Finn's take on it is equally (if not more) valid, from my perspective.

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