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Originally posted by Staples:
I agree - where did Mr. Universe come from?! He'd never been in any of the episodes...WTF?!

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Originally posted by Succatash:
"We're in trouble! We better call Mr. Universe!"

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Mr Universe : first wave ..ok I believe....second wave, when he was luring Mal in for the Operative I don't believe..he seemed just a bit too eager to please, and Mal's instinct would have smelled it.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Stitch should have shot him and the prod foreman right on the spot the minute he got the shotgun.
I would have if someone had kept me in a 5X5 box for 4 years.

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Originally posted by BigRichard:

That would be because he's a servant, and most of the people at the party would expect him not to talk to them, and would probably be angry and cruel if he did. Just think of those girls that Kaylee started talking to, imagine if the SERVANT talked to them.

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Originally posted by BigRichard:
ARIEL:
Always confused me as well, though I guess it could be explained by saying that the thumbprint is simply logged, not some form of login? Though then, wouldn't Mal's thumbprints be on the system as a Thief/War Criminal?
Perhaps his thumbprint was put in the system with the ID card, but the ID card wasn't given adequate access, and thus he used the doctors, but his own thumbprint worked.


As for the HOB guys, I assumed they were some high level of Government/Blue Sun, and so they had all sorts of clearance, so that never bothered me so much.

SAFE :

River was away at a special school for the gifted, run by a government Mrs. Tam probably voted for, why would she have any reason to believe River was in trouble? She simply chose to believe in her government.


BDM :

I agree with the fact that Mal is a flawed character, and is meant to be questionable. He probably believes that the pilot isn't sorry for what he did, and so shouldn't be given another chance. Let's not forget that Mal saw some terrible things in the war, so he probably has little sympathy for anyone in the Alliance.

SHINDIG :
Pretty sure that was just manipulated timing, I don't think Mal ACTUALLY told Kaylee about it all at the same time Inara was dancing. Just because it cuts to that scene while they dance, it doesn't mean it's simultaneous, just means that you find out that Mal and Kaylee are going to the ball, when you're meant to.


That would be because he's a servant, and most of the people at the party would expect him not to talk to them, and would probably be angry and cruel if he did. Just think of those girls that Kaylee started talking to, imagine if the SERVANT talked to them.

JAYNESTOWN :

Pretty sure Magistrate Higgins was just making sure his son "turned into a man", he didn't want to watch, he just wanted to make sure that Inara just skipped all her Companion stuff and slept with him. Basically, he wanted a prostitute rather than a Companion.


yeah, i have too much time on my hands clearly, and most people probably thought some of that was obvious, but I'm at uni and I'm kinda bored, so yeah....

"Never f$@% with a browncoat dude...." - Kevin Smith

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

Your explanations are terrific!

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Originally posted by spinebite:
The only thing that ever really bothered me was that Stitch had a loaded shotgun, and yet he didn't shoot the people who kept him in tiny box for years on end(Magistrate Higgins and the Foreman).

"Pain is scary."

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DancingOtter:The problem that I had with the scene is that after years in a small box, Stitch was able to stand, walk and within a couple of hours, go toe to toe with a man who works out regularly. His muscles should have been so atrophied that every movement should have been horrifically painful.

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DancingOtter:The problem that I had with the scene is that after years in a small box, Stitch was able to stand, walk and within a couple of hours, go toe to toe with a man who works out regularly. His muscles should have been so atrophied that every movement should have been horrifically painful.

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DancingOtter:The problem that I had with the scene is that after years in a small box, Stitch was able to stand, walk and within a couple of hours, go toe to toe with a man who works out regularly. His muscles should have been so atrophied that every movement should have been horrifically painful.

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DancingOtter:The problem that I had with the scene is that after years in a small box, Stitch was able to stand, walk and within a couple of hours, go toe to toe with a man who works out regularly. His muscles should have been so atrophied that every movement should have been horrifically painful.

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DancingOtter:The problem that I had with the scene is that after years in a small box, Stitch was able to stand, walk and within a couple of hours, go toe to toe with a man who works out regularly. His muscles should have been so atrophied that every movement should have been horrifically painful.

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DancingOtter:The problem that I had with the scene is that after years in a small box, Stitch was able to stand, walk and within a couple of hours, go toe to toe with a man who works out regularly. His muscles should have been so atrophied that every movement should have been horrifically painful.

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Originally posted by Knightreyeder:

The real thing that bugs me doesn't really make Firefly flawed, it's an inconsistency with Serenity. Unless I understand it wrong, Simon paid people to smuggle Summer out of where she was held (in cryo, remember?) and sent her to him. In Serenity he did it himself. That has always bugged me.

While we're on about things that are annoying. I love Firefly but the BDH thing, how Mal is supposed to have this big serious warrior rep (i.e. I start fighting a war, I guarantee you'll see something new) amongst other occurances, and yet he's this corny boyish hotdog in Zoe's battle recollections in The Message. Doesn't go with the rep very well and just made for a dorky humor moment. I'd have much preferred Mal's rep was supported with stuff like how bad he was in battle like when he manned the twin 50's in the pilot, or how 'maybe' he killed a whole squad hand to hand or something similar.

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Originally posted by Knightreyeder:

In Bushwhacked, why did the kid turn into a Reaver? Do they carry around concentrated portable cans of the PAX to give to someone so they have a mate left on board when they come back or in case they missed someone in hiding?

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Originally posted by CosmicFugitive:
The flashing 'low battery' sign on Rance Burgess' laser gun, from 'Heart Of Gold', was quite tacky.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
"Capital City"

I hate when shows do that. Who cares if they said you're the finest doctor in all of "schumtzville"? We'd still assume it's a pretty good complement. If the alliance was really that lame with naming conventions then what's with "Ariel" and "Miranda". Why not "Planet #213"? Pssh Capital City. So dumb. It annoys me every time I watch Safe.

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Originally posted by dug:
There's something in Firefly that's been bugging me recently. Take this quote, for instance:

"I wanted to do a show about people who are not 'super,' just working-class people, the people history steps on." - Joss Whedon on Firefly

There are other quotes like that as well. Hearing that quote, how the h311 do I fit River Tam into this 'verse? Even if I think of Serenity as changed due to being a movie, the series was still headed in a decidedly non-ordinary person direction for her.

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That said:
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1.) Kaylee's "nethers" line---I think Mal voiced everyone's opinion.


Another Sky

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Originally posted by AnotherSky:



Kaylee's "nethers" line---I think Mal voiced everyone's opinion.

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
In character: Not telling Tracy the plan. Seriously all Mal has to do is say, "We're not turning you over to the Feds" and Wash doesn't get shot, Kaylee doesn't get taken hostage, and Tracy gets a chance to maybe learn a lesson and move on.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Never kiss 'em on the mouth

Chrisisall

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
In character: Not telling Tracy the plan. Seriously all Mal has to do is say, "We're not turning you over to the Feds" and Wash doesn't get shot, Kaylee doesn't get taken hostage, and Tracy gets a chance to maybe learn a lesson and move on.

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YES - that's bugged me (and apparently a few others in this thread) since I first saw The Message. Thought it was just me...

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That, and the climax of War Stories, where Mal and Torture-Guy are fighting on the balcony-type thing and Zoe and Co. burst in, Zoe saying that Mal must kick Torture-Guy's butt hisownself, etc. Hate that whole scene - it's a disservice to what is otherwise one of my favorite episodes.

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
That was just a wonderful way of showing how Mal differs from the usual Western Hero stereotype. Plus it was funny.

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
In character: Not telling Tracy the plan. Seriously all Mal has to do is say, "We're not turning you over to the Feds" and Wash doesn't get shot, Kaylee doesn't get taken hostage, and Tracy gets a chance to maybe learn a lesson and move on.

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
That was just a wonderful way of showing how Mal differs from the usual Western Hero stereotype. Plus it was funny.

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That was one of the greatest moments in the series IMO.

Chrisisall

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
What was supposed to happen when Tracy delivered his fancy organs? Would his own be waiting in a cooler?

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Did you notice that Mal did the same with Simon in Bushwhacked? Told him to go get his sister without explaining that he'd be hiding them, not handing them over.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:

I'm not disagreeing though - the whole plot for The Message was swiss cheese. What was supposed to happen when Tracy delivered his fancy organs? Would his own be waiting in a cooler?

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