European Browncoats? by GweiLo

Like I mentioned before, the easiest place to get to in Europe is probably London. So joking aside, I have to agree with the somewhere outside London plan.

I´ve seen both Angel and Buffy in German (and French for that matter, while we´re on the subject of dubs). If I lived in Germany I think I´d long to hear the original voices. Most German speaking movie buffs I know buy DVDs directly from the US in order to get around the dubbing.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 7:50 AM

JACEN

Quote:
Originally posted by GweiLo:
If I lived in Germany I think I´d long to hear the original voices. Most German speaking movie buffs I know buy DVDs directly from the US in order to get around the dubbing.

I totally agree with you! I love watching movies, but in most cases, the german dubbing is really really bad, and it's always much more interesting and honest to a movie / series episode to watch it in its original language and to hear the actor's real voices. I could not imagine to see Firefly one day dubbend on german TV, they would ruin it like all the other shows...

You can't take the sky from me

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 8:17 AM

I’ve had it explained to me (mainly by French speakers) that the reason why they dub is A) many people don’t speak other languages B) they are very protective of their own language and don’t want too much foreign influence.

I can maybe understand A)… although I think subtitles are far faaaaaaaar better since you get to hear the original performance and have a chance to learn the language. As for reason B), that’s just plain silly. There’s always been a lot of foreign language influence on all European languages. It’s a part of the natural evolvement of a language and has been for as long as humans came up with the concept of language in the first place. Ack! I’m rambling again, aren’t I? (I could go on about this subject forever. I’ll just go ahead and round it up now.)

Anyway, I have a hard time deciding which the most stupid alternative is: The way some European countries choose to dub TV shows and movies, or the way the census in Northern American puts a gag on people’s rights to free expression. (I.e. not allow certain words to be used.) Stupidity is alive and well on both sides of the pond.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 10:16 AM

MISSAN

Another swedish female here. Glad to see i´m not the only one ;)

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 10:20 AM

TEMPEST10

Hey another UK one, here.
Yeah I get kinda wistful hearing about the US shindigs and the Browncoat ball.

Oh well

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 10:26 AM

TEMPEST10

Coventry, England
To anyone who doesn't know it - its where Lady Godiva came from.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 10:29 AM

DAVEY

Hi im english and live in luton

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 11:17 AM

PEAK

Yay. More Swedes...

Mostly lurking here nowadays, but I do have the distinction to be the first to review a Firefly-episode in the reviews-section (if that's something to brag about, probably not...

)

//Peak
http://www.scifinytt.se

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 12:10 PM

This is shaping up most nicely I must say!

We have a very good foundation for the European faction of the Browncoats right here.

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Sunday, February 8, 2004 3:45 PM

ZAMPANO

Quote:
Originally posted by GweiLo:
Like I mentioned before, the easiest place to get to in Europe is probably London. So joking aside, I have to agree with the somewhere outside London plan.

I´ve seen both Angel and Buffy in German (and French for that matter, while we´re on the subject of dubs). If I lived in Germany I think I´d long to hear the original voices. Most German speaking movie buffs I know buy DVDs directly from the US in order to get around the dubbing.

Hi, GweiLo!

You're correct, as a movie buff from Germany I buy my DVDs directly in the US or from import-shops.
Not only is the original language on it (most german-made region-2 discs contain the original language as well, but mostly because of the superior quality the US-releases mostly are produced in, compared to German ones.

Farscape is broadcast with multi-channel audio with its original language included, on some Pay-TV staiton(SciFi Channel). I believe germany's TV is going to get better in that respect.

On the "Shindig"-topic, I want to add that the cologne-bonn Airport, near which I conveniently live, might be as easy to get to as Stanstedt(spelling?) via small-rate airlines.
However, London as a city is supercool, and I do not really care where it would be held, as I will be totally there, as work permits. :)

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Monday, February 9, 2004 12:45 AM

> First we would have to know who else would like
> to come to a shindig???
> So anyone else?

Yes, me!

And can I suggest a meet-up at the Fusion convention at the end of April in Blackpool, UK, which will be featuring Nathan, Gina, Jewel, Morena, and lots of Buffy and Angel people too.
(see http://www.seanharry.com/fusion/)

Pat

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Monday, February 9, 2004 1:15 AM

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Originally posted by patolver:
> First we would have to know who else would like
> to come to a shindig???
> So anyone else?

Yes, me!

And can I suggest a meet-up at the Fusion convention at the end of April in Blackpool, UK, which will be featuring Nathan, Gina, Jewel, Morena, and lots of Buffy and Angel people too.
(see http://www.seanharry.com/fusion/)

Pat

That is almost TOO good an idea!

Haven't been to Blackpool in years - even then it was mostly Lytham St. Annes! (Might have to have a word with my better half about this - also a fan!)

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Monday, February 9, 2004 2:50 AM

STICKS

This is the one and only "sticks" aka BRITISH BROWNCOAT #1, Im very interested in the fusion in blackpool but it all boils down to cash.Its good to know that more and more BRITISH and european firefly fans are joining up to this site and your all welcome so hello all.

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Monday, February 9, 2004 3:10 AM

Been lurking for a while before joining, but we were fortunate enough to catch the real pilot on sci-fi (completely by accident). Only half watched that one, not knowing what we'd stumbled on, but from The Train Job onwards, we were hooked.

The "Firefly weekend" helped as well, of course!

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Monday, February 9, 2004 3:52 AM

The Blackpool thing sounds really cool, if you´re into conventions. I´d go to it anyway just for the fun of a convention. Not entierly convinced it´s the ideal time for a FF shindig though. Imho, it should be two separate events. (Not that we can´t have our cake and eat it too. ;-) )

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Monday, February 9, 2004 4:58 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Originally posted by SouthernMerc:
To those who think Americans don't like being called "yanks": actually, Southerners don't like being called yanks, it's too close to "yankee." But then, that's an individual's opinion. Heck, I'm not even sure where the word "yank" comes from. Can anyone enlighten me?

Sorry to crash the Euro thread...just had to put my two cents in.

Sorry to interrupt, but I try to help out where I can.

To answer your question SouthernMerc, the origins of "Yankee" have been debated for quite some time, and to this day the Oxford English Dictionary says the source of the word is "unascertained." Perhaps the most widely accepted explanation was given by H.L. Mencken, a well-known newsman-scholar, who argued that Yankee derives from the expression Jan Kaas, literally "John Cheese." This supposedly was a derogatory nickname bestowed on the Dutch by the Germans and the Flemish in the 1600s.

The English later applied the term to Dutch pirates, and later still Dutch settlers in New York applied it to English settlers in Connecticut, who were known for their piratical trading practices. During the French and Indian War the British general James Wolfe took to referring derisively to the native New Englanders in his army as Yankees, and the term was widely popularized during the Revolutionary War by the song "Yankee Doodle." By the war's end, of course, the colonists had perversely adopted the term as their own. Southerners used Yankee pejoratively to describe Northerners during the Civil War. Of course it now seems to be a term the Brits and most of Europe use as a nickname for all Americans.

Again, sorry to have butted in. Carry on.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:22 AM

IDEFIX

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Originally posted by GweiLo:
Ack! I’m rambling again, aren’t I? (I could go on about this subject forever. I’ll just go ahead and round it up now.)

if it makes you feel any better I'd ramble with you on that subject. I'm german by the way and I won't even want to know what they would do with our show if they ever dubb it and show it here. maybe SciFi would buy it and show it in english/chinese like it's meant to be. but that's the only station and no one in germany really has it because it's an add on channel in the very _not_ popular german pay tv system 'Premiere'. I actually got a minimum Premiere subscription just to subscribe to SciFi and they haven't shown all that much exciting stuff up to now (they do show Farscape which I love but I already have the brittish DVDs), but I feel like I have to support them anyway. it's the first step in the right direction that I've seen.

I really try to avoid tv shows on german tv. I download them and if I like them I buy the DVDs (american, brittish, german, whichever is cheapest or first). I do go to the cinema (also dubbed here) though, because they seem to get movies mostly right. they seem to spend much more money translating and finding suitable voices for movies. but tv shows are done so cheap they sound like someone reading the telephone directory when being really bored. and the end of it is that germans think american TV shows are stupid and boring. but it's really a 'problem' here with people not being able to understand english and not being willing to learn. that's something the french and the germans seem to have in common. I know that my mom will never be able to watch english tv because she just never learnd english at school and now she's almost 60. but I don't get younger people that just don't want to even try. I have lots of friends that never ever even once tried to watch something in english although they all learned english at school. it's just not 'normal' around here I guess.

we germans fight for our language even though I don't really know why. everyone wants to understand other peoples better yet when there's a new word around we have to find a german equivalent because simply using the english one would somehow rob us of our cultural identity or whatever. I'm really puzzled by that. maybe germans think everyone should learn german instead but that's just a stupid idea and trying to keep our own language by force is just building walls instead of bridges.

Idefix

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Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:50 AM

Wooo - another British Browncoat here :) From London or Oxford, depending on whether it's termtime or not.

Oh, and another possiblility, rather than London, for a Euro shindig, is Cambridge - right next to Stanstead airport, and slightly cheaper than London (although admittedly not *that* much). Although I could probably swing some floorspace either there or here in Oxford.

Like the idea a lot though :)

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Tuesday, February 10, 2004 5:12 AM

Idefix: It does make me feel better not to be the only one rambling here, thank you! ;-)

At least you have the possibility to subscribe to the Sci-Fi channel. In Scandinavia that option was taken away a couple of years ago… right in the middle of an exciting season of Battlastar Gallactica too. (Grrr!) Apparently the channel does moderately well and is only “guaranteed” to go on in the UK and the Benelux countries.

Back on the subject of dubs, I more than sympathise with your frustration. I visited Germany two times last year. Once for an extended week-end in Berlin and later for a week in Hamburg. I had to search high and low for cinemas that didn’t dub… and these are BIG cities… can’t even imagine how hard it is in smaller places.
The problem with dubs is, as you hinted, that once you’ve started it’s hard to stop. There’s an older generation to take into account, as well as a big resistance to change in general. Simplistically I would have to say that you have to draw the line somewhere and stop the madness. It would be very hard for a while, to be sure, but in the long term everyone wins.

On a personal note I know for a fact that I wouldn’t speak half the languages that I do speak today, hadn’t it been for the fact that there were so many different languages in the TV shows I watched growing up. I’m simply not the kind of person who learns languages by sitting in a class room and I feel it’s fundamentally wrong to rob those people who want to learn of the same possibility.

Pudor: The London area in general seems to be a good idea… seeing how there’s so many different airports (not just Stansted obviously).
Floor space sounds very very good. (A gym perhaps, or what were you thinking?) You’re the first person in the general area of the intended shindig to sign in so that’s great!

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Tuesday, February 10, 2004 7:17 AM

IDEFIX

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Originally posted by GweiLo:

At least you have the possibility to subscribe to the Sci-Fi channel. In Scandinavia that option was taken away a couple of years ago… right in the middle of an exciting season of Battlastar Gallactica too. (Grrr!) Apparently the channel does moderately well and is only “guaranteed” to go on in the UK and the Benelux countries.

it's _not_ UK SciFi but a german version. don't know if they have anything in common. and UK and US SCiFi seem not to be too closely related either, I think.

and I just come from a very disturbing thread on a german video-related board. they were bitching about the very thing we here are welcoming: the end of german-dubbed-only TV in germany. they are writing hatemail to SciFi for daring to plan to show the fourth season of Farscape only in english. it's never been shown in germany before and is not yet dubbed. so maybe SciFi will cave in and not show it at all or if they can afford it dubb it.

I really feel sorry for myself for living in this ignorant country sometimes. I was born here and there are open minded people her too but we seem to be fewer than I thought.

I wrote an eMail to the address mentioned in the thread and told them (SciFi) my version of things. congratulated them on their courage and asked them if there's something apart from subscribing that I can do to help end this madness.

for anyone interested (I think one has to register there so maybe the link won't work)
http://record.mkplace.de/viewtopic.php?t=2039

to say it with the 'grrrr arrg' monster (in the end of "Becoming" I think): "now I need a hug"

Idefix

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Tuesday, February 10, 2004 7:51 AM

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Pudor: The London area in general seems to be a good idea… seeing how there’s so many different airports (not just Stansted obviously).
Floor space sounds very very good. (A gym perhaps, or what were you thinking?) You’re the first person in the general area of the intended shindig to sign in so that’s great!

Oh, I just meant sleeping space (people I know with rooms/houses). If plenty of people were coming, it might be worth hiring the function room of a pub (I know one in central london that we could have for nothing, but the drinks are normal london prices - i.e. just under £3 a pint). :)

I'd assume most people would fly in to Stanstead, as it's dead cheap. Heathrow and Gatwick tend to be full-fare, but I'm talking from the point of view of a penniless student ;) Alternatively, Oxford means I don't have to move from my room, and I could put people up in my nice empty 5-bedroom house :> (out of term-time).

I'd be interested to know how many people would be up for it, anyway.

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Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:20 PM

FREDEP

Dutch browncoat here,
not much of those around are they

arrrgh, well most here don't even notice good television if they were abel to see it

Boil the see

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Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:43 PM

Idefix: Oh! Germany has its own Sci-Fi channel? I hadn’t realised. I’m all jealous now. (Miss Sci-Fi channel… bad! I think it qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment to dangle the goods in front of you, let you believe you have it made for a while – and then viciously snatch it all away. It’s cruel I tell you, cruel! … Ahem, but I digress.)

I’m afraid that my German is far too bad to participate in the thread but you know you have all the mental support in the world right here when you need it. ~hug~ (I loved when they changed the Monster’s Inc logo like that btw. I keep expecting them to do it again in some other way each time they do another dramatic episode! ~LOL~)

Pudor: Ah yes! I remember being a penniless student like it was yesterday… (Wait a minute! It was. I’m not that old.)

If the time is right and my schedule allows I’m most definitely there. As I only registered at this forum last week however, I personally would appreciate getting to know people here a little more before setting off. But that’s just me.
Anyway, good news on the sleeping space. That’s the kind of stuff we need!

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Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:56 AM

IDEFIX

Quote:
Originally posted by GweiLo:
Idefix: Oh! Germany has its own Sci-Fi channel? I hadn’t realised. I’m all jealous now. (Miss Sci-Fi channel… bad! I think it qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment to dangle the goods in front of you, let you believe you have it made for a while – and then viciously snatch it all away. It’s cruel I tell you, cruel! … Ahem, but I digress.)

look at www.scifi.de if you want to make yourself either more jealous or less. I'm not sure they have that many exciting things to watch yet but they startet to send Farscape a while ago and it's the first series they show with german and english audio. hopefully they will stick to that at least. maybe even be bold and show some new shows without paying for synchro and thus having us wait for 2 years for it.

Quote:

I’m afraid that my German is far too bad to participate in the thread but you know you have all the mental support in the world right here when you need it. ~hug~

nah, don't have to respond there. they don't understand english and they don't want to learn and they PAY for the GERMAN SciFi and it's outrageous that they even consider sending something in english only. no need to argue there...

Quote:

(I loved when they changed the Monster’s Inc logo like that btw. I keep expecting them to do it again in some other way each time they do another dramatic episode! ~LOL~)

I love the 'grr arrg' monster. have to smile everytime I see and hear it. best logo ever.

Idefix

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Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:45 AM

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Originally posted by pudor:

Alternatively, Oxford means I don't have to move from my room, and I could put people up in my nice empty 5-bedroom house :> (out of term-time).

I'd be interested to know how many people would be up for it, anyway.

Could be....

We're near-ish to Oxford (wife used to work in Cowley) - a couple of miles your side of Henley.

So, is that BIG Oxford, or Brooks (nothing wrong with the latter, hasten to add

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Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:06 AM

GweiLo wrote:

Could the people who have said they´re British specify where in Britain they´re from?

I'm from Bracknell. A concreteish jungle about 40 miles from London.

Pat

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Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:58 AM

RKLENSETH

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Quote:
Originally posted by SouthernMerc:
To those who think Americans don't like being called "yanks": actually, Southerners don't like being called yanks, it's too close to "yankee." But then, that's an individual's opinion. Heck, I'm not even sure where the word "yank" comes from. Can anyone enlighten me?

Sorry to crash the Euro thread...just had to put my two cents in.

Sorry to interrupt, but I try to help out where I can.

To answer your question SouthernMerc, the origins of "Yankee" have been debated for quite some time, and to this day the Oxford English Dictionary says the source of the word is "unascertained." Perhaps the most widely accepted explanation was given by H.L. Mencken, a well-known newsman-scholar, who argued that Yankee derives from the expression Jan Kaas, literally "John Cheese." This supposedly was a derogatory nickname bestowed on the Dutch by the Germans and the Flemish in the 1600s.

The English later applied the term to Dutch pirates, and later still Dutch settlers in New York applied it to English settlers in Connecticut, who were known for their piratical trading practices. During the French and Indian War the British general James Wolfe took to referring derisively to the native New Englanders in his army as Yankees, and the term was widely popularized during the Revolutionary War by the song "Yankee Doodle." By the war's end, of course, the colonists had perversely adopted the term as their own. Southerners used Yankee pejoratively to describe Northerners during the Civil War. Of course it now seems to be a term the Brits and most of Europe use as a nickname for all Americans.

Again, sorry to have butted in. Carry on.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

You forget that Southerners still refer to Northerners as Yankees, Browncoat1.

And I think Europeans refer to us as Cowboys as if it is an insult.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:26 AM

Greets to the new people in the thread! Good to have you here. :-)

Idefix: Sometimes when you download movies or episodes online there are dual audio tracks. You can pick either to hear the original English or the German dub via a special media player. In an ideal world – multiple audio tracks would be something that you could choose in your TV, like you sometimes can pick subtitles. Wouldn’t that be great? People who feel uncomfortable with subtitles could pick the dub and people who want to hear the original performance could have that too.

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Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by patolver:
GweiLo wrote:

Could the people who have said they´re British specify where in Britain they´re from?

I'm from Bracknell. A concreteish jungle about 40 miles from London.

Pat

Ah, Bracknell - driven through many times. Have yet to stop (except at traffic lights!

).

I work in Maidenhead, but live a little further west (see above).

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Friday, February 13, 2004 10:08 AM

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If the time is right and my schedule allows I’m most definitely there. As I only registered at this forum last week however, I personally would appreciate getting to know people here a little more before setting off. But that’s just me.
Anyway, good news on the sleeping space. That’s the kind of stuff we need!

I know what you mean - I just registered last week. People seem nice here though :) Significantly less than the normal level of bitching you normally find on forums. Although I've not done the fanforum thing before, so maybe that's why :)

Quote:
Could be....

We're near-ish to Oxford (wife used to work in Cowley) - a couple of miles your side of Henley.

So, is that BIG Oxford, or Brooks (nothing wrong with the latter, hasten to add)?

It's "BIG" Oxford - I'm doing Classics here. Sadly the sci-fi group here doesn't seem to be particularly into Firefly, which is a pain. At some point I hope to educate them :) But exams this term, so not right now.

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Friday, February 13, 2004 10:23 AM

Gweilo wrote:

> Ah, Bracknell - driven through many times.
> Have yet to stop

Very wise

> I work in Maidenhead, but live a little further west

And I work in Dunsden, which is the Henley side of Reading, so all very local (sorry if everyone else in the world is getting bored...)

So if someone were to arrange a meetup in Oxford, several of us would be quite pleased, I think.

Pat

"I'll be in my bunk..."

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Friday, February 13, 2004 10:23 AM

Gweilo wrote:

> Ah, Bracknell - driven through many times.
> Have yet to stop

Very wise

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Monday, February 16, 2004 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by patolver:

And I work in Dunsden, which is the Henley side of Reading, so all very local (sorry if everyone else in the world is getting bored...)

So if someone were to arrange a meetup in Oxford, several of us would be quite pleased, I think.

Pat,

My better half works on the Reading road just south of Henley town centre - we go past Dunsden a lot (took our puppy training down that way!)

We're just the Oxford side of Henley, but I think you're right - others'll be getting bored of this

Pudor - Classics at Oxford, I'm impressed (glad to see there are still some of us not automatically going for "vocational" courses!

) Maybe pop down to Henley some time!

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Monday, February 16, 2004 12:43 PM

YSRITH

Can I pass this on to some people not on this board?

A bunch of Firefly fans who are seasoned con-goers were trying to set something up like a Shindig up, but were getting very little interest in the UK so far.

It would make sense that we all work together, and share our resources.

I know that as a first step, the crowd going to Fusion are planning a shindig-of-a-sorts at that event, as am involved in that. The plan is to get to know each other and then if there is the interest, think about a proper Shindig.

And the more fans from across Europe the better.

Heathrow is a good venue, mainly for the ease of access for the rest of Europe, and good hotels which are used to holding cons. I know from the Stargate cons that the German fans have no problem getting there. And there are many cheap flights to Heathrow at present

Ryanair fly to Stanstead, which is a bit out of the way, but there is a bus-link to Heathrow airport, which is very good, as many of the Irish fans know.

Ysrith - Irish, but living in the UK.

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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:20 AM

Coordinating and fusing our efforts sounds like an excellent idea Ysrith. Are you guys active at another forum, or what?

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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:21 AM

Coordinating and fusing our efforts sounds like an excellent idea Ysrith. Are you guys active at another forum, or what?

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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:21 AM

Eeek!! Now I understand how double posting happens. I didn´t think anything was happening while in fact my post(s) was getting through. Sorry guys!

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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:22 AM

Again... sorry.

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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:32 AM

YSRITH

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Originally posted by GweiLo:
Coordinating and fusing our efforts sounds like an excellent idea Ysrith. Are you guys active at another forum, or what?

We are discussing the shindig at Fusion over at the Prospero Board under the Fusion 2004 thread, but am happy to fill in on this one, if people think it appropriate.

Another option might be to set up a Euro-Shindig mailing list on Yahoo, and see how we go from there

But I agree we should all work tgt. There are a few people out there who have experience organising get togethers and have knowledge of hotels etc. I'm good for the UK and Ireland, and I know some people in Germany and Holland.

I think a Euro-Shindig would be fantastic.

But then again, am always looking for a good excuse for a party

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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:32 AM

YSRITH

Quote:
Originally posted by GweiLo:
Coordinating and fusing our efforts sounds like an excellent idea Ysrith. Are you guys active at another forum, or what?

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Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:34 PM

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Originally posted by AJ:

Pudor - Classics at Oxford, I'm impressed (glad to see there are still some of us not automatically going for "vocational" courses! ) Maybe pop down to Henley some time!

Oooh - I went through Henley the other day on a 'short cut' from London to Oxford. It looked really nice - like Oxford, but quieter. That was the result of my 22-second appraisal, anyway :)

Sadly, my course is so non-vocational and pointlessly academic that I'm likely to end up with nothing to do at the end of it ;)

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Originally written by YSRITH
Heathrow is a good venue, mainly for the ease of access for the rest of Europe, and good hotels which are used to holding cons. I know from the Stargate cons that the German fans have no problem getting there. And there are many cheap flights to Heathrow at present

Whereabouts around Heathrow were you thinking of holding the Shindig? I always sort of assumed that Heathrow was in the middle of some kind of giant wasteland... It surprised me to hear that there might be civilization near to it :)

Please let us know what's going on with the others you mentioned - at the moment I suspect there are about 20-odd people interested or semi-interested, and I'm assuming we'd need approx double that to make it worthwhile...?

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Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:21 AM

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Originally posted by pudor:

Oooh - I went through Henley the other day on a 'short cut' from London to Oxford. It looked really nice - like Oxford, but quieter. That was the result of my 22-second appraisal, anyway :)

Sadly, my course is so non-vocational and pointlessly academic that I'm likely to end up with nothing to do at the end of it ;)

Sounds like Henley - even down to the 22 second appraisal!

Need more time to enjoy the pubs, of course!

I'm sure you'll have something to do at the end of it - maybe not something financially rewarding, but still....

I caved in eventually and did an MSc. in IT (not at Oxford, mind - only ever visited

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Originally written by YSRITH
Heathrow is a good venue, mainly for the ease of access for the rest of Europe, and good hotels which are used to holding cons. I know from the Stargate cons that the German fans have no problem getting there. And there are many cheap flights to Heathrow at present

Well, I guess there's a hotel at Heathrow, or a short-ish drive to somewhere more interesting (I recommend Henley

). Still would be worthwhile with only 20 people, I reckon, but I'm sure there are more out there....

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Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:42 AM