You'll never believe what this woman is saying about Firefly! by lkydragn

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You'll never believe what this woman is saying about Firefly!

POSTED BY: LKYDRAGN
UPDATED: Saturday, July 5, 2008 10:07
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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:16 PM

Hey everyone,

I'm posting a link below. You have to read it to believe it. Feel free to post a comment, PLEASE!!! This woman really needs to understand what Firefly/Serenity/Browncoats are all about. I'll see you on her comments page.

http://users.livejournal.com/_allecto_/34718.html

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:41 PM

BORIS

I Believe we discussed this dementoid and her psychotic sentiments on a previous thread...she is soo very intellectually undernourished, and soo soo soo obviously mentally damaged.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:09 PM

BAPTISMO

The woman is an idiot. What a load of utter drivvel.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:13 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:27 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Yep, this is the same nutjob I read and commented about in another thread. Yeah, she says that just about everything in FF is against women and that JW is an evil lecherous hump. Imagine FF as porno.

It boggles the mind that there are people out there who think this way.

"On some planets they juggle geese."

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:48 PM

OUTINTHEBLACK

What a load of gos se... I actually felt a little sick reading it. Her accusing Joss like that. Fwa zte da pi gu.

I'm perfectly fine with her movement, but I think a radicallist view on anything that takes it to the point of finding nothing in the world wholesome, (not to mention something as wondeful as Firefly), and for entertainment is not healthy. Moderation. I mean, Browncoats have a strong view on Firefly and the BDM, but it is one based on love, not on hate. I feel sorry for this woman.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:11 PM

TATERTOT

WTF?!?!?!?!?

I think this chick is overly sensitive.....

And what she said about Wash pissed me off the most! Saying he raped and abused Zoe...WTF?!

I hate this woman.....I wish we could duct tape her mouth and throw her in the hold for a month....

God damn. I hate feminists! and I'm a woman....

I can't believe there is actually people like that out there. What a thick headed narrow minded

you lady!

*continues to rant*

I really wish I didn't read that.....so mad.

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Wash is the tater to my tot! <3

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:48 AM

FLATLINE

Hey guys, a couple of you have said that you've got another thread about this commentary. Can you post the link since I've obviously been out of it for a bit? Thanks.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:24 AM

ZEEK

Her blog isn't worth a comment. She's obviously looking to hate on Firefly. Her analysis is clearly biased. Not worth trying to reason with someone who's only looking for what they want to see.

Did you see the part where she said Wash and Zoe are portrayed as having a perfect, happy marriage. Uh...really?

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:31 AM

STILLFLYING666

myyyy god.
she is nuts. literally. what an absolute ton of drivel.

gahhhh.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:33 AM

STILLFLYING666

myyyy god.
she is nuts. literally. what an absolute ton of drivel.

gahhhh.

shinyfull 98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:33 AM

STILLFLYING666

myyyy god.
she is nuts. literally. what an absolute ton of drivel.

gahhhh.

shinyfull 98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:29 AM

FREELANCERTEX

oh yeah i remember this chick, haha @_@ yeah i cant even respond to what she's saying because she obviously takes it way too seriously.

has anyone from this site posted a response to her?

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:55 AM

LEOPARDFLAN

I think I read on one of those previous threads that someone said she blocked comments, so only her friends could post responces? I didn't bother trying to comment myself, you're never going to convince someone that.. whacked up... of anything, and I don't have the energy to waste trying.

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98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:19 AM

FREELANCERTEX

yeah rly. itll just be a sad day if any of them actually believe her without watching for themselves first. my greatest fear ><

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:39 AM

STARTROOP

There is a quote that my father used when I was being particularly blockheaded that went something like "When your only tool is a hammer, all your problems look like nails". She saw what she expected to see. Judging by what she has said in the past, she sees the same common threads in almost everything. There are problems with gender equality in our society but the particular genius of Joss Whedon is to pick these issues out and make you roll them over and over in your mind until you begin to think. This woman clearly doesn't want you to think, she wants you to preach the gospel. I find it very sad.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:07 PM

LWAVES

I missed this first time round but have read the start, skipped some and then read some of the comments.

One point that peaked my interest was that Joss may be considered a feminist by some, and BTVS may be considered a feminist show by some. But to my knowledge FF/S nor Angel were feminist. I though they were just shows that may featured strong female characters but the show itself wasn't necessarily feminist.
The creator doesn't have to influence the show in that way. It would be like saying that because Russell T Davies is a gay man that Doctor Who is a gay show.

Either way the lady is off her meds and she completely misunderstood the show. People like that she be used for medical experiments.

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:09 PM

TRAVELER

People with very low self esteem attack others with twisted logic just to get attention. That is all this is about. She does not care if she is right or wrong. It is just the attention that counts. She is a troll.

Feed a cold, Starve a troll.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:27 PM

PHYRELIGHT

I'm completely with Traveler here. The best thing to do is ignore her.

Darksiders can keep their cookies. We have better writers.

Grrr. Argghh.

Really can't wait to see Cap'n Tightpants sing!

http://doctorhorrible.net/doctor-horrible-teaser-video/80/

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:50 PM

BLINDOUTLAW

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The first scene opens in a war with Mal and Zoe. Zoe runs around calling Mal ‘sir’ and taking orders off him. I roll my eyes. Not a good start.

they are fighting a freaking war and they are soldiers, why do you think she calls him sir?!

my god, there are people and then there are those that we wish we could shoot into the sun with a giant slingshot

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That was when i found out my pants were on fire, and that's my Courageous story.

http://www.myspace.com/blindoutlaw

- Jimmy the Blindoutlaw

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:08 PM

FREELANCERTEX

lolz i know really @_@

good quote startroop.

a troll, eh traveler?

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:29 PM

VEXEM

Read as much as I could stomach of that rubish review/commentary. Thought about a rebuttal, because there is just so much that is illogical and perposterous, but that would have required reading more of that psycho-babble (well written, but still crazy). Why waste the time - its been said "don't argue with a fool, people may not be able to tell the difference".

The sad thing is that this hateful writer reminds me of a Reaver. Not an original PAX (ph.) created Reaver, but a second generation Reaver created from the trauma of witnessing Reaver evils. I hope my theory is wrong, but it seems plausible that this person witnessed and/or experienced some terrible and evil things, leading to a psychotic break. That would best explain becoming so backwards and hateful. The world is far from perfect, but it is so much better than what that writer perceives.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:35 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by Flatline:
Hey guys, a couple of you have said that you've got another thread about this commentary. Can you post the link since I've obviously been out of it for a bit? Thanks.

At the risk of repeating myself...

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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...I'll repeat myself:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=33159

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=33856

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:18 AM

PHYRELIGHT

Quote:
Originally posted by Vexem:
Read as much as I could stomach of that rubish review/commentary. Thought about a rebuttal, because there is just so much that is illogical and perposterous, but that would have required reading more of that psycho-babble (well written, but still crazy). Why waste the time - its been said "don't argue with a fool, people may not be able to tell the difference".

I've heard it told that way, and "Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Quote:
The sad thing is that this hateful writer reminds me of a Reaver. Not an original PAX (ph.) created Reaver, but a second generation Reaver created from the trauma of witnessing Reaver evils. I hope my theory is wrong, but it seems plausible that this person witnessed and/or experienced some terrible and evil things, leading to a psychotic break. That would best explain becoming so backwards and hateful. The world is far from perfect, but it is so much better than what that writer perceives.

Ai. I don't think you're that far off either. It's terrible to think of what she's most likely gone through to bring herself to this way of thinking.

Darksiders can keep their cookies. We have better writers.

Grrr. Argghh.

Really can't wait to see Cap'n Tightpants sing!

http://doctorhorrible.net/doctor-horrible-teaser-video/80/

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:51 AM

PAPAGEORGEGEO

In one of the comments she says "Hmm... I watched the whole series twice"
To me it seems that she probably had to BUY the series to watch them twice and be so meticulous with the analyzing and quoting of stories...so i say THANKS for helping the greater cause!!!

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:29 PM

BLINDOUTLAW

Quote:
Originally posted by Papageorgegeo:
In one of the comments she says "Hmm... I watched the whole series twice"
To me it seems that she probably had to BUY the series to watch them twice and be so meticulous with the analyzing and quoting of stories...so i say THANKS for helping the greater cause!!!

hahaha

guess theres always a bright side to everything

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That was when i found out my pants were on fire, and that's my Courageous story.

http://www.myspace.com/blindoutlaw

- Jimmy the Blindoutlaw

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Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:22 PM

TRAVELER

Hello Blindoutlaw:

The bright spot is the light shinning through her ears to fill her empty head.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Friday, June 27, 2008 12:24 PM

BAPTISMO

The worst thing the world ever did was give women the vote....

/me cringes in the corner waiting for the backlash...

tee hee

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Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:40 AM

STAPLES

I couldn't even finish reading this crap it made me so mad. I only got a couple paragraphs in before I realized that i could refute every single thing she was going to say. I don't need my blood pressure that high, this early in the morning...(it's 8:40, by my clock)...

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Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:05 PM

ASARIAN

Quote:
Originally posted by lkydragn:
Hey everyone,

I'm posting a link below. You have to read it to believe it. Feel free to post a comment, PLEASE!!! This woman really needs to understand what Firefly/Serenity/Browncoats are all about. I'll see you on her comments page.

http://users.livejournal.com/_allecto_/34718.html

Well, I gotta say, her talent for alienating folks is near miraculous. :) Other than that, pretty much everything she says is like the Capisan 38 engine: it falls right out of the sky!

Sad, though, that she mocks the in itself legitimate cause of feminism with her lunacy. "Moonbrained" we call that, this end of the 'Verse.

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Liara T'Soni: "I don't know what's worse, the Geth or all the sand in my... never mind."

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Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:14 AM

JOSEPHUS

She's in dire need of a psycho-proctologist.

Arguing with her kind will only encourage her...as Mark Twain said, "The only thing worse than a fool is the fool that argues with her."

Josephus

Only when love and need are one
And the work is play for mortal stakes
Is the deed ever really done
For Heaven and the future's sake.

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Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:49 AM

INEVERMARRIED

"That woman has issues" just doesn't quite cover it.

Have to admit that whilst reading it, I did find myself thinking, "This woman can actually write. There's obviously some intelligence here." Then I got to the bit about "never knowing of a healthy relationship between a white man and woman of colour" and couldn't help but chuckle to myself at how downright insane and narrow-minded that generalization was. Such a shame that her intelligence is being choked to death by the fanatical strength of her feminist leanings.

In all honesty, I was really surprised that she didn't kick off about Kaylee and what she was partaking in before she became mechanic on the ship in Out of Gas. Saw the preemptive vultures circling on that one but she seemed to leave it alone - although she may have kicked off in a later post, I don't know.

Personally, I've had enough for maddening, severely-flawed diatribes for one day.

*takes two deep breaths*

Yeah, I'm done.

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~Do YOU know what the chain of command is?~

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Saturday, July 5, 2008 8:36 AM

ASARIAN

People see what they want to see.

"What the fuck is this feminist man trying to say about women here? A black woman calling a white man 'sir'."

Yeah, it's a little outfit called the Army. Every child who's ever seen any movie with any type of soldiers in it, knows this. So, what the fuck is this hateful woman trying to say about herself here? That she's truly so dimwitted that she doesn't know that, in the Army, one addresses one's superior officer with 'Sir'? Or that when she subjected herself "to the horror that is Firefly," lol, that she completely missed out on Zoe and Mal having a military history?

"So, Joss Whedon refers to rapist/fuckers who buy women as sex, as 'eager, inexperienced but pleasingly shaped' who 'make love' to women in prostitution."

Was there ever a moment, I wonder, were she understood, or even faintly suspected, that Mal weren't exactly pleased with all this Companioning stuff? And that he, his own self, was pointing out "the lie of it"? And to complicate matters even far beyond the rim of her grasp, that even Inara, her own self, is struggling with being a Companion?

"It is clear from the outset that a large part of Inara's service involves addressing issues of male inadequacy and fulfilling many other emotional needs of her clients. The ability to do this IS a resource and it is therefore a service that Inara must perform. BUT Inara services all of the male passengers and the Captain in this way. She also services Kaylee but the relationship between them is a little more reciprocal. In any case, Mal makes it pretty obvious that he expects his emotional needs to be serviced by Inara and she willingly obliges."

So, first being a Companion is "Joss Whedon's euphemism for prostituted women" (actually, Mal just calls it whoring, too; if only that irony weren't lost on her), and then she goes off on a rant because, annoyingly so, the gnashing of her teeth despite, she has to admit that being a Companion is more than just about getting sexed? Well, that's your typical "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario, ain't it?

"Zoe is treated as a piece of meat by both her husband (Wash, another white male) and the Captain. (...) both relying on her submission to them to get them hard and manly.

I guess she took Zoe's "Take me, Sir; take me hard!" a mite too literal. :) What a baffoon.

And what's with all the alleged racism? * See, this is another sign of her tragic space dementia. She just sees what she wants to see, regardless. If there were no black folks in it, she's scream foul. If there were no black women in it, she'd scream foul, too. If there were black women in it, but only paired to other black men, she'd scream foul as well. And a Joss having the audicity to actually be so liberated as to portray an interracial couple, we certainly can't have that!

O, Joss' Rapist's View of the World must definitely come to an end! :)

*takes two deep breaths*

Yeah, I'm done.

Liara T'Soni: "I don't know what's worse, the Geth or all the sand in my... never mind."

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* Where she sees racism, I see Joss' wink to equality between the races (from an earlier post I made):

It's a well known fact, of course, that Joss modelled Jubal Early after Jubal Anderson Early, the famous Confederate general of the American Civil War. What I didn't know (until a recent visit to wikipedia) is that the general was an outspoken believer in white supremacy. Early wrote about African Americans as "barbarous natives of Africa" and wrote:

"The Creator of the Universe had stamped them, indelibly, with a different color and an inferior physical and mental organization. He had not done this from mere caprice or whim, but for wise purposes. (...) Reason, common sense, true humanity to the black, as well as the safety of the white race, required that the inferior race should be kept in a state of subordination."

I therefore find it not without a sense of irony that the Creator of *our* 'Verse made Jubal Early... a BLACK man! :)

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Saturday, July 5, 2008 9:10 AM

MIIKE

jesus h is this mentalist actually watching the same show i watched it seems she had an agenda before she actually started watching the show and to put serenity/firefly in the same bracket as pornography is insane . i personally think that the show is non sexist that dosent mean the universe the show depicts is non sexist .that is the same for reality that even though most right minded people respect women for the good they do for society. some people only see women as sex objects or inferior intellectually or only put a womens worth to their astethetics.but these are some of the issues i belive the show addresses in a posetive way one example is kaylee being a better engineer than the first guy (i forget his name).or the way that zoe is the strong partner in the zoe wash relationship there are countless other examples of a non sexist ideology within the show .i think this woman just wants an argument knowing the size of our fanbase please dont rise to her childish acusations and hopefully she will find something else with subliminal sexism .

i may be some time

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Saturday, July 5, 2008 10:07 AM

JOHNTHETHEATREFREAK

All I can say about this woman is that she tries very hard to find problems with the show.

I think my favorite was that she actually counted the number of times that people talked.

I also like how she thinks the "duct tape her mouth and dump her in the brig" is literal. I mean please.

johnttf

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