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Originally posted by ShinySahara:
What do you guys think?

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Originally posted by ShinySahara:
I didn't mean to gross anyone out, but I was watching a clip of something on youtube - I don't know if they were deleted scenes or something - but River was insisting that they needed to marry, that Simon didn't love her if they didn't.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
So, I always took the scene the way it's described here by MSB, that River really is that far off in her understanding of romantic love. But I recall someone in another thread saying that River knew exactly what she was doing, that she was playing with Simon intentionally. Pulling his leg. It hadn't occurred to me, but it does seem possible.

I'm curious, did anyone ever take it that way? The second option - that she knew?

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Originally posted by MSB:
eeeeeeeeeew and I think it's a matter of overfocus. I see it a lot with siblings of a disabled student. They're so much the caretaker of their disabled sibling that it blocks out a lot of the other normal aspects of life... and the disabled child becomes overly focused on the sibling because the sib is their only real brdge to the world. So I see River's actions at the end of Serenity as more the curiosity of a unique child whose experience of the world is limited and whose information is filtered through ehr more functional sibling

Also I think it would have been funny to have Simon and Kaylee , replete and exhausted, flop on to their backs and have Simon suddenly say " River.. um how long have you been there?"

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Originally posted by wytchcroft:
Well - Joss looked into the darker side of sibling connections (still is) with FRAY (the comic and Buffy S8) and the difference in emphasis is pretty clear.

The difficult aspect of the Rver/Simon relationship is more about when will River be able to fly with her own wings...

She is all about discovering herself. Simon has been brother, doctor, carer and surrogate Father to her - the white knight who took her our of the academy at the expense of his career. Will he be able to allow River to stand on her own - what will his reaction be - would he be able to 'let go'.

The movie of Serenity (you mention the watching scene at the very end) has a crucial moment near the end where this issue is played out to some extent - but i can't say more without a SPOIL.

And Platonist is right about River's whacky inner life - and NBZ is right about the funning?; 'yeh - no - well, yes', that River is so adept at.

Anyhow - different writers, different emphasis - and like all human relationships there is some complexity and room for - er, fan fiction....

(quickly runs away).

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Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
She's trying to figure out the things that she's missed (either by being kept incommunicado at the "Academy" or by her warped perception do to the brain surgery or by just being different from the rest of us folks)

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Originally posted by ShinySahara:
I can respect that they're close, a loving brother/sister pair. I'm also wondering, however, if there was an element of something else that we (viewers) should have caught. For example, River's face appearing when Simon and and Kaylee get together at the end of Serenity.

What do you guys think?




You're mouth is talking. You should look into that.

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Yeah, I sort of got the eebies sometimes. It felt a little hey my sisters purty sometimes.

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