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Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
My only question is how long will it take to download.

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Hey Lemming, I can't post there. Can you post if, in addition to Ita Moon, they can make a world with rings, preferably in the Georgia System, and with 4 other bodies in close proximity (like 4 moons). This would identify the location of the U-Day Bar in the Train Job teaser.
Thanks.

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Originally posted by Lemming:

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Hey Lemming, I can't post there. Can you post if, in addition to Ita Moon, they can make a world with rings, preferably in the Georgia System, and with 4 other bodies in close proximity (like 4 moons). This would identify the location of the U-Day Bar in the Train Job teaser.
Thanks.

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Here we go again ;-)

The short answer is no, again. Sorry.

The longer answer might be to study the white paper and see if it could be possible to fit something like that in. Adjustments to the white paper are possible (though not up to me, you'd need to talk to Chris B and Andy at QMX) and you are of course completely free to accept or ignore what's in the Map or white paper as you wish. What cannot be changed now though, is the Map itself. That's a fixed (and very beautiful) piece of Geoff Mandel's artwork and revising artwork after the fact simply isn't going to happen. For fan fiction needs, I'd say just ignore inconvenient details :-)

For canon definition needs though, bear in mind that The Train Job was the second pilot and that the ringed planet and moons *just looked nice* and that's probably all there was to that shot (no map, no grand plan, no certainty of even getting the series go ahead at that stage)

My opinion is that reading definitive location information into a brief eye candy backdrop in a pilot episode, is essentially pointless.
Place the U-Day bar wherever makes sense timing wise if you must (i.e within easy reach of Ezra I imagine) and never mind about ringed planets.

That's not to say that if Serenity II for example ever eventually got made and stuff in that contradicted the Map (which would be entirely possible as it's Joss Whedon's Verse after all) that a Map 2.0 encompassing all the existing inconsistencies would not be a possible project, but it would take even longer to do! :-)

Hey, I didn't "wibble" this time at least :-)

Nick

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Originally posted by asarian:
The Serenity Blu-Ray has a Verse map too in the Alliance database (be it somewhat limited, near as I can tell). Maybe that'll help too.


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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
This map in the database does not seem to mesh with the Map of the Verse, or the White Paper. The database stuff just seems to reiterate info from the show. It's also very limited.

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I did not mean to change the Map. I meant to post in the comments of that page for the White Paper. It says it is a living document, intended to be changed and revised to correct oversights. That's from Chris B, posted there, and he's entertaining the input about Ita Moon in the comments section. I cannot post there, so I was asking if you could for me. I understand the Map is not going to be changed, that's not what I'm asking. After the White Paper has designated the locations of places like Ita Moon and the ringed world, we could just pretend the image on the Map was a side shot where the ring is invisible when in the plane of view. The White Paper, as a living document, could alter it's image to make a ringed world, I suppose - doesn't mean the Map product would need to be changed.
So, could you post for consideration of change and update, besides Ita Moon, the ringed world, plus the orbital duration of the outer 4 Suns?
I also notice they have some notes for some other data. Can you also post if they have determined locations for Kowlon Fed Base, and Kowlonshi (Kaylee's birthplace)?

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Originally posted by Lemming:


Ah. I misunderstood. My bad.

Quite right, there are no contact details for directly feeding back on the white paper, though you can always email QMX. Or possibly comment via the FireflyShipWorks site where direct comment is possible.

Sure, I can forward this on to Chris B though.

Will do.

Nick

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Originally posted by QMxAndy:
JewelStaiteFan -

I'm the admin over at the Ship Works. Why can't you post? We moderate the messages and I will admit to occasionally being a little slow approving them. But I've never prevented a post that wasn't spam-related.

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Originally posted by ElectricLion:
Jewelstaitefan, I'd put the bar in the teaser of The Train Job on St. Lucius, the third and smallest moon orbiting Beylix. Beylix is a terrestrial planet with rings -- the only one in the Verse, I think, and St. Lucius is definitely a "little moon."

When in sunny Overlook, on St. Lucius, stop in at Frank's Place, raise a glass of the local fruit wine with Frank and the gang, and toast Unification Day! (Just leave your brown coat at home.)

Chris

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Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
My only question is how long will it take to download.

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