Solar System or Universe? by JaneSays

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Solar System or Universe?

POSTED BY: JANESAYS
UPDATED: Friday, June 11, 2004 01:10
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Monday, June 7, 2004 4:50 AM

I looked around because I'm sure someone said this had been discussed at length, but couldn't find the thread. If someone wants to post a link, that would be fine.

Barring that, what is up with this debate? It seems kind of crazy to me for people to think that so many terraformed worlds could exist in one solar system. Methinks they call it the "'verse" for a reason. Heck in out of gas aren't they caught out in deep space?

So, go ahead, prove me wrong. I could have completely missed it.

Thanks,

JayneSays

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Monday, June 7, 2004 5:06 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

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Barring that, what is up with this debate?

To the best of my knowledge, it remains unresolved.

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It seems kind of crazy to me for people to think that so many terraformed worlds could exist in one solar system.

“Crazy?” Maybe. “Seems?” Maybe. “To?” Maybe.

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Methinks they call it the "'verse" for a reason. Heck in out of gas aren't they caught out in deep space?

You don’t have to leave the solar system to find deep space. We got lots of it.

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Monday, June 7, 2004 5:52 AM

BIKISDAD

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You don’t have to leave the solar system to find deep space. We got lots of it.

So true, the distances just to "close" planets like Mars are tens of millions of miles - of course, that becomes hundreds of millions when they're at the farthest reach of their orbits from us. Also, while our solar system has "only" nine planets, it also has many more potentially habitable moons around Jupiter and Saturn. There's every reason to believe that other individual solar systems could have even more habitable bodies to colonize.

Of course, we don't know the answer for sure, but there's nothing that happened during the series that would absolutely require the use/habitation of more than one solar system. So, until we find out otherwise, I'm voting for just one solar system.

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

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Monday, June 7, 2004 6:55 AM

JANESAYS

Was there ever a catalog of canon mentions in the series to support either notion? I read somewhere about a quote of "70+ earths". You aren't going to tell me you can cram 70+ earths in the habitable temperature zone around a sun, are you?

JayneSays
(Sorry this sounds irritable, but I'm just tweaked about this issue)

JayneSays

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Monday, June 7, 2004 7:10 AM

ANNIK

Now that the little 'uns are thoroughly addicted, I get to watch eps even more often than before!

Lots of mention of the 'Verse, and lots of the galaxy (in several different episodes).

I'm now of the impression that much of the galaxy is settled, but not more than one *galaxy*. Several systems.

Cheers,
Annik
... my sister's a ship. We had a complicated childhood.

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Monday, June 7, 2004 7:15 AM

CREVANREAVER

When you're dealing with terraforming the habitable temperature zone really doesn't matter that much.

Go to this thread for my explanation how this could have been done using Hans' backstory.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=3267

And by the way there is another thread discussing this same topic!

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=4&t=3465#68482

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Monday, June 7, 2004 7:17 AM

JANESAYS

Too bad we can't reach Joss to clear this up in about 10 seconds.

JayneSays

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Monday, June 7, 2004 12:43 PM

BIKISDAD

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Originally posted by JaneSays:
Was there ever a catalog of canon mentions in the series to support either notion? I read somewhere about a quote of "70+ earths". You aren't going to tell me you can cram 70+ earths in the habitable temperature zone around a sun, are you?

JayneSays
(Sorry this sounds irritable, but I'm just tweaked about this issue)

JayneSays

Why not? What if the sun is a red giant? It could have a MUCH larger habitable zone than our current sun, plus, like I said more habitable bodies (ie. moons) than just planets...

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 1:27 AM

MANTICHORUS

It isn't a single system, or the whole universe. In a deleted scene from Our Mrs Reynolds, Mal says (wording may not be exact) "There's over 70 Earths in the galaxy, and the meek haven't inherited a single one."
I think they're spread out over the galaxy, maybe only five planetary systems at most.

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"BADGER: You think you're better than other people.
MAL: Just the ones I'm better than."
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"MAL: Gotta say, doctor, your talent for alienatin' folk is near miraculous.
SIMON: Yes, I'm very proud."

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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 5:03 AM

DRACOS

My personal theory is that after Earth was abandoned the survivors mad a long haul out into a fairly newly broken up Nebula where you could have lots of new suns that have been around long enough to fully form and gather up planetoids. Since newly formed they wouldnt have been subjected to the same kind of celestial drift that pulls most suns in the galaxy apart yet. The survivors then terraformed the most likely planet they came across and branched out from there. This could explain why there are so many desert planets (Terraforming wont solve heat coming at a planet from a ot of different angles) and those really cool ripped apart CG moons that Zoic loves to do (due to comflicting gravitational forces from close proximity suns).

This solves a couple of problems with both the multiple system theory and single system theory. In the single system concept, even with terraforming, the core-worlds would be the most desolate which, as we see in Ariel and Safe, is not the case. Also the outer planets would be far more temperate and Earth-like and going out to the border-worlds where everything would be frozen (not the case a-la Whitefall).

As far as the multiple system theory goes, We've never seen anything that indicates faster than light travel which would (barring the advent of another technology) be required to move between planets in a number of days. With Serenity's fuel requirements, the disipated nebula idea makes considerable more sense as the process of "rabbiting" or doing a hard burn through what looks like to me to be a short term ion blast useing some kind of fusion reaction to give a great burst of speed that would be transfered into momentum (no friction in space) that would propel the ship through the distances between systems.

There it is. Know its not perfect but it makes a lot more sense to me than a lot of other ideas that I've heard over time. Just dont get why people get so worked up over it.

-Dracos

Dont ask me silly questions.
I wont play silly games.
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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 5:15 AM

SERGEANTX

Single system? Hell it's a single planet. In fact, most of those locations seem to have been from the same area - with a climate suspiciously similar to southern California. I think we've been duped people.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 6:27 AM

DRACOS

Zounds, Sergeant X! You've figured it out! The conspiracy is all falling into place now! Joss Whedon will pay for misleading us! He will pay!

Overdramaticaly,
-Dracos

Dont ask me silly questions.
I wont play silly games.
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Somebody tries to kill you you go ahead and try to kill them right on back!

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Friday, June 11, 2004 1:10 AM

MANTICHORUS

You mean... it's NOT a documentry?
:gasp:

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"BADGER: You think you're better than other people.
MAL: Just the ones I'm better than."
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"MAL: Gotta say, doctor, your talent for alienatin' folk is near miraculous.
SIMON: Yes, I'm very proud."

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