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Simon the Virgin Poll

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UPDATED: Tuesday, June 8, 2004 13:29
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Sunday, June 6, 2004 12:06 PM

Hey guys,

I just wanted to make a little poll about whether or not Simon is a virgin. for the first part of the poll just answer yes he's a virgin or no he's not a virgin (i want to see peoples honest opinion, without any vote swaying from other peoples desitions). then after a couple of days, we all can add our reasoning to what we believe. then take the poll again, to see if anybodie's decitions have changed!

I hope that made sense.

My Vote: Yes he's a virgin

as of Monday, June 7, 2004:

Well the votes tend to be of the No pursuation, and seeing as people are getting a might jumpy to explain their reasoning, i'm just going to let the polling end, and the argueing..er...reasoning begin.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 12:20 PM

SGTGUMP

NO

VOTE LIBERTARIAN

"What? She killed 'em with mathematics. What else could it have been?" -Jayne

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 12:23 PM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1

Quote:
Originally posted by sgtgump:
NO

I don't think he is a virgin. He seems like a pretty well rounded rich kid, which leads me to beleive he probably had a steady girlfriend in high school. I'm thinking that he lost his cherry at prom right before he went to the doctor school. He couldn't beleive it.

VOTE LIBERATRIAN

"What? She killed 'em with mathematics. What else could it have been?" -Jayne

Hey! I said only say YES or NO at first then once i tally it up, we will "argue" with our reasoning. I don't want anybody elses reasoning, swaying other voters.

would you mind editing your post and deleting your reasoning until later?

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 12:23 PM

PURPLEBELLY

definitely sexually experienced, though perhaps not with women

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 12:50 PM

BLACKSHAMROCK5

No

Shamrock
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Sunday, June 6, 2004 12:51 PM

TMURRIE

YES

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 1:00 PM

BIKISDAD

NO, NO, NO, NOT EVEN.

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 1:44 PM

GRACEOM

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 1:47 PM

DARKJESTER

No

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 1:47 PM

BECKINSALE

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 2:21 PM

RAISTLYNNE

Maybe.

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 2:26 PM

TERRIBLETINK

Yes.

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"I'll be in my bunk."

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 2:31 PM

BETHYB

No way.

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 3:04 PM

PIERSNICA

No.

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 3:13 PM

WHEDONESQUE

No, not a virgin.

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 3:41 PM

EBONEZER

It depends... I know that makes no sense, but I'll wait untill we get into arguments to tell you why.

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Four out of five dentists reccomend calling Ebo a girl.

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 3:43 PM

DAVCO92

Do hamsters count? J/K No.

Burn the land, boil the sea...

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 3:47 PM

SIKKUKUT

Not so much, says I. Can't wait to discuss reasoning.

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 3:53 PM

SHINYSEVEN

NO!!!!!!

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 4:11 PM

ZOID

Virgin, as in look up 'virgin' in the dictionary and there's a picture of Simon alongside the entry.

zoid

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 4:17 PM

JEBBYPAL

Nope

The Strawberry Monkey
http://p221.ezboard.com/bfireflyfanficawards

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 4:27 PM

MISSAYATAM

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 4:57 PM

FILMGODDESS

No

"You can't take the sky from me."

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 5:33 PM

ELWOODMOM

Yes, unless you count his hand...in that case, no.

My vote is yes, he's a virgin.

(Cute poll, Howdy!)

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 6:16 PM

DITHER

Simon, the virgin pole.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I vote no.

"That's why I never kiss 'em on the mouth."

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Sunday, June 6, 2004 10:38 PM

WREN

Quote:
Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
Quote:
Originally posted by sgtgump: (quote edited)

Hey! I said only say YES or NO at first then once i tally it up, we will "argue" with our reasoning. I don't want anybody elses reasoning, swaying other voters.

would you mind editing your post and deleting your reasoning until later?

Erm, what is the point in asking sgtgump to edit his post when you quote it in yours?

No (but I may have been influenced by reading what sgtgump said so I'm not sure you should count my vote )

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Monday, June 7, 2004 12:42 AM

SPOOKYJESUS

I'm going with yes - 'cause it'd be funny and sweet and suit the frontier nerd kind of vibe he's got going on.

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Monday, June 7, 2004 1:06 AM

KARENKAY99

no

"They say the snow on the roof is too heavy. They say the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger."

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Monday, June 7, 2004 1:39 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Yes.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Monday, June 7, 2004 4:24 AM

LIZ

Yes.

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Monday, June 7, 2004 6:54 AM

NICOLACLARKE

Yes.

/ pure intentions, juxtaposed /

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Monday, June 7, 2004 7:44 AM

WILDHEAVENFARM

No, I don't think he is. I think he got some, maybe only once, a loooong time ago, and it probably wasn't very good. Then he became consumed with medicine and forgot all about it. I say this as the proud deflowerer of a 22 yr old virgin.

Also, and I know these may be fighting words, does anyone else think Sean Maher is gay? I saw his interview snippets in the making-of piece on the dvd and I immediately though, "If only I could introduce him to my friend Nathan."

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Monday, June 7, 2004 8:33 AM

KALATHENA

Oh c'mon. I don't believe ANYONE over the age of 16 is a virgin unless they tell me otherwise. To write a mid-20's character who is a virgin would be rediculous, unless there was some aspect critical to their character that made it the truth. Things like childhood trauma/abuse, a spiritual vow of some sort, etc.

It would be an extremely unrealistic character if he was.

--Kala

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Monday, June 7, 2004 8:53 AM

REKKA2

So does that make me an exception, the rule, or just lame?

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Monday, June 7, 2004 9:49 AM

PURPLEBELLY

Quote:
Originally posted by WildHeavenFarm:
does anyone else think Sean Maher is gay?

Here's me thinking that his portrayal of Simon as gay was so convincing because of his acting skills

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Monday, June 7, 2004 9:51 AM

SPLIBERTARIAN

Simon a virgin? I'm guessing no.

Quote:

I don't believe ANYONE over the age of 16 is a virgin unless they tell me otherwise.

Considering that most virgins don't prance about proclaiming their virginity, I imagine you know many more virgins than you think.

Then again, there is the Clinton Legacy...

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Monday, June 7, 2004 10:35 AM

WILDHEAVENFARM

I've known several guys who were virgins past the drinking age. Of course, they also spent a lot of time playing Dungeons & Dragons and Vampire: The Masquerade. I'm pretty sure that factors in heavily.

And remember what Inara said, virginity is just one state of being.

Quote:
Originally posted by kalathena:
Oh c'mon. I don't believe ANYONE over the age of 16 is a virgin unless they tell me otherwise. To write a mid-20's character who is a virgin would be rediculous, unless there was some aspect critical to their character that made it the truth. Things like childhood trauma/abuse, a spiritual vow of some sort, etc.

It would be an extremely unrealistic character if he was.

--Kala

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Monday, June 7, 2004 7:35 PM

CAGEYBEE

i think no....and hope to survive to explain my reasoning. which i'm sure is consistent with quite a few others in here. i'm a popular theroist.

me
the queen of the obscure

~Mal- "how drunk was i last night?"
~Jayne- "i don't know. i passed out."

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Monday, June 7, 2004 8:25 PM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1

just thought i'd give this thread a little bump, so everybody knows, that the reasoning can now begin.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

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Monday, June 7, 2004 10:24 PM

RUTHIE

My vote is for yes -

and as I seem to be the first to post after 'official' permission to reason, here's why...

I was watching Shindig last night.
I think that episode gives an insight into Simon's cultural background - similar to the 'posh' people at the ball.

Remember the old gentleman's comment to nasty Banning, about a wink of a schoolboy's eye being all the time needed to get her out of her dress?
And how offended she was by that comment?

That's the attitude to 'unsanctioned' sex that Simon would have been brought up with - but even more so, because I'm sure that the 'gentlefolk' of the core planets would consider even the elite of Persephone as provincial mudboots.

Simon seems, at heart, a conformist, who actually believed and valued his upbringing, until the need to rescue River thrust him into extreme behaviour. So, through his time at school, medical training, and working as a doctor, he would have behaved as a perfect gentleman towards women.

We're talking Jane Austin values - a kiss is as far as it's permitted to go before marriage, and even that's a bit risky.

Since being on Serenity, Simon may have started to re-think his pre-formed values - but no more than that. He's attracted to Kaylee, but is trying to exhibit that attraction according to his rules - while being bright enough to realise that Kaylee operates by quite different rules. So he's trying to be gentleman enough for both of them.

I think that, as the series progressed (if it had ...

Fox... ) we would have seen Simon and Kaylee together - in a moment VERY meaningful for Simon, and far less significant for Kaylee - which would have led to further story lines of just the type of stereotype reversal that JW likes so much.

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Ruthie
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By the data to date, there is only one animal in the Galaxy dangerous to man - man himself. So he must supply his own indispensable competition. He has no enemy to help him. (R.A.Heinlein)

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Monday, June 7, 2004 11:02 PM

PURPLEBELLY

Quote:
Originally posted by Ruthie:
So, through his time at school, medical training, and working as a doctor, he would have behaved as a perfect gentleman towards women.

Perhaps we should ask someone who knows what goes on at an English private school. Mr. Whedon, know someone with that experience?

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Tuesday, June 8, 2004 12:04 AM

NUISANCE

Quote:
Remember the old gentleman's comment to nasty Banning, about a wink of a schoolboy's eye being all the time needed to get her out of her dress?
And how offended she was by that comment?

I think Banning reacted in such a way because the gentleman was calling her a slut. I don't know if she was offended because it's true or because it's false.

Anyway my vote on Simon: not a virgin.

I think his romance with Kaylee was proceeding slowly due to the uncertainty of his future and his preoccupation with his sister's health. Another relevant factor could be his talent for saying the wrong thing at the crucial moment.

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Tuesday, June 8, 2004 6:35 AM

GRACEOM

I doubt Simon's a virgin because:

He's a very good looking man--handsome face, nice physique. He may have an awkward personality, but he's not a jerk. As a medical student/young doctor, coming from a "good" family, with great prospects for the future...*many* women would happily overlook his lack of social smoothness. Indeed, some might consider it an asset. Women would have been all over him.

And his social awkwardness is not entirely divorced from his current circumstances. He doesn't know how to talk to Kaylee or most of the other members of Serenity's crew; he's a fish out of water in their world (though he is adapting). But remember the Simon of "Ariel"? In his environment, he was deciscive, commanding, and competent, perhaps even brilliant. His colleagues--the female doctors, med students, nurses...this is the Simon they would have seen on a daily basis.

And while it's Simon we see putting his foot in his mouth with Kaylee, a smoother, more confident girl wouldn't have much trouble guiding him right past his faux pas. Kaylee is insecure with him as well. She fears he looks down on her, so when he says something stupid she gets hurt, instead of seeing through his moments of oafishness.

I expect he might have had some difficulty maintaining lasting relationships, but that's a different question...

Grace

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Tuesday, June 8, 2004 6:46 AM

SHINYSEVEN

I agree with Grace--I'd certainly believe it if the question was whether Simon had ever had a relationship that lasted more than about six weeks (21 Jump Street flashback here...). But I'm sure he's been serially dated and dumped by about half the hospital staff everyplace that he's ever worked.

I'm still trying to work out whether "heterosexuality" "homosexuality" and "bisexuality" are concepts that have any meaning at all in the 'Verse so "about half the hospital staff" could mean various things.

And I'm still not sure if they're working off the same Bible we are (I assume Saffron was making that stuff up instead of quoting the official version) but I think it's at least a hint that although their relationship is far from perfect, Simon and Kaylee have been sexually intimate at least once. "Opened her feet" is an Old Testament metaphor for "got busy" and "bare feet" is a metaphor for "naked."

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Tuesday, June 8, 2004 7:22 AM

REKKA2

When I think of Simon "getting his moves on" somehow i get the picture of winthorp in the movie "Trading Places"...anyone else agree? Im thinking of before he lost his job and everything, him and his girlfriend Penelope.

Anyone else agree?

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Tuesday, June 8, 2004 7:27 AM

KALATHENA

Quote:
Considering that most virgins don't prance about proclaiming their virginity, I imagine you know many more virgins than you think.

I don't doubt that either. My beliefs are based on stats. Statistically speaking, as of the mid-90s I believe the average age for males losing their virginity was up to something like 14.5 (up from 13.5 in the late 80s.)

And no, I wouldn't think anyone who is an exception to the rule is lame. I was WAY above the average myself.

--Kala

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Tuesday, June 8, 2004 7:29 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL

No. He would have been quite the catch back in the core. I think he did his best to be the son he was expected to be. This means he dated the right girls. It may also mean that the right girls did not do such things and he was expected to rely on other girls/boys or companions for sex.

I do wonder about jaynestown though. If that guy could be 26 and a virgin, Simon could too.

Quote:
Originally posted by kalathena:
Oh c'mon. I don't believe ANYONE over the age of 16 is a virgin...

I was a virgin in high school and college. I know lots of 20 somethings that are virgins. I know many teens that are virgins too.

www.thatweirdgirl.com

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Tuesday, June 8, 2004 8:16 AM

NUR

No. And I'm not going to explain because everyone before me who also voted no has already wonderfully articulated why.

http://www.thecherryorchard.net

Those who restrain desire, do so because thiers is weak enough to be restrained.
-William Blake

O my Lord! bestow wisdom on me, and join me with the righteous.
-Qur'an 26:83

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Tuesday, June 8, 2004 9:06 AM

LIZ

I still think that he's a virgin. He strikes me as the type of guy who would be waiting for the right girl and when he found her, he'd marry her and then they would have all the fun they want! He's always seemed at least respectful of Book's prayers and perhaps more than that. If he was raised with the religion that Book follows then he probably would have been expected to follow the ideals of no sex before marriage. Since Simon has proven himself to be an obedient son (until River was in trouble) i think he would be obedient to the mores of his society in this way as well. After all, just because women (and possibly men) are throwing themselves at him doesn't mean that he would have to give into them.
I know that i'm losing this debate but, in the immortal words of our own Malcolm Reynolds, "May have been the losing side... still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Tuesday, June 8, 2004 11:44 AM

NEDWARD

Probably yes. I agree with the multiple reasoning as to why he might not be, but I just have this inkling, y'know?

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