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I honestly think it's purely a matter of literary device here. . .

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The crew just don't seem the farmin' type to me.

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'hatchet, axe and saw' (extra credit for anyone naming that song).

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That's OK Zoid, I read my copy of "The National Midnight Star" every day at work. I'll let someone else answer the question directly. Exit Stage Left......

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Zoid,

Great post. Oh, by the way, the song is "The Trees" by Rush. Where's my ex-cred? Gimme. Gimme. Gimme. Woo-Hoo!

Sorry - got a little carried away there.

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

EDIT: Aw, shucks. DarkJester beat me to it. Good way to reference it without giving it away. I should have done something like that rather than just blurting it out. Sorry.

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Originally posted by zoid:

Browncoats:

Great thread, Bleyddynn! Never really thought about it before, but since I think BlueSun is to Alliance as TRW+Big Oil+JW Reynolds+Microsoft+WalMart is to US Govt, I've been giving it some thought.

Did anyone know tobacco comes from seeds? Has anyone ever seen a seed in their tobacco products? Know why? The Tobacco Cartel don't want their addicts growing their own. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it's not actually against the law to possess tobacco seeds.
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Originally posted by Bleyddyn:
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Not-so-lesser: Serenity seems to have a lot of extra power and a fair amount of internal space, and fresh foods seem to hold a lot of value for the crew, so why don't they have a small hydroponics setup? I doubt they'd want to turn too much of their cargo space over to it but with the right equipment (high intensity lamps, sensors for nutrient balancing) you can actually grow a lot of food in a small space. It shouldn't be too expensive to get started; lights and nutrient handling being the biggest expenses, the rest can be cheap plumbing. Ongoing expenses should be negligible if they recycle, errr, nutrients, otherwise they would need to buy fertilizer every now and then.

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Originally posted by zoid:

Browncoats:

Great thread, Bleyddynn! Never really thought about it before, but since I think BlueSun is to Alliance as TRW+Big Oil+JW Reynolds+Microsoft+WalMart is to US Govt, I've been giving it some thought.

/BDid anyone know tobacco comes from seeds? Has anyone ever seen a seed in their tobacco products? Know why? The Tobacco Cartel don't want their addicts growing their own. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it's not actually against the law to possess tobacco seeds.?Quote

On a related note, this is the sole reason I've always supported the legalization of marijuana. Legalize it, turn it over to the Tobacco Companies (whereupon they remove all the seeds, and there's no 'street market'), illegalize tobacco, make it illegal to sell to marijuana to minors, tax the crap out of it and sell it for $5 for a pkg of 5 cigarettes. Drug dealers go out of business. Public coffers are full. Medical care and insurance systems stabilize because lots less people are dying of cancer (they're still dying, just of less expensive causes, like old age and heart disease).

Everything's fixed all at once. (As if...)

Still, projecting that business model, might it be possible that Alliance/BlueSun control seeds by selling seedless watermelons, tomatoes, cucumbers, beef, etc? (Get it? 'Seedless beef': they'll sell you a herd, but not an un-neutered herd)...

Here's the script segment from 'Bushwhacked'. Please note that these were rich settlers; Mal comments that the stores aboard the ship were worth "a fortune":

MAL
Here. Genseed, protein, crop supplements.
Everything a growing family needs to make
a fresh start on a new world.
ZOE
Hard subsidies for fourteen-plus families.
That's...

MAL
About a fortune. Forget the rest, we just
take this stuff. We're going to need a
hand hauling it out of here. (END Snippet)

So what is "genseed"? Genetically-engineered? Yeah, so? All the crops we grow in America these days are genetically-engineered. Unless maybe the designers have also made the produce reproductively sterile? Hmmm, I dunno.

My wife grows strawberries alongside our house (her name is Kayley, BTW). Thing with strawberries is, once you get 'em growing, just try stopping 'em. Even accounting for attrition by avifauna (um, that's zoidspeak for 'birds eat them'), we've got plenty for our needs and still have to give excess fruit to friends, family, neighbors, strangers walking down the street... well, you get the idea. All one needs is a scion -- say, an arm's length of 'runner' vine -- and the thing'll take over your garden (hell, your whole neighborhood) within two years, if you're not vigiliant with 'hatchet, axe and saw' (extra credit for anyone naming that song).

Point is, how come Kaylee (Firefly's, not mine) acts like a single strawberry is the Holy Grail? (and vibrating, at that) I mean, I believe Joss never does anything casually. He's got a reason for all this stuff. You think, "Ah-hah! I caught him in a mistake!", and then he comes back and flogs you with it.

One last thing to keep you thinking on this. In the opening scene of 'Serenity, Part I', we see our daring swashbucklers, our brigands, our pirates, our evil-doing highwaymen picking the bones of a derelict ship. The Cruiser Captain is about to sic his fighters on our "scavengers", before the wily ploy of a transmitter-laden BlueSun coffee can (yes, watch it again, it says 'BlueSun' right on the side, with 'Cry-Baby' taped onto it) decoys them away, letting our blood-thirsty cutthroats make good their escape.

Now skip all the intervening 1 hour and 30-some minutes, to the meeting on Whitefall. What have they so cunningly stolen from under the very noses of the Alliance?

FOOD.

Same thing in 'Bushwhacked'. The Cruiser Captain lets our desperados go, but keeps their swag. What was it? Family heirloom china and silver? Great-Great-Great-Grandma's platinum wedding ring?

FOOD.

Gotta give 'em credit, Alliance/BlueSun know the way to their subjects' hearts: through their stomachs.

And give Joss credit, too. If he does it once, it might be a mistake. If he does it twice, or continually, I'm thinkin' he's loading up a big haymaker he's getting ready to land, once you're properly distracted by the little jabs.


Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
How pissed do you think the recovery crew from that scene in 'Serenity Pt. 1' were, when they rushed out to the rescue of a coffee can with 'Cry-Baby' written on athletic tape stuck to it?
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Point is, how come Kaylee (Firefly's, not mine) acts like a single strawberry is the Holy Grail? (and vibrating, at that) I mean, I believe Joss never does anything casually. He's got a reason for all this stuff. You think, "Ah-hah! I caught him in a mistake!", and then he comes back and flogs you with it.

One last thing to keep you thinking on this. In the opening scene of 'Serenity, Part I', we see our daring swashbucklers, our brigands, our pirates, our evil-doing highwaymen picking the bones of a derelict ship. The Cruiser Captain is about to sic his fighters on our "scavengers", before the wily ploy of a transmitter-laden BlueSun coffee can (yes, watch it again, it says 'BlueSun' right on the side, with 'Cry-Baby' taped onto it) decoys them away, letting our blood-thirsty cutthroats make good their escape.

Now skip all the intervening 1 hour and 30-some minutes, to the meeting on Whitefall. What have they so cunningly stolen from under the very noses of the Alliance?

FOOD.

Same thing in 'Bushwhacked'. The Cruiser Captain lets our desperados go, but keeps their swag. What was it? Family heirloom china and silver? Great-Great-Great-Grandma's platinum wedding ring?

FOOD.

Gotta give 'em credit, Alliance/BlueSun know the way to their subjects' hearts: through their stomachs.

And give Joss credit, too. If he does it once, it might be a mistake. If he does it twice, or continually, I'm thinkin' he's loading up a big haymaker he's getting ready to land, once you're properly distracted by the little jabs.

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