Imponderables- That Girl ( or guy) by MsA

Yeah, um, do it. Or don't.

Huh?

I need some lunch soon. Bologna sandwich makes me happy.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:26 AM

haha how did I become the topic?

I agree more with NVG there's no real right or wrong. Or at least there's no way to know ahead of time.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:32 AM

Ummm I beg to differ. If you spend more time dealing with her issues than you do anything else WARNING!! If she can't seem to commit to anything including a time...WARNING! IF she has a long string of previous boyfriends all of whom she describes in hateful terms WARNING!!! If she has more than one kid with more than one partner WARNING! If she seems to thrive on fighting, drama, and switches friends faster than socks WARNING!!
If no warning signs are present... feel free to proceed.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
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It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:51 AM

Right or wrong girl, yes. Right or wrong action to take regarding girl, no.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:57 AM

Also, warning if she doesn't treat you with love and respect (aka if she takes you for granted), and warning if she's excessively clingy.

Just needed to mention those...

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:08 AM

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Originally posted by LeopardFlan:
Also, warning if she doesn't treat you with love and respect (aka if she takes you for granted), and warning if she's excessively clingy.

Just needed to mention those...

Kinda general ther LF. Is there a middle ground you might point out to those of us who don't comprehend Womanese?

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:52 AM

excessively clingy- where are you going? what time will you be home, can I call you( and then calls you over and over while you're with other people), come over and hang out with me all the time, don't go hang out with your friends, don't you just want to spend every minute together, sit by me, hold my hand constantly, never look at anyone else, ( think Milo in human girl form)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
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It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56 AM

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Originally posted by MsA:
excessively clingy- where are you going? what time will you be home, can I call you( and then calls you over and over while you're with other people), come over and hang out with me all the time, don't go hang out with your friends, don't you just want to spend every minute together, sit by me, hold my hand constantly, never look at anyone else, ( think Milo in human girl form)

Yeah but how hot is she?

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:25 AM

Oh no... you're using the Barney hot/crazy scale....

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:32 AM

Even that fails to over ride so may default settings of "them".

I was talking about the wide spectrum between overly clingy and taking for granted. That statement in itself describes the wide spectrum of thinking men fail to comprehend (sometimes by choice). I know I have given up all together trying to fill that spectrum with logic. Some people cannot communicate precisley what they want and opt to get angry because others fail to read their minds.

Men are not mind readers (as MSA loves to point out when some princess goes off about stupid stuff on TV). For my sanity I have to turn off the behavior/communication scanner constantly. It becomes tedious, trying to read and calculate the actions and intentions of others. No more mind reading here. It has come to where I state my observations to people as the talk any more.

Tired of wasting time on sideline B.S. Many women REALLY hate that.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:33 AM

Of course. Why is there something wrong with the hot/crazy scale?

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:34 AM

??? I made perfect sense... thanks for giving him a translation, MSA ^.^

And what is this 'Barny Hot/Crazy scale'?

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:47 AM

A female's craziness shall be put up with if and only if her craziness is less than or equal to her hotness.

I think Britney is a very good example. She initially started out very hot and not too crazy. However, as time went on her hotness decreased and her craziness increased. She past the inflection point and was no longer worthy of male attention.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:50 AM

Ah, that makes sense. Though that means I'll probably be single for all of my life... heh.

And who's Britany?

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 11:10 AM

You are young LF. It is the 20-30 something "girls" who act like fate, god, men, and the world owe them something for their mere presence. If you wish to live in a better way, use them as examples. Bad, bad examples. It is a stigma of generations. Even "women" suffer from that stigma. Honestly, there is more of a maturity issue than an age one. Insecurity also helps to define this stigma further. Be leary of those moms who shop with their daughters and seem to dress in a similarly slutty manner. Watch out for men who revolve around those type. And check yourself from time to time. If you find you may have compromised yourself and/or your beliefs for negative attention from males (especially considerably older ones) then the Princess Factor may have surfaced.

Not exactly where the single comment came from.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 11:16 AM

I'm pretty sure they meant Britney Spears...

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 11:20 AM

Heh. (my personal opinion is that bitchy girls that think they 'deserve' it all because they're them need to be shot, for giving a bad name to the rest of us girls)

And the single comment is because I'm way crazy, and nowhere near hot :P

And.. oh yeah, isn't she the one on covers of magazines, that had to be hospitalized? (I read the covers of magazines in the check-out lines... boredom drives ya to great lengths)

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:10 PM

Well god knows I'm a nut job. But at least I admit it.

I'm probably going to get in trouble for this post but I think most women have some sort of "crazy" trait.
We all tend to get a little neurotic or emotional. And I'm not talking about when we have our monthly friend.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:27 PM

It is the offset to the male "plays dumb to ignore the issue" and "doesn't have a clue when it comes to women" genetic strain. Large, small, medium, brown, white, black, strait, or gay all men have this problem. They also come with the "can't find it despite it being right in front of him" gene. That one bugs me, mostly because I do it all the time. I know what I'm looking for. Color, shape, weight, specifications, and purpose are clear in my mind. But whatever it is I can't find the gorram thing. Sometimes whatever I lost is right in my hands and occasionally on my head (my hat is good at hiding for some reason).

I think they are the awkward balances men and women have. Without the balances and interlocking genitals why would they even need each other.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 1:08 PM

FREELANCERTEX

*is catching up on the conversation)

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Originally posted by NVGhostRider: It is the 20-30 something "girls" who act like fate, god, men, and the world owe them something for their mere presence.

LOLZ!!! i *love* those girls XD

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Originally posted by AVeryFineCompanion: I'm probably going to get in trouble for this post but I think most women have some sort of "crazy" trait.

no trouble, it's what Martha said in the season finale of Castle when Alexis was trying on prom dresses. It's just one small example of the crazyness complex :P

RF: Barney is from How I Met Your Mother (most ppl here refer to it as HIMYM); he's that guy who thinks he's such a great womanizer and has rules about women (such as the one Zeek quoted) and can cite the Bro Code verbatim from memory. on top of that he's hilarious XD of course its NPH so how can you go wrong?

I had a ponder..but i forgot it ><;;

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 1:41 PM

Okay, kinda miffed at some of the customer reviews over at Amazon on one of my favorite movies of all time.
http://www.amazon.com/Merlin-Special-Sam-Neill/dp/B0002235PS/ref=sr_1_
1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1243985236&sr=1-1

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Allah forbid someone decides to change the viewpoints of history by seeing it through the eyes of others. Oh noes, Arthur isn't the righteous hero depicted throughout countless lore and sources of media.

Besides, I thought the character Merlin himself was missing some vital sanity programming explaining the whimsical telling of the story.

Wasn't this telling the telling of a feeble old story teller suffering from hunger and possibly dementia? The telling of his story and the lessons taught about human nature far outweigh any Arthurian ego fluffing many of the reviewers referance.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 1:49 PM

well clearly Amazon sucks... 'cause it's an awesome movie and the only movie with Martin Short where I have not been seized with a fierce desire to smack him...

I actually think clingy and taking you for granted as the same thing. It's clearly communicating that other peoples wishes and needs mean nothing to you and that you are self absorbed. If all you worry about in a relationship is who is doing what for YOU... bad thing! Also if you are score keeping... well I picked up your drycleaning so you should have to cook dinner... not good. This is not about some sort of balance sheet where every deed good or bad is recorded and expected to be balanced by action of the other... It's about each of you working to make the other person as happy as they make you. It's thinking first " how can I help or take care of them" because you know that's what they are thinking about you.

and on that note best relationship advice ever ( from my grandmother who had been married 57 years when she died)
"The only expectation you should have is that each of you will try to do better tomorrow."

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:35 PM

FREELANCERTEX

i like that little tidbit. :P your grandmother was a smart lady ^_^

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 5:32 AM

Wednesday morning. Almost halfway there.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 5:57 AM

OK you can all pity NV 'cause halfway there means we are this much closer to driving 500+ miles so he can attend a Princess Jasmine birthday party.... and he's being such a good sport.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:40 AM

*feels extreme pity*

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:41 AM

RUGBUG

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Originally posted by MsA:
OK you can all pity NV 'cause halfway there means we are this much closer to driving 500+ miles so he can attend a Princess Jasmine birthday party....

The man must really love you. :D

I've got a drive ahead of me this weekend as well. I'm sooooo not looking forward to it. I'm trying to figure if I'm going to go to San Diego and back in one day or two. Ugh.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:22 AM

STEAMER

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
A female's craziness shall be put up with if and only if her craziness is less than or equal to her hotness.

Now see, in my opinion, a female's hotness is like dessert: it's sweet and yummy and nice to have, but it is really not necessary. In fact, in most cases, it perpetuates the theory of deceptive appearances. The way I see it, a female's craziness can and will be put up with as long as she doesn't direct it at the male in a 350-pound-per-square-inch stream of boiling hot water. Why is this the way I see it? Because I've been on the receiving end of it in recent months, and cannot help but resent being blamed and begrudged for everything when it should be just as easy - if not easier - to forgive and forget some things.

Mal and Monty
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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 8:08 AM

Yeah, but where's the fun in that? Anger gives a guy motivation to find more fun and fulfilling pursuits (and a good reason to increase his tolerance to alcohol). There is no reason why anyone should put up with a crazy bitches (there are more male bitches IMHO, this is not a gender referance).

San Diego 'Bug? That is a long freakin' drive. I'm one to consider stopping if the drive is over seven or eight hours. This has not always been so. But then again I used to be younger, smoked, drank real soda, and was a bit more caring (read as stupid).

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 8:12 AM

HUGS Steamer.. just another reason why you're one of my heroes:)

NV You are very caring... and real soda and smoking are bad for you:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 8:18 AM

Play your music/movies/tv shows/etc for a month, then let your prospective mate do the same. If either of you is going nuts before the time has elapsed, imagine it going on for YEARS. Seriously.

Discuss all of the hotbutton issues. Politics, abortion, gun control ("Nice group Dear, but the third round was a bit high & right"), gay rights, could Naruto beat River in a stand-up fight, would Wash & Zoe's kids be warriors or comics or some sort of hybrid wise-cracking skull crushers?. Make sure you're truly compatible, or at least both willing to "not go there."

Beauty is fleeting. I'm not knocking it, I like the pretties as much as anyone, but it isn't forever.
Compatibility, personality, attitude.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:34 AM

Ooh so wise... so very wise
HUGS Flattop... so good to see you:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:34 AM

Heya Flattop. Good to see ya about. I especially love the "high and to the right" example.

So I (insert shameless plug here) listen to the Bomshelter, a local underground hip hop radio show on a regular basis. It airs Sunday night from 10PM to 1 AM so it is a bit difficult to catch it when it is on most times. Luckily they have the shows recorded online so they can be streamed or downloaded on an Ipod.
http://www.forhiphop.com/thebombshelter/
So this song:

has been playing for a few shows now.

Select to view spoiler:

I was blown away at the incredible arrangement. Melodic and beautiful, then twisted/creepy/scary as the song progresses. Funny how infatuation can go one way or the other.

Comments?

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:50 AM

Thanks guys. It's nice to see you too.

Gun control means hitting your target eh NVG?

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:55 AM

LOL Flattop someone asked about my zombie plan and I said it was very simple

" Hey babe there are some zombies on the lawn.. can you grab your rifle and deal with them? Thanks:)"

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 10:14 AM

That sounds just like Mrs. Me's Zombie Plan! *LOL*

Left4Dead is a simulator, not 'just' a video game

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 10:50 AM

RUGBUG

Quote:
Originally posted by Steamer:

Now see, in my opinion, a female's hotness is like dessert: it's sweet and yummy and nice to have, but it is really not necessary.

Sure, hotness is bonus...but attraction is a must. Hotness won't sustain attraction, but inital attraction is often a factor of hotness.

Of course, hotness is also relative. One person's hot is another's not.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 10:58 AM

Oh totally.. I know loads of women who get all gushy over Orlando Bloom and all I see is a guy who's a dress and a pair of falsies away from being a woman.

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by RugBug:
Of course, hotness is also relative. One person's hot is another's not.

Yep and they don't have to be super model hot....unless they're really crazy.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by MsA:
Oh totally.. I know loads of women who get all gushy over Orlando Bloom and all I see is a guy who's a dress and a pair of falsies away from being a woman.

:P -blows raspberry-

No, I don't get all gushy (because I know next to nothing about him), but I still think he's hot...

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:43 PM

for a girl

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
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It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:50 PM

He looks elegant, not girly. I bet you think manga guys look like girls too, don't you :P

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 3:08 PM

ZEROKIRYU

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Originally posted by LeopardFlan:
He looks elegant, not girly. I bet you think manga guys look like girls too, don't you :P

They do, or at least a good chunk of them do.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 3:38 PM

-rolls eyes- my point proven :P

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 4:11 PM

ZEROKIRYU

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Originally posted by LeopardFlan:
-rolls eyes- my point proven :P

Would you like examples? Cause I can pretty much guarantee that I've been reading manga and watching anime far longer than you have.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 4:22 PM

My rule is I don't go for guys who are prettier then I am....

Orlando being one of them.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 4:37 PM

Oh right, there was a subject to this thread.

There has to be chemistry. You get close to each other & being rational isn't so important anymore, looks are about meaningless (especially once the lights are out). If (s)he can make your heart beat faster, your hormones surge, and you're still compatible the day after... Count yourself lucky, and do what you can to keep this one.

Long ago, I knew a few beautiful women that were high on the Hot scale & low on the Crazy scale, both of us single & willing, but we just didn't make that chemical connection so things never went anywhere. Great to hang out with, but that was about all, they were just one of the group y'know?

There has to be more of course (see previous posts), but without chemistry, you might as well be living with a sibling.

I wonder if that's nature's way of keeping genetically incompatible folk from getting together (or if the chemistry (genetics) is bang on, encouraging getting together)?

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Wednesday, June 3, 2009 4:40 PM

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Originally posted by zerokiryu:
Quote:
Originally posted by LeopardFlan:
-rolls eyes- my point proven :P

Would you like examples? Cause I can pretty much guarantee that I've been reading manga and watching anime far longer than you have.

Well, I know people think they look like girls (which I think is pretty much plain retarded- it's pretty damn easy to tell most times), but yeah, I've seen especially girly guys drawn...

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