Vote for Firefly (If you don't, who will?)! XXIII by FlatTop

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."

Firsties!!!!
Just bumping the new thread, voted!

Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion

Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:28 AM

We are rocking (just barely, Summer could use some help)

Serenity
133 35.2%
Star Wars
131 34.7%

Firefly
83 23.8%
Babylon 5
79 22.6%

Nathan Fillion
68 40.7%
Richard Dean Anderson
67 40.1%

Lucy Lawless
204 39.8%
Bridget Regan
157 30.7%
Summer Glau
76 14.8%

help out at
www.moviespeople.com/top-movies.html

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Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:53 PM

Late night (for me anyway) bump to the top of the board.

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Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:20 AM

Poor Summer, getting beat up by someone from Legend of the Seeker. Oh, the horror.

Help her out at
www.moviespeople.com/top-movies.html

Serenity
144 36.3%
Star Wars
139 35%

Firefly
91 25%
Babylon 5
85 23.4%

Nathan Fillion
76 41.8%
Richard Dean Anderson
73 40.1%

Lucy Lawless
205 39.2%
Bridget Regan
159 30.4%
Summer Glau
83 15.9%

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Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:26 AM

KC5F

And while you're there...

Top Sci-Fi & Fantasy Director

George Lucas
69 43.9%
Joss Whedon
60 38.2%

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Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:18 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Browncoats sure are prolific, ain't we? I tried; got about halfway down the list, but don't want to join sites just to vote...I get too much unsolicited e-mail crap. But I voted for all the free ones, and had to smile at all the ones where Browncoats are ahead...WAY ahead!

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Together we are greater than the sum of our parts

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Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:16 AM

KRALIZEC

VUMP. My god, what happened at tv tally?

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Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:02 PM

http://www.moviespeople.com/top-movies.html
Serenity 153 37.6%
Star Wars 140 34.4%

Firefly 98 26.3%
Babylon 5 86 23.1%

Nathan Fillion 83 43.7%
Richard Dean Anderson 74 38.9%

"Once you've been to Serenity Valley, you never leave. You just learn to live there."

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Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:52 PM

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."

Quote:
Originally posted by kralizec:

VUMP. My god, what happened at tv tally?

JMHO,...I 'think' Jericho may have gotten caught cheating,....maybe??? Or they all decide it was below them to continue, who knows?

voted and bumped!

Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion

Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:13 AM

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Originally posted by fillygirl:
Quote:
Originally posted by kralizec:

VUMP. My god, what happened at tv tally?

JMHO,...I 'think' Jericho may have gotten caught cheating,....maybe??? Or they all decide it was below them to continue, who knows?

That's pretty funny.

Lookin' at the new totals over there, I can't help but remember 'back in the day' when we could generate more legitimate votes in a day than anybody but Firefly has as a total right now.
Ah well. (cue John Mellankamp's 'Glory Days')

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Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:34 AM

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."

Well FT, you and I know that when Ray left people who thought cheating was okay and encouraged it were running this thread, and lots of people, (me included) stopped posting and voting. I would rather just have fun and help FF/S get a little more attention.

voted on the others I missed earlier......:)

Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion

Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:48 AM

Serenity 160 38.5%
Star Wars 142 34.1%

Firefly 103 27.2%
Babylon 5 88 23.2%

Moving right along, legitimately. Lovin' it.

"It's my very favorite gun. I call it Vera."

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Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:40 AM

Actually, www.moviespeople.com/top-movies.html can be "hacked" using the multiple proxies approach, but no one seems to be doing that. Except, maybe, Lucy Lawless fans.

Yeah, I tried it once, just to see if they had any defense against proxies (is there any?)

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Friday, August 28, 2009 3:45 AM

Still voting at Moviepeoples. We are staying ahead and it's great.

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Friday, August 28, 2009 7:26 AM

Except for the Summer vote. That damn Lawless woman again.

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Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:08 AM

FillyGirl - True, true. Once TVVote closed down, it took the wind from our sails.

For those that are too new here (and several have been here for a while now, but are still new enough) to remember the epic battle that was TVVote (follow the Previous Thread links far enough & you'll find start finding charts & graphs. Once you find 'em, go back another two years or so...). TVVote is the best poll to have been operated to date. Rich (site operator) had the poll locked down tight. Rules violations were dealt with as quickly as he found them (votes didn't get counted, ip's got banned, etc.). He updated the poll numbers once a day, and then only after he'd reviewed them to scrub for cheaters.

We Browncoats are a small, highly motivated, and dare I say honorable group that are willing to take on all comers in any contest that requires fanaticism vs ability to cheat a given system. There have been some dark times during which there was no place for folk like us to move about at all (all available polls were easily hacked), and many regulars have become less so.

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Originally posted by Suasor:
Actually, www.moviespeople.com/top-movies.html can be "hacked" using the multiple proxies approach, but no one seems to be doing that. Except, maybe, Lucy Lawless fans.

Yeah, I tried it once, just to see if they had any defense against proxies (is there any?)

One of the counter measures I'm familiar with is scrubbing the ip addresses that are being voted from. If you consistently get the same addresses coming in in the same order, it's a hack. I'm sure that there are others, but Rich never divulged them to me.

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Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:14 AM

Hear ye, hear ye!
The first post in the thread strikes me as being a bit... much.
I'm thinking perhaps create a "Place holder thread" that will contain all of the many & various links to PlacesToVote (that will be linked to in every "new" thread), and using the first post in the thread to hold only the active, minimal cheating, multiple vote thread(s) (moviespeople for now).

Changes will be made at the opening of the next new thread (close to 100 posts on this one).
Thoughts?

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Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:29 AM

Seems reasonable, although keeping a few of the most vital links in that first message would be useful.

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Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:39 AM

In my brief experience with the proxy cheat, I found it to be very time consuming and frustrating (not all proxies work with all sites). You could probably automate to some degree, but you are still dealing with an unstable environment (the free proxy IPs come and go, and are not always available.)

If you automated it, you could have it operate in a somewhat random schedule. Although, over time, a pattern analysis detection routine would eventually catch it (along with some false positives, some people can be very predictable as well.)

There's one Browncoat apparently using it at TVTally. I haven't really seen it anywhere else (at least not on a big scale.)It's all too time consuming for me, and I suspect, most people as well. The several who were using it for Jericho at TVTally appear to have given up (or just got tired out.)

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One of the counter measures I'm familiar with is scrubbing the ip addresses that are being voted from. If you consistently get the same addresses coming in in the same order, it's a hack. I'm sure that there are others, but Rich never divulged them to me.

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Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:11 AM

The good news is

Hits Percent
Summer Glau
238 33.3%
Lucy Lawless
214 30%

The bad news is

Terminator: TSCC
161 28.9%
Firefly
123 22%

While there's some karma in that, the following is just wrong;

Hits Percent
Richard Dean Anderson
197 58.1%
Nathan Fillion
104 30.7%

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Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:01 AM

Where'd everyone go?

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Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:26 AM

Groceries bought & stowed vump.

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Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:39 PM

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."

Re: changing the lead in post, go for it Ft, I was thinking the other day it was a LOT of links, I think its a good idea.

Voted and bumped to the top.

Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion

Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Monday, August 31, 2009 7:12 AM

Damn, we're getting smashed at www.moviespeople.com/top-movies.html

While at TVTally, we rule.

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Monday, August 31, 2009 2:55 PM

www.moviespeople.com/top-movies.html

The Terminator
1337 74.5%
Serenity
195 10.9%
Star Wars
157 8.7%

Terminator: TSCC
1279 75.2%
Firefly
138 8.1%
Babylon 5
99 5.8%

Richard Dean Anderson
1186 88.3%
Nathan Fillion
116 8.6%

Well that poll didn't last long. WOnder about people that do this, really do. Hacked to s***.

Well, my days of taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle.

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Monday, August 31, 2009 7:45 PM

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."

yea, your right Free, the're cheating,...cheaters never prosper.

Voted and bumped.

Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion

Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 4:12 AM

KC5F

Quote:
Originally posted by Freebrowncoat:
Well that poll didn't last long.

Same thing at http://stargate-news.com/ - it's sorta like whack-a-mole...

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 5:45 AM

*sigh*
If I was sure I'd have enough time to do the job properly, I'd contact Rich & see if he'd be willing to let me restart TV Vote (under a different name if necessary) & use his hack detectors.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:10 AM

That would probably attract a lot of attention, if only for the novelty. But it is a lot of work, which is one reason Rich eventually shit it down. At least install AdSense to take some of the stong out of it.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 2:27 PM

TRAVELER

Just give this a bump.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 8:11 PM

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."

voted and a bump.....

Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion

Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 3:41 AM

TVTALLY
Firefly 796 24.01%
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles 779 23.5%

Moviespeople

Serenity 1657 47.9%
The Terminator 1538 44.5%

Terminator: TSCC 1527 48.1%
Firefly 1360 42.9%

Richard Dean Anderson 1396 84.2%
Nathan Fillion 220 13.3%

Rather interesting results today. TVTALLY seems to be running real, Moviespeople still recovering.

"Also. I can kill you with my brain."

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 7:12 AM

That's just the weekly results on TVTally. The Browncoat ProxyMaster(s) who was piling up all the votes there, appears to have moved on. The Jericho heavy hitters had earleir given up. That's because the total vote
http://www.tvtally.com/shows/overalltop.php?top=25
shows Firefly 50,000 votes ahead of Jericho.

That Browncoat heavy hitter (I forget his handle here. I exchanged some email with him about how he went about generating the huge votes) appears to have shown up at Moviepeople. Unless there's more than one of these heavy hitters. There appears to have been several going at it for Jericho on TVTally.

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 9:05 AM

Three words for those that seem to think what they do is okay or fair: GET A LIFE.

Just do things honestly and fairly. Like vandalism, wrecking the world for everyone else for a few moments of rush seems a waste of time to me. Glad they have moved on.

IMHO

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 9:28 AM

Different strokes for different folks.

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 7:22 PM

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."

Once again, I do not agree with cheating,...I guess I will quit, again. I can't stand dishonest people...so sad we use to have fun here

Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion

Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 9:14 PM

Firefly 970 23.68% TVTALLY.

In a nice, comfortable orbit.

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Thursday, September 3, 2009 12:50 AM

...and I was just gettin' used to the idea of having a place to vote.
Time to start lurking again.

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Thursday, September 3, 2009 1:57 AM

FIREFLYTITAN

Quote:
Originally posted by Suasor:
That Browncoat heavy hitter (I forget his handle here. I exchanged some email with him about how he went about generating the huge votes) appears to have shown up at Moviepeople.

If you're referring to me, I haven't voted in any polls in months. When TVTally started going up by thousands a day it became a farce, as have most of the others. Doesn't help spread good vibes about the 'verse when folks are just p***ing off other fanbases...

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Thursday, September 3, 2009 3:46 AM

http://www.moviespeople.com/top-movies.html
The Terminator 4259 67%
Serenity 1826 28.7%

Terminator: TSCC 7129 81.1%
Firefly 1377 15.7%

Richard Dean Anderson 4103 67.1%
Nathan Fillion 1973 32.2%

TVTALLY
Firefly 984 23.01%
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles 888 20.76%

This morning's voting.

"Well. Here I am."

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Thursday, September 3, 2009 7:07 AM

email chatted w/ Admin at moviespeople.
They are actively trying to detect and stop cheaters, but it is time consuming and a bit difficult.

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Thursday, September 3, 2009 7:11 AM

Rich could have written a book, or a least a long web post, about all the hoops he went through to keep TVVote clean. It is a chore keeping up with all the vote scams.

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Thursday, September 3, 2009 8:45 AM

Titan, yeah, that was it. But if it wasn't you, how many heavy voter browncoats are out there? Someone did us a solid at Moviepeople the other day, but whoever poured on 130,000 Firefly votes at TVTally since June (compared to 80,000 for Jericho), is gone (or dead from exhaustion.)

These guys must have automated that proxy voting thing. No way that could have been done manually, unless there was a team of them.

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Thursday, September 3, 2009 11:31 AM

You'd be surprised at some of the 'bots that are out there. One guy was even talking of setting up a zombie network & putting the masses (completely without their knowledge) to work voting for his fav's.

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Thursday, September 3, 2009 2:11 PM

TVTALLY
Firefly 1000 21.44%
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles 939 20.13%

"We're good, people."

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Thursday, September 3, 2009 7:50 PM

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."

Quote:
Originally posted by FlatTop:
You'd be surprised at some of the 'bots that are out there. One guy was even talking of setting up a zombie network & putting the masses (completely without their knowledge) to work voting for his fav's.

Your know FT, to me it looks like somebodys working on that right now, Thanks for contacting the owners about possible cheating.
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Chaplain of the 76th Independant Battalion

Do not bother dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Thursday, September 3, 2009 10:48 PM

You could use bots, but botnets are expensive (they cost real money to create, and maintain). They cost a few bucks a day (per zombified PC) to rent, although we may have some scumbag scammer who is also a browncoat, and having his botnet voting, while also spreading spam and malware.

Come to think of it, that's a very browncoat thing to do, execpt it's real, and not fiction.

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Friday, September 4, 2009 3:51 AM

TVTALLY
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles 1190 22.78%
Firefly 1025 19.62%

MOVIESPEOPLE
The Terminator 5413 71.9%
Serenity 1848 24.5%

Terminator: TSCC 8101 82.9%
Firefly 1383 14.2%

Richard Dean Anderson
5671 73.7%
Nathan Fillion
1977 25.7%

At least Browncoats have valid votes, not Alliance corrupted propoganda.

"That makes us mighty."

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Friday, September 4, 2009 6:57 AM