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Originally posted by Mangolo:

I'm saddened by anyone who quotes George W. Bush...unless they are trying to make a joke. Of course, I'm totally creeped out by people who quote Dick Cheney.

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"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—Dick Cheney, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
youtube.com/watch?v=eL34buPJJxc
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, no question about it."
—George Bush Jr
youtube.com/watch?v=A09Ha5M82us

"The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using Israeli passports. They are armed and dangerous."
-Knox County TN Emergency 911 Dispatch, Sept 11, 2001, 11am EST
www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm

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Originally posted by Mangolo:
What is more amazing is that when no Americans were allowed to fly in American airspace, many Saudis including those related to Bin Laden, were allowed to fly out of our country.

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Originally posted by Freebrowncoat:
Have to say the comments above are well written then spoken by people that pay good money to haove other people think for them.

We Americans have long looked forward to see as many people as possible enjoy FREEDOM. Freedom of thought, action, occupation, education, belief. We are opposed by those that want control over those ideals and choices, to put all people under their thumbs, to have power for the sake of power. Enforced by terror and secret police.

We don't agree with some of the speakers but the words are true. Live your life with idealism, make it real. Exercise your freedom by giving it to others.

We do not send children out with explosive vests. We do not hide among civilians and use them as shields. We don't destroy schools that may teach other thoughts.

We build schools, hospitals, give people the vote and monitor that it's fair regardless of our own politics.

Are we perfect? We put our citizens in harm's way to uphold our ideals. We try hard to do the right thing. That is who we are. Not perfect.

9/11 DID NOT TAKE THAT FROM US.

We may not live, but who we are and what we stand for will live forever.

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Too bad he's illiterate, retarded or his blog was written by his Zionist masters...

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Originally posted by Mangolo:
What is more amazing is that when no Americans where allowed to fly in American airspace, many Saudis including those related to Bin Laden, were allowed to fly out of our country.

Never forget where the hijackers were from:

Not a single Afghani among them. Not a single Iraqi. 'Nuf said.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by Mangolo:
What is more amazing is that when no Americans where allowed to fly in American airspace, many Saudis including those related to Bin Laden, were allowed to fly out of our country.

Never forget where the hijackers were from:

Not a single Afghani among them. Not a single Iraqi. 'Nuf said.

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No, not 'nuff said, as only a simpleton would ignore the fact that they trained in Afghanistan, had their base of operations there, weren't acting as agents for their country of origin, but were part of a cult which ignores bounds of nationality and instead wants to force us to convert, or die.

Is it a willful ignorance in place here, or are some folks really that dense ?

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Originally posted by Freebrowncoat:
Have to say the comments above are well written then spoken by people that pay good money to haove other people think for them.

We Americans have long looked forward to see as many people as possible enjoy FREEDOM. Freedom of thought, action, occupation, education, belief. We are opposed by those that want control over those ideals and choices, to put all people under their thumbs, to have power for the sake of power. Enforced by terror and secret police.

We don't agree with some of the speakers but the words are true. Live your life with idealism, make it real. Exercise your freedom by giving it to others.

We do not send children out with explosive vests. We do not hide among civilians and use them as shields. We don't destroy schools that may teach other thoughts.

We build schools, hospitals, give people the vote and monitor that it's fair regardless of our own politics.

Are we perfect? We put our citizens in harm's way to uphold our ideals. We try hard to do the right thing. That is who we are. Not perfect.

9/11 DID NOT TAKE THAT FROM US.

We may not live, but who we are and what we stand for will live forever.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I'm hesitant--is he a proponent of Bush Doctrine, or (gawd forbid) Bush himself?? What he writes is kind of disjointed to me, I'm having some trouble making it out...?

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Adam is apparently quite outspoken about his political opinions. It might take some searching, but there is supposedly a substantial archive of his older posts on the OB (he eventually stopped making personal posts there some years back):

http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/start

Word of caution: Not everyone is gonna be pleased with Adam's politics. But that's the beauty of a free country: Diverse opinions and free discourse.

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.





http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, not 'nuff said, as only a simpleton would ignore the fact that they trained in Afghanistan, had their base of operations there, weren't acting as agents for their country of origin, but were part of a cult which ignores bounds of nationality and instead wants to force us to convert, or die.

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Is it a willful ignorance in place here, or are some folks really that dense ?

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Originally posted by Mangolo:

Why the personal insults? Are you a Saudi? If so, I totally understand and am sorry. I'm not saying all Saudis are bad, just the ones who funded this atrocity.

Al Quaeda operates in over a dozen countries actively and in 2003 Iraq was not one of them. I'm for finding the perps and the prudent thing would be to take out the fiscal structure that supported them (ie the Saudi money) We STILL haven't done that. We STILL haven't nailed Bin Laden.

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(a) Why did Bin Laden only start targeting American interests when we put bases and personnel in Saudi Arabia (his "country of origin")?

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Also, you say they're acting as people who ignore the bounds of nationality, yet you insist that WE must pay strict attention to those bounds by attacking Afghanistan, where they trained. So THEY didn't care where they trained, but WE must, huh? Interesting the way your mind works. Or rather, the way it doesn't....

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That's where the bases were. In Afghanistan.

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THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release September 10, 2009

NOTICE
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CONTINUATION OF THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY WITH RESPECT

TO CERTAIN TERRORIST ATTACKS

Consistent with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act, 50 U.S.C. 1622(d), I am continuing for 1 year the national emergency declared on September 14, 2001, in Proclamation 7463, with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, and the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States.

Because the terrorist threat continues, the national emergency declared on September 14, 2001, and the powers and authorities adopted to deal with that emergency, must continue in effect beyond September 14, 2009. Therefore, I am continuing in effect for an additional year the national emergency the former President declared on September 14, 2001, with respect to the terrorist threat.

This notice shall be published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.

BARACK OBAMA

THE WHITE HOUSE,
September 10, 2009

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"Regret what? That secret operation (the CIA backing of Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists) was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"
-Zbigniew Brzezinski, Le Nouvel Observateur, Jan, 1998

"I've learned an immense amount from Dr. Brzezinski."
-Hussein Obama, 12 Sept 2007
youtube.com/watch?v=ASlETEx0T-I

"I endorsed Obama."
-Zbigniew Brzezinski, MSNBC
youtube.com/watch?v=NCO7Pr7RJ7s

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Most of the Saudis received their religious fanaticism and initial training in a rural part of Saudi Arabia then went to these other places. As you can see, Afghanistan is by no means the center of this very decentralized organization (Germany, Lebanon, Chechnya, etc) . ALL the trainers in Afghanistan were solely foreigners. ALL those bases were controlled by those trainers. Kuala Lumpur's (that's Malaysia) 2000 Al Qaeda Summit in might have been the most central crossroad to the hijackers and yet Malaysia is probably has the smallest population of fanatics.

Afghanistan is a very poor country with a large degree of lawlessness (even to this day). The Saudi money got these people whatever they wanted, where ever they wanted it, even when the training happened here.

And note- one of the earliest creeps to start training how to fly was Hani - never trained in Afghanistan- all his training and time spent in either the US or Saudi Arabia.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

None of that in the least changes anything. Al Qaeda, which ran the operation , had its base in Afghanistan.

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And 'Mike' ? This goes for you as well. Leave RWED nonsense over there. I'm in 100% agreement w/ Adam Baldwin on this matter, and there's nothing else which needs to be said.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Good for Joss. I'll not follow your lead and call him a Left wing fascist asshole. I'll leave that sort of stuff up to you.

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No, I never 'ran away' from RWED, it became Troll Country annex, thanks to folks like you, doing exactly what you're doing now. Wallow in the mud as you like, I'll sit this one out.

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I fully agree w/ what Adam posted, and will comment on what the other BDH's have to say , or not, as I see fit.

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Enjoy having the last word.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

You seem to have some unhealthy obsession w/ wanting to fight w/ anyone who disagrees w/ you, even when you're shown to be wrong.

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Which is why I opted out of posting on RWED. Nothing of significance was being discussed there, just one moronic , hate filled volley after another. Just as you're attempting to do here, but I'm not leaving here. I love Firefly too much to allow that to happen. I'll never back down. Ever. So deal w/ it. Rethink your priorities.

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I'm not going anywhere.

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