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Imponderables: Yesterdays Rain

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Monday, September 14, 2009 4:59 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Love and get well wishes for the sickies. Singing praise for all that is better now than it used to be.
Ponder: If there is something in your life that is not quite what you are looking for what would be an ideal change you would like to make?
Finally being happy with my life has led me to think more about the future and I hope more people can share in that feeling.

Previous thread:
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Monday, September 14, 2009 5:00 AM

KELKHIL


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Seems we will own Firsties today eh NVG?

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Monday, September 14, 2009 5:08 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Becuz we iz Teh RocKage!

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Monday, September 14, 2009 5:14 AM

ZEEK


I think that's a good ponder. Mainly because I think sometimes we don't take that step. Lots of people complain about things in their life but they don't necessarily take any action to change things.


For me it's my job. Not that I don't like my current job, but there's not enough room for advancement. As a career that just doesn't cut it. So, I'm looking to move internally in the company to a job where there is more opportunity. Hopefully that will improve my life a bit. Then I'll move on to fixing the next best thing that can improve my life.

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Monday, September 14, 2009 6:34 AM

KELKHIL


Well since I snaked firsties I guess the least I can do is answer the ponder.

I would not change a thing. Every thing I have done, decision I have made has put me exactly where I am today. Yes there are things I don't like but how do I know that changing even one minor thing that I hate will allow me to have everything thing I already have and cherish? Not worth the risk.

[/sappy]


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Monday, September 14, 2009 6:41 AM

MSA


HUGS Kelkhil... I'm with you. I think there are a few tiny steps I might undo, but then if it changed the outcome it'd be awful. I am so incredibly happy with where I am I'd never take it back

NV

Though I will say I plan to make the change of jobs to go back to teaching. I've enjoyed the experience, but honestly I miss having students and I'm just not as good at this as I am at teaching.

Though I think some people don't change because they can't see the pattern they've made. I just saw a friend step once more into her pattern of picking men who are emotionally unavailable. ( the one time a guy actually changed and became available and ready to form a deep emotional bond she dumped him )

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
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It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

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Monday, September 14, 2009 2:55 PM

TRAVELER


I took care of that change today. I got off my ass and cleaned my bathroom.


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Monday, September 14, 2009 3:26 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Like MSA said, tiny steps.

I'm glad there were some mistakes I got out of the way. I think I might have tried harder to be closer to people I grew up around. That is something I try not to do now, the whole distance thing.

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Monday, September 14, 2009 3:33 PM

KINGEICHOLZ


I'M A PERSONAL TRAINER I TRAIN DUMB STRIPPERS.

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Monday, September 14, 2009 3:42 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Wow. That's a lot. Not sure I could do that job with such a loathing for stupid people and violent tendencies and all.


Kinda wished I would have done re-cert to train shooters for various reasons/mentalities. The market exploded and asshats jumped on board that I'd rather not deal with. May need to reconsider now that so many are being recognized for their asshattery.

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Monday, September 14, 2009 4:07 PM

FREELANCERTEX


Would you be talking about gun owners? Or am I missing something?

Stupid people should not own guns ><;; *flinch*




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Monday, September 14, 2009 4:37 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER


I really hate being sick and now with being pregnant and sick I am so worried I'll get worse and it'll hurt the baby..so fingers crossed everyone that this is just a little cold and it will go away


OOOPS MSA here... NV not really pregnant
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Monday, September 14, 2009 4:50 PM

TRAVELER


You had me worried there for a minute MsA.


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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:24 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


MSA again... well it's all the fault of the shared computer and we're not as careful as we could be about noticing which of us is logged in...but hey I've already commandeered his tee shirts... might as well go for the log in too

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:26 AM

MSA


The pitfall of marriage.

Gahhh, now I'm logged in as her. WTF!?!?!

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:38 AM

ZEEK


Hmmm I know I've heard of multiple personality disorder, but switched personality disorder? That might be a new one.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:35 AM

TRAVELER


Edit: Need to proof read my posts.

This is what happens just before a wormhole opens up and you end up on the run from Peacekeepers.

This what Aeryn Sun meant by, "Imagine a whole world full of Chrichtons."


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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:48 AM

MSA


gigglesnort

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:04 PM

MSA


NVG here having an identity crisis...

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:09 AM

FREELANCERTEX


LOLZ I'll say, NV XD

almost done reading Julius Caesar. We're supposed to write a paper for this play, but I have no idea what it could possibly be on...anyone familiar with it?

week can be over now please?


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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:38 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by freelancertex:
LOLZ I'll say, NV XD

almost done reading Julius Caesar. We're supposed to write a paper for this play, but I have no idea what it could possibly be on...anyone familiar with it?

week can be over now please?


Not familiar with it but I did read it ages ago...I think. From what I remember the message was "crowds are fickle, always be the last one to speak if possible, emotional arguments can convince stupid people of anything".

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:59 AM

MSA


ok if you've read the play how do you not know what the paper is on? DIdn't the instructor give the assignment to read the play and write the paper?
Are you supposed to write an analysis or comparative or is it the content of the play that confuses you??




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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:56 AM

FREELANCERTEX


he's not giving us the assignment until after we read the play @_@ but still, if it's a "pick a topic from Caesar to write on, good luck" thing, I'm screwed, 'cause I mean, it's a history. wtf can you really argue about history except what happened? This is a play about Brutus, really, not even Caesar. it's why Brutus helped kill Caesar and what happened afterward. It'll be interesting to see what he gives us.


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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:23 AM

MSA


I am really hating only having one eye. Well, still have both of them. The right is so cloudy that I can't even focus beyond the rear sight/optic enough to see the target. I can shoot left handed with long guns and there is not much of a change with handguns. Not sure what I'm really bitching about other than the loss of proper depth perception.

*bitchbitchmoanmoanbitch*

LOL- The above rant was NVG....gigglesnort

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:38 AM

ZEEK


Jeez women are such complainers

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:46 AM

TRAVELER


You may be asked to defend the actions of one of main characters. You may be asked to compare Brutus with Anthony, who were both Caesars friends, but one was part of the conspiracy to kill Caesar and the other sought to revenge this murder.


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:58 AM

FREELANCERTEX


O_o why does MsA only have one eye?

*siiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh* well, mr. long-winded already compared brutus to antony when we discussed it; he was making a HUGE deal over these three lines on one kriffing page, and complaining that we weren't getting it. we were like "WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT US TO SAY???? CAESAR LIKES ANTONY. WHAT ELSE CAN WE SAY ABOUT THOSE THREE KRIFFING LINES???? WE'RE NOT WRITING A DISSERTATION ON IT!!!!" He was pounding us with the "some of shakespeare's greatest moments are in little insignificant lines like these" and we were still "yeah, and all he's saying there is that Caesar favors Antony. they're friendly. you've said that, you haven't said anything BEYOND that, can we talk about something else?"

I'm used to professors allowing students to bring things up that they found intriguing, and sometimes leading the conversation a bit and prodding until the students DO spark something that can be drawn into a bigger discussion. This guy seems to only want to talk about what HE finds intriguing. *melts into a puddle of exhaustion*

[/rant] sorry. :\


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:31 AM

MSA


I don't...NVG was he posted last night while tired and forgot to note it...



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Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:38 AM

FREELANCERTEX


lol, silly :P
then, why does NV only have one eye? O_o :(


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:16 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Identity crisis then gender issues. What next, pregnancy?

I have a developing cataract in my right eye due to what I am told is "head trauma". It might not be as serious as I say, but for someone who could see a human form well over a mile away and could shoot 15 yard targets with a my 1911 at over a hundred yards the eye issue seems a bit limiting. Driving at night turns into a gambit of logistics and calculation without stereoscopic vision. On the bright side my left eye only requires a corrective lens which has already improved my vision in that eye greatly.

Seems I've always wanted a blue Fu Manchu and this morning it was denied because of "baby" issues. I was thinking of a getting monocle for the left eye or a patch for the right. But without the ability to actually grow facial hair longer than an inch I guess the disappointment is a bit misdirected.

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:04 AM

FREELANCERTEX


LOL monocle XD

i didn't know cataracts could develop as a result of head trauma :\ can you fix it? i can see that becoming bothersome


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:31 AM

MSA


Well now I almost choked to death laughing NV

Sorry just the visual image of baby firmly gripping a blue fu manchu dangling off NV's face... heee hee hee hee

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:59 AM

GORRAMGROUPIE


Hey all, long time no visit, keep getting wrapped up in the work thing, then busy with family.

On the ponder, the only thing not to my liking right now is my living situation, sharing a duplex with in-laws, great people but just too intrusive in out lives. So, I would change that. To our own house. NO other family.

Nothing else much going on. Love the D*C photos, again another year I miss.

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:19 AM

MSA


HUGS Gorram.. ok you're very brave to live with the in-laws. I don't think I could do that... I know I couldn't live with my parents
Maybe next year you could come to D*C

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:04 AM

GORRAMGROUPIE


That would be good, we have already talked costumes and such.

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:15 AM

TRAVELER


Of course he does not see that if the entire class does not see his point, then maybe it is his problem. I have to read Shakespeare over and over again and also read the commentaries before I understand what Shakespeare is trying to imply. After all, the terms he used date back several hundred years and no one knows them now. He also uses words out of context.

Me thinks he protests to much.


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:16 AM

FREELANCERTEX


I wish I was a costume-y person. that would be fun.

So jealous of my friend right now. She's going to a Q&A in NYC tomorrow--FOR NATHAN FILLION *dies* sooooooo wish I could go with her.


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:54 PM

FREELANCERTEX


*double post alert* wow Traveler, we muste've posted at the same exact time XD but yeah,i think maybe he dwells a little too much on one subject sometimes :P not to say he doesn't have his comical or comprehensive moments, but even my high school english teacher (grammar queen + intense shakespeare FANATIC = d.mattei) didn't dwell for too long on a single subject in Bill's plays. XD

but, on a happier note, when the bf was watching Top Gear tonight, one of the guys said 'let loose the dogs of war" and i was like "teehee, Caesar, act four *spazzdance*" XD i love it when stuff like that happens. it's like an in-joke, more so with the obscure quotes, but still.


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:58 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER


The whole "Cry Havoc" line really isn't that obscure. Seems it is so ingrained in modern society/pop culture that most people either don't pay attention to it when it is said or have no damn clue as to where it came from or to what it is referencing.

How much of Shakespeare have you read? Have you seen any of the plays acted out? Have you vocalized any of the material with the intent of experiencing it rather than just reading it aloud? I am no expert. Hell, I don't even really like much more than a sonnet or two of his. But it is clear that the teacher might be trying to catch you and your classmates up on material, ideas, and perceptions you should have experienced in early high school.

I'll put it this way: I have a tenth grade education, work experience, and a few college credits in human service and case work studies. Really, I am VERY undereducated. When I read it is at the rate of human communication complete with pauses, annunciation, physical gestures, and accent. Most things take much longer to read than originally intended. Couple that with PTSD and what is likely a learning disorder called Dysgraphia, there are more than a few strikes against me.

Despite all that and having NOT read Julius Caesar I can still summarize the basic story and themes within just from what I have heard from other people, the elements of the story I've seen in pop culture, and from actual history of the time. All I can say is sack up, get past it, move on. Your "teacher" is preparing you for what he has in store for later on. The tests and finals aren't the actual "tests". The test is in your willingness to learn and your mettle.

If you don't understand this basic summary then you might want to consider an alternate path of study:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Caesar_(play)



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Friday, September 18, 2009 1:30 AM

FREELANCERTEX


lol, true, but it's still fun with the really obscure ones. earns a giggle XD

I've read quite a bit of Shakespeare over the years ><;; *slaps self upside the head in Gibbs fashion* I try to read it out loud as much as possible because, well, you have to. They make more sense with the pauses and gestures and the emotion of *speaking* than just being read on a page (and yeah, that takes a long time, but for the sake of figuring out what the hell he's trying to say, it's worth it). You're right, he's probably trying to catch us up or something, but he seems to spend an inordinate amount of time trying to get *us* to come up with what he's thinking, and because we're not mind readers, we sometimes never figure that out. I guess I'm just of the mindset that if you're trying to get a point across, and we're not getting it on our own, it's a waste of time to spend an entire class on trying to make us get it when there could be other stuff we haven't discovered that could spark more fulfilling and productive discussion. :\

I don't know ><;; its 7:30am and my brain is still half asleep, I'm more than likely rambling.

Regardless, you seem very intelligent, NV ^_^


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Friday, September 18, 2009 2:50 AM

GORRAMGROUPIE


You never really appreciate Shakespeare until you hear it in the original Klingon.

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Friday, September 18, 2009 3:45 AM

FREELANCERTEX


uh--*immediately goes into brainlock*

*twitch*


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Friday, September 18, 2009 6:33 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


"taH pagh taHbe'"

Much better than the Queens English IMHO despite my defined disposition of many things Trek.



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Friday, September 18, 2009 7:48 AM

MSA


The image of Klingon Puck just flashed across my brain causing me to laugh so hard I started coughing... thansk a lot guys

NV you are self educated not under educated... and if you can keep up with me you're no slouch

You can do it FLT.

oooh sonnet 29... ( one of the few I can do from memory, as it is my favorite)

When in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes
I all alone beweep my outcast state,
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
And look upon myself, and curse my fate,
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,
Desiring this man's art, and that man's scope,
With what I most enjoy contented least;
Yet in these thoughts my self almost despising,
Haply I think on thee, and then my state,
Like to the lark at break of day arising
From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven's gate;
For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings
That then I scorn to change my state with kings



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Friday, September 18, 2009 8:12 AM

FREELANCERTEX


A Klingon Puck would be hilarious, as would a Klingon Dogberry, but still, I think I prefer english ><;;

nooot a huge fan of shakespeare's sonnets :\ they just never struck a chord with me.


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Friday, September 18, 2009 10:36 AM

TRAVELER


One of my favorites is "Much ado about Nothing".
I understood most of this play and then I saw the film with Denzel Washington. It was the very end and all but the prince started dancing through the courtyards. They leave the prince standing alone.
Not till that moment did I realise the prince had no one to dance with. No one to share any joy.

The term comedy has changed over the centuries. This story had its humor, but it also had very dramatic scenes. Kenneth Branagh did a fine job of giving the sadness and anger the same measure as the joy.

Shakespeare does need to be seen. Fine points can be missed when just read.


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Friday, September 18, 2009 1:18 PM

FREELANCERTEX


i LOVE MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING!!!!!! it is my all-time favorite :P

I've seen the film. Hope to see it on stage some time ^_^


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Friday, September 18, 2009 1:32 PM

TRAVELER


I have a friend who used to go to London for a week just to see plays there. The economy on his business has forced him to cut back on these trips. He always took in one Shakespeare play besides the more contemporary plays being shown. At least I got to hear him talk about them.

Got hoot out of the Klingon "Hamlet".
I can see the Klingons getting into Shakespeare. A lot of vicious politics. They can relate to that.


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Friday, September 18, 2009 1:34 PM

AVERYFINECOMPANION


Quote:

Originally posted by freelancertex:
i LOVE MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING!!!!!! it is my all-time favorite :P




My school put this one on. I played Leonato

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Friday, September 18, 2009 1:49 PM

FREELANCERTEX


Nathan's talking about Shakespeare right now XD riiiiiight as I clicked on this thread.

Aw. i'd love to be in a production of Much Ado. too bad I'm not much of an actor ><;;


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