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Imponderables: We're Them and They're Us

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Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:20 AM

TRAVELER


Hello Rugbug:

I'm watching Dollhouse. I get the feeling that Echo is Dorothy and she has landed in Oz and the rest of the cast are searching for something missing inside them. "If I only had a heart". I'm talking about both the Actives and the Keepers. I was surprised by Mellie's behaviour in the episode where she comes back for a check-up. It appears the Dollhouse provides more then just a large chunk of cash, but also takes all your troubles away. So I wonder if Adelle sees herself as rescuing the Actives from their past lives, both physically with money and a new start, but also having Topher removing any mental suffering they may be dealing with.
So for me, the show is getting more interesting. I also liked that Boyd helped out with Sierra. I hated his promotion and think he makes a great handler.




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Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:58 AM

ZEEK


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Silly me...I just went to the dollhouse page and read the ep thread. Would've answered my question pretty quickly.

I didn't feel it was a big jump in morality for Adelle. She's always been protective. Moral ambiguity aside, even the Dollhouse, in fact, is set up to protect the dolls within each engagement by monitoring stress levels, etc. If the dolls are facing stress outside of the engagement parameters, the handlers intervene. Sure, a doll could be programmed to like rough sex, and while in the meta-sense it's rape, it's not within the confines of the engagement. At the point that it whatever is happening becomes non-consensual, stress levels rise and the handlers are there to step in.

It might have felt like a big jump for Topher without having seen 'Epitaph One', but having seen that...it wasn't. It's hard to not watch informed by that ep, which is what I should do to be fair. I honestly haven't paid much attention to Topher and now want to go back to see if there are any other tipping of the cards with him.

I can't really remember Sierra's entry into the house except for them wiping her. I did question that the mapping/wiping procedures/machines have gotten a serious tech upgrade since S1...no more wires, etc. Although maybe since she was mapped already it was wipe just like any other post-engagement one.

I think after this ep, I will actually buy S1 and 2...something I wasn't going to do.

I haven't seen Epitaph One because I'm not going to buy the DVD set.

They didn't see any problem with Sierra during her engagements though. She was sad afterward which I would say is Topher's fault. They should have had him working harder to clear out memories when the actives were wiped. In fact that was her initial approach the first time in "Needs" (I think). Only Whiskey changed her mind. So, it's possible she's learned from that, but she still reacted very strongly for someone who seems to skate the line a lot more in every other episode. I just don't see her suddenly getting so upset over an active being sad.

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Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:07 PM

MSA


OK you really need to see epitaph one Zeek it changes everything..

WE have sadly, thanks to a tivo failure and false alarm resulting in spending hours in hospital missed the last 2 episodes of Dollhouse so we will have to catch up online:)

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Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:25 PM

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Maybe I'm the only one old enough to remember, but the thread title reminds me of the old "Pogo" comic strip, which I loved as a kid.



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Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:31 PM

RUGBUG


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Originally posted by Zeek:

I haven't seen Epitaph One because I'm not going to buy the DVD set.


I bought it through iTunes. Totally worth the $2.99.

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They didn't see any problem with Sierra during her engagements though. She was sad afterward which I would say is Topher's fault. They should have had him working harder to clear out memories when the actives were wiped. In fact that was her initial approach the first time in "Needs" (I think). Only Whiskey changed her mind. So, it's possible she's learned from that, but she still reacted very strongly for someone who seems to skate the line a lot more in every other episode. I just don't see her suddenly getting so upset over an active being sad.


I'm a little confused with the she and hers...Who is reacting strongly and skating the line? ;)

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Adelle has misgivings about the multiple engagements for Sierra, but she did allow them to continue. When she found out the truth, she tried to end it. You could feel her moral dilemma as you watched her cave to the Rossum guy. I think Adelle has always comforted herself with the idea that the actives have chosen to be dolls and that there are no lasting effects once a contract expires. Sierra never chose to be a doll, but Adelle thought she was making her life better... Sierra would also never chose to be with Kennard (sp?). I think that bothers Adelle: Sending Sierra off forever to someone she hates and who has raped her physically and mentally.

This whole ep is interesting in that it juxtaposes the Dollhouse with the rapist guy. It's totally allegory...The dollhouse and those under its employ are no better than Dr. Kennard...and yet in this ep..they are taking the moral high ground. They've just fooled themselves into thinking they're just providing a service using willing participants. The story they tell themselves so they can sleep at night just started to pull at the seams.

My biggest problem in this ep was Boyd. He was so sympathetic in S1 but more and more he's toeing the company line without questioning.





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Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:40 PM

ZEEK


I think my problem is when Adelle called the doctor in and called him a kidnapping rapist. It's exactly like you said the dollhouse is doing that constantly. That's why I don't understand her actions. What made her flip out on this guy yet everything else they do is fine?

I can't tell what is making Topher flip out at the end. What happened after he sent Sierra out or her being a doll in general. I don't have a problem with either. So, it seems a bit strange to me. The dude clearly had it coming and Sierra clearly walked right back in and signed up knowing what goes on there. Why would he be freaking out so much?

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Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:03 PM

RUGBUG


I put spoiler tags in. I'm so used to talking about FF which is so old spoiler tags are ridiculous...but thought it might be a good idea here...

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I think my problem is when Adelle called the doctor in and called him a kidnapping rapist. It's exactly like you said the dollhouse is doing that constantly. That's why I don't understand her actions. What made her flip out on this guy yet everything else they do is fine?


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Because he entrapped Priyah? He might as well have been holding her in his basement. Adelle firmly believes that the dolls chose their current state. She's got signed papers proving that fact. She's get November making her feel just fine about what the dollhouse does. November could even be called happy with her decision to sign herself over to the Dollhouse. In Sierra's case Adelle believes she was making her life better, making her sane.

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I can't tell what is making Topher flip out at the end. What happened after he sent Sierra out or her being a doll in general. I don't have a problem with either. So, it seems a bit strange to me. The dude clearly had it coming and Sierra clearly walked right back in and signed up knowing what goes on there. Why would he be freaking out so much?


Taking a human life,even a worthless piece of trash like that guy...and cutting up a fresh body and chemically burning it to unrecognizability (I kept thinking they needed to do a Bones crossover.:D) is nothing to scoff at. Neither Sierra nor Topher...who basically sent Priyah off to kill him, think it's nothing. Vigilantee-ism is not okay and they both know it. It's why Priyah asks for the day to be removed from her memory if she ever gets out of the dollhouse. The only way to live with that is to become callous, hardened, jaded...like your better or they deserved it (think Faith and Mayor's assitant...less clear cut evil, but still personally devasting to Faith's character). No one should play God and chose how gets to live or die.

Why did Priyah go back there in the first place? Topher freed her. She should've just left She wanted pay-back, wanted to confront her demon, show him he didn't win, that she wasn't his victim any longer. There's beauty, satisfaction and power in "winning" in this situation, but she should've known it would end badly. He'd already proven he would go way past the line to have/keep her.



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Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:24 PM

MSA


Thanks for the spoiler tags... I will hopefully see the episodes and be able to check your spoilers soon
Ooh good idea on the itunes download of Epitaph One. You really should see it Zeek:)

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Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:04 PM

MSA


NVG here:

Hey there Kwicko! Just quoting Patricia Tallman's Barbara in Night Of The Living Dead (1990 directed by Tom Savini). One of the few reworks worth a deuce.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:12 AM

ZEEK


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I put spoiler tags in. I'm so used to talking about FF which is so old spoiler tags are ridiculous...but thought it might be a good idea here...

OK OK spoilers...

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I don't see Priyah being trapped. I mean the first time he was tricked. Not his fault. The second time she walked back in fully knowing what was going on there. She choose to re-enter the dollhouse. In the long run they've made her life better. She's out of that guy's control now.

The guy's death was clearly self-defense. If someone comes at me with a knife and he ends up dead I'm not going to shed a tear for the dude. He killed himself.

Having to cut up and dispose of the body is a little brutal, but it was a necessary evil basically. They could have survived the legal process but the dollhouse would have been compromised. Like Boyd said you have to distance yourself from it and just treat it like dissecting something. Topher seems like the type who could do that. It shouldn't be something he "can't live with" though. If it was emotional at the time it's the type of thing that you'll get over after a while. So, I can't imagine that was the part that he was concerned about.

In the end I'm not sure the writers decided what he was being emotional about. I think it was just a "this has been an emotional day so let's have Topher act really worked up over it. ok go." That seems like Lost style writing to me.


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Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:13 AM

MSA


BTW is it my imagination or is Ted on HIMYM becoming more and more whiny and pretentious??

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:29 AM

ZEEK


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BTW is it my imagination or is Ted on HIMYM becoming more and more whiny and pretentious??

He's definitely my least favorite character at this point. I'm convinced the only time he's really useful is when he's in a short term relationship that can bring a new dynamic to the group.

That's why I say just bring the wife on board. That should provide a spark for a while. Their first date, their first big fight, proposal, wedding planning, the actual wedding. All sorts of episodes in there.

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:33 AM

RUGBUG


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I put spoiler tags in. I'm so used to talking about FF which is so old spoiler tags are ridiculous...but thought it might be a good idea here...

OK OK spoilers...

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I don't see Priyah being trapped. I mean the first time he was tricked. Not his fault. The second time she walked back in fully knowing what was going on there. She choose to re-enter the dollhouse. In the long run they've made her life better. She's out of that guy's control now.

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Eh? I don't think she was trapped by the dollhouse...necessarily...but the doctor definitely entrapped her. Adele has a problem with that. I have no idea why she went back to the house after, though.



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The guy's death was clearly self-defense. If someone comes at me with a knife and he ends up dead I'm not going to shed a tear for the dude. He killed himself.


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Easy to say...but IMO it doesn't usually work out that way.



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Having to cut up and dispose of the body is a little brutal, but it was a necessary evil basically. They could have survived the legal process but the dollhouse would have been compromised. Like Boyd said you have to distance yourself from it and just treat it like dissecting something. Topher seems like the type who could do that. It shouldn't be something he "can't live with" though. If it was emotional at the time it's the type of thing that you'll get over after a while. So, I can't imagine that was the part that he was concerned about.


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Having worked with cadavers before (although I wasn't allowed to dissect...that was for the upper level students), I will say that the thought of cutting on a human body...even one that has been dead for a long time and is cold, wrapped in plastic and smelling of formaldehyde...takes some getting used to. But that could just be me. Warm, stinky and gushy? OMG I would flip.



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In the end I'm not sure the writers decided what he was being emotional about. I think it was just a "this has been an emotional day so let's have Topher act really worked up over it. ok go." That seems like Lost style writing to me.



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I think it's the fact that even though the guy was scum, Topher understands that HIS actions are what ultimately caused his death. He's not okay with that. Topher was trying to help Priyah and it went all fubar, including her killing someone. That didn't make her life better at all.



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Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:07 AM

ZEEK


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I think it's the fact that even though the guy was scum, Topher understands that HIS actions are what ultimately caused his death. He's not okay with that. Topher was trying to help Priyah and it went all fubar, including her killing someone. That didn't make her life better at all.



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I think it did. She'll be free once she gets out now. The guys is gone and won't bother her ever again. Topher will just wake her up with her original backup so that day won't be there anymore (unless it's left over from their awful erasing procedure) and all will be puppies and sunshine.

And just to check if MsA is really secretly giving in and reading these anyway. MsA is a poopy head! hehe



oops "spoiler" not "spoilers"

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:08 AM

MSA


My thoughts exactly Zeek.. he is totally the weak link in the show

Wow Rugbug.. you spoke volumes and yet.. so silently:)
Hey how is your horse doing??

My mom's new horse seems to be doing well. It's kind of hilarious to watch the dainty little Lady boss around the clydesdale mix:)

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:58 AM

RUGBUG


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BTW is it my imagination or is Ted on HIMYM becoming more and more whiny and pretentious??



Ted is kind of blech when he's single, IMO. He's at his best when he's woo-ing someone. :shrug:

MsA: Horses are doing pretty good. I found someone to ride Show one day a week for me. This is good...except she's a bit strange. Have to tell her how to do something 10 times but she's supposedly been around horses since she was a kid. I have someone else lined up to ride another day so that's good.

Elf is learning how to behave himself, which is also good. He had to be moved again, though and he's way freaked out by the lettuce field behind him. Took me about five minutes last night to convince him to turn his back on it. Sigh.

What does your mom plan to do with a clyde cross?

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Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:01 AM

MSA


LOL on lettuce fear... my sister's thoroughbred was like that.. had this thing about grating

Her horses don't actually do anything. They are basically very large house pets with their own house who go on outings

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Friday, October 30, 2009 6:47 AM

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Horses fear lettuce, or desire it?


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Friday, October 30, 2009 6:51 AM

MSA


Not usually, but thoroughbreds are notoriously jumpy and easily startled so it's probably the movement of the lettuce in the wind that scares him

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Friday, October 30, 2009 7:43 AM

RUGBUG


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Not usually, but thoroughbreds are notoriously jumpy and easily startled so it's probably the movement of the lettuce in the wind that scares him



Or he's just being stupid. Actually a lot of off the track Thoroughbreds aren't very spooky because they've seen all kinds of crazy during their time on the track. They are just usually "hot"...opinionated and sensitive...you ask a TB, you don't tell.

But, Elf is just being a jerk. He's not scared of the damn lettuce. I actually think he might be acting stupid because I've been carrying a whip. He was even dumber last night...although had no worries about the lettuce. He's almost acting like he thinks I'm going to beat the crap out of him. It's possible that someone got carried away with a whip on him before...but I can't say for sure.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 10:13 AM

RUGBUG


Woohoo...I just won one of the costume contests at work. Yeah! I've had a dry streak for a few years, but I'm back! (and no Zeek...there were no tassles involved. ;))

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Friday, October 30, 2009 10:21 AM

ZEEK


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Woohoo...I just won one of the costume contests at work. Yeah! I've had a dry streak for a few years, but I'm back! (and no Zeek...there were no tassles involved. ;))

Wow not even tassles!? That must have been one skimpy costume.

Was this the vegas themed thing?

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Friday, October 30, 2009 10:50 AM

RUGBUG


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Wow not even tassles!? That must have been one skimpy costume.




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Was this the vegas themed thing?


Yep...but I was so uninspired I went out on my own. I'm such a rebel. My co-worker did as well, so I don't feel too bad. Whenever we do a department theme it's just a little to predictable and Vegas was sooo predictable. although one person did a white tiger...her boyfriend is going to be Roy (or Zegfried...can't remember which) for tomorrow.

Anyway...I do feel a little bad because I think my costume is going to be an overdone one...but I figured it wouldn't be here at work...and it was easy. I'm in all pink, with pig ears, nose, tail and then a pair of wings. I added H1N1 to my shirt because after talking about it last night, no one was getting it and it was going to be another grey's anatomy thing where I was explaining it all day long. :D

Whatever...it won me a $25 gift cert to Chevron. That'll last almost the whole year for the scooter. :D

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:09 AM

ZEEK


yeah that's going to be done to death. And I don't get how H1N1 makes a sexy costume. I'm trying to picture it. It's just not working.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:14 AM

RUGBUG


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yeah that's going to be done to death. And I don't get how H1N1 makes a sexy costume. I'm trying to picture it. It's just not working.


It's work: sexy and work don't mix...at least my very conservative workplace don't mix (although one of the owners dressed up as this guy:



It's truly frightening. But he gets to ignore all the "appropriate costumes only" warnings, I suppose. Picture someone who like almost exactly like this wearing it:



It's it hooters lunch day for you?


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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:15 AM

MSA


Strategic cutouts Zeek.. that's what makes it sexy:)

LOL That's an awesome and topical costume Rugbug... congrats on the win!
My sis's thoroughbred definitely not off the track. He was a very well bred ( terribly expensive) hunter jumper so he was uber skittish over everything. .. but pretty , oh so pretty. He showed under the name California Chrome

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Friday, October 30, 2009 11:26 AM

ZEEK


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It's it hooters lunch day for you?

Hooters shmooters. This place is called Bone Daddy's. And it's not halloween today. No guarantee of costumes. Tomorrow is lunch day.

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Friday, October 30, 2009 12:58 PM

MSA


You know we have a picture thread for a reason.. you should get your picture taken with the hotties in their costumes and post

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Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:32 AM

MSA


Bumping for the hope of a Halloween miracle

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Sunday, November 1, 2009 3:25 PM

TRAVELER


MsA and NV should be parents right now.


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Sunday, November 1, 2009 3:45 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Still nothing. Sorry.

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Monday, November 2, 2009 5:08 AM

MSA


Yeah we SHOULD be parents... but apparently my body has gone on strike...sigh


Hey Zeek how were the hot waitresses????

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Monday, November 2, 2009 7:06 AM

ZEEK


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Hey Zeek how were the hot waitresses????

Not hot enough. Last year was better. :-(

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Monday, November 2, 2009 7:23 AM

TRAVELER


I guess Mother Nature is having her say in this.


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Monday, November 2, 2009 8:06 AM

MSA


awww poor Zeek..

HUGS Traveler.. yup and it's looking like medical science is gonna have to respond...



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Monday, November 2, 2009 12:41 PM

FREELANCERTEX


Any news on the baby front?


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Tuesday, November 3, 2009 6:19 AM

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Any news on the baby front?

The magic 8 ball says, "Ask again later...in December".

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Tuesday, November 3, 2009 7:02 AM

MSA


LOl Zeek...
It should say ask again tomorrow.. that's when we go to the doctor.

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Tuesday, November 3, 2009 7:19 AM

GORRAMGROUPIE


Ugh, the waiting for the new browncoat to show up. I say that you will go to the doc, he will say "Well, you are in labor, let's get this baby born" and we will not hear from MsA for 48 hours. Just saying.

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Tuesday, November 3, 2009 10:16 AM

MSA


oh don't I just hope... but so far contractions are few and far between so I'm not hopeful.

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Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:50 AM

ZEEK


Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
oh don't I just hope... but so far contractions are few and far between so I'm not hopeful.

Ready to label me a genius yet or are you still being stubborn?

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Tuesday, November 3, 2009 1:32 PM

MSA


wanna slap bet??? Baby comes in the next week and I get to slap you... giggle

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Tuesday, November 3, 2009 2:02 PM

RUGBUG


Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
wanna slap bet??? Baby comes in the next week and I get to slap you... giggle



Queen Zeebug and newly appointed slap bet commissioner approves this challenge.

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Wednesday, November 4, 2009 5:19 AM

MSA


LOL well we're going in today in an hour to find out if we're inducing or doing c-section.. more info to follow

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Wednesday, November 4, 2009 6:28 AM

GORRAMGROUPIE


We are all waiting with fingers/toes/appendages crossed, our breath is baited.

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Wednesday, November 4, 2009 6:50 AM

ZEEK


Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
LOL well we're going in today in an hour to find out if we're inducing or doing c-section.. more info to follow

Those options are clearly cheating. So, I assume either would make me winner of the bet.

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Wednesday, November 4, 2009 9:41 AM

RUGBUG


Quote:
Originally posted by gorramgroupie:
our breath is baited.


Or bated as the case may be. ;)

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Wednesday, November 4, 2009 10:44 AM

ZEEK


Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Quote:
Originally posted by gorramgroupie:
our breath is baited.


Or bated as the case may be. ;)

Took the bait hook line and sinker eh? Grammar bait ftw!

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Wednesday, November 4, 2009 11:17 AM

TRAVELER


Well I hope they can induce labor and reduce my anxiety. I'm an impatient man.

And Zeek, MsA said right from the start that she would induce labor if the baby was not ready by the 31st, so your bet still holds.

We probably won't hear anymore from MsA or NV if they induce today. Fingers will be blue from being crossed so tight.


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Wednesday, November 4, 2009 11:33 AM

MSA


LOL well we have a winner.. Navy was right and I am scheduled for a c-section at 8:30 am tomorrow:)

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