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Originally posted by boris:
I was just thinking the other day after seeing Avatar. Imagine Serenity in 3D...god how cool! Apologies If I'm not the first to post this sentiment.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=41697

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Originally posted by PhyreLight:

Yes, but I would also add a side of caution: manipulating the film like that is a copywrite infringment.

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At Disney World, Universal Studios and other 3-D venues, the preferred method uses polarized lenses because they allow color viewing. Two synchronized projectors project two respective views onto the screen, each with a different polarization. The glasses allow only one of the images into each eye because they contain lenses with different polarization.

http://www.3dglassesonline.com/how-do-3d-glasses-work/

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Originally posted by Storymark:

To convert 2D to real 3D (as has been done with several film, and is currently being done to the new Clash of the Titans), requires the foreground elements to be rotoscoped out of the original frame, and the background painted in behind (digitally of course) to recreate what a 2-camera 3D system would have captured.

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http://toonyphotos.com

What is rotoscope?

Rotoscope is a free software rotoscoping application that can be used to give photos a cartoon-like appearance. This is similar to the technique used in movies such as Waking Life and A Scanner Darkly.

http://toonyphotos.com/download.html

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Rotoscoping (often abbreviated as "roto") has often been used as a tool for visual effects in live-action movies. By tracing an object, a silhouette (called a matte) is created that can be used to extract that object from a scene for use on a different background. While blue and green screen techniques have made the process of layering subjects in scenes easier, rotoscoping still plays a large role in the production of visual effects imagery. Rotoscoping in the digital domain is often aided by motion tracking and onion-skinning software. Rotoscoping is often used in the preparation of garbage mattes for other matte-pulling processes.

Rotoscoping has also been used to allow a special visual effect (such as a glow, for example) to be guided by the matte or rotoscoped line. One classic use of traditional rotoscoping was in the original three Star Wars films, where it was used to create the glowing lightsaber effect, by creating a matte based on sticks held by the actors. To achieve this, editors traced a line over each frame with the prop, then enlarged each line and added the glow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping

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A 3D (Anaglyph) video based on my earlier ' Serenity (mini-clip) ' (rough 3D model), should be viewed using a Red-Cyan spectacles.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
That software is not the original meaning of rotoscoping - I was speaking of cutting the elements out, frame by frame. Yes, it's possible to rotocope out the elements yourself - but to do it well, will take hundreds if not thousands of hours. Good luck with that. AND, it still doesn't fill in the background behind the foreground elements.

That 3D model would do be do-able, since you have full control over all elements. but the full film - sure, if you want to dedicate a shitload of time to something that will turn out "okay" at the very best. The fact that you think you can do this and make it true 3D is hilarious. Again - there's a reason the process costs a lot - it takes a lot of work.

But why I am surprised that our resident crazy person has a thin grasp on the possible.

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Yes, it's possible to rotocope out the elements yourself - but to do it well, will take hundreds if not thousands of hours. Good luck with that.

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Originally posted by piratenews:

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Yes, it's possible to rotocope out the elements yourself - but to do it well, will take hundreds if not thousands of hours. Good luck with that.

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That's why God made Koreans.

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Originally posted by out2theblack:

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Originally posted by Storymark:
That software is not the original meaning of rotoscoping - I was speaking of cutting the elements out, frame by frame. Yes, it's possible to rotocope out the elements yourself - but to do it well, will take hundreds if not thousands of hours. Good luck with that. AND, it still doesn't fill in the background behind the foreground elements.

That 3D model would do be do-able, since you have full control over all elements. but the full film - sure, if you want to dedicate a shitload of time to something that will turn out "okay" at the very best. The fact that you think you can do this and make it true 3D is hilarious. Again - there's a reason the process costs a lot - it takes a lot of work.

But why I am surprised that our resident crazy person has a thin grasp on the possible.

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Well , not SO crazy , permaybehaps...Unless Toshiba scientists also possess a thin grasp , and are also able to sell it :

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1186414&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE&CFID
=74949420&CFTOKEN=48620159

http://play.tm/wire/3162903/toshiba-cell-tvs-claim-real-time-2d-to-3d-
conversion/

' CES 2010 Toshiba today heralded its Cell TV - the first telly to be powered by a processor cut from the same cloth as the chip in the PlayStation 3 - as "the future of TV". Alas, that future's too far off for the company to provide practical details like pricing. The company did indicate, however, that when Cell TV does arrive, it'll be a premium product.

Quoting figures showing that, recession notwithstanding, punters paid more for the biggest screens than they did in 2008 - the prices of smaller sets plunged - Scott Ramirez, Toshiba America Consumer Products marketing chief tacitly indicated that top-end tellies like Cell TV won't come cheap.

Toshiba's Cell TV: will not be cheap

Whatever the price, buyers will get a choice of two models: the flagship 55in and 65in ZX900, and a lesser alternative starting at 46in. Focusing on the former, Toshiba said it will contain a 3.2GHz Cell chip with eight cores, all used to render standard definition content in HD with some very smart pixel generation that yields an image virtually indistinguishable from genuine 1080p material, Toshiba claimed.

The same tech will be used to remove compression artefacts from online-sourced content before it to is upscaled.

Cell can also take any 2D content and convert it on the fly to stereoscopic 3D, for which you'll need a pair of active-shutter specs.'

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/06/ces_toshiba_cell_tv_intro/

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Originally posted by Storymark:
That software is not the original meaning of rotoscoping - I was speaking of cutting the elements out, frame by frame. Yes, it's possible to rotocope out the elements yourself - but to do it well, will take hundreds if not thousands of hours. Good luck with that. AND, it still doesn't fill in the background behind the foreground elements.

That 3D model would do be do-able, since you have full control over all elements. but the full film - sure, if you want to dedicate a shitload of time to something that will turn out "okay" at the very best. The fact that you think you can do this and make it true 3D is hilarious. Again - there's a reason the process costs a lot - it takes a lot of work.

But why I am surprised that our resident crazy person has a thin grasp on the possible.

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Well , not SO crazy , permaybehaps...Unless Toshiba scientists also possess a thin grasp , and are also able to sell it :

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1186414&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE&CFID
=74949420&CFTOKEN=48620159

http://play.tm/wire/3162903/toshiba-cell-tvs-claim-real-time-2d-to-3d-
conversion/

' CES 2010 Toshiba today heralded its Cell TV - the first telly to be powered by a processor cut from the same cloth as the chip in the PlayStation 3 - as "the future of TV". Alas, that future's too far off for the company to provide practical details like pricing. The company did indicate, however, that when Cell TV does arrive, it'll be a premium product.

Quoting figures showing that, recession notwithstanding, punters paid more for the biggest screens than they did in 2008 - the prices of smaller sets plunged - Scott Ramirez, Toshiba America Consumer Products marketing chief tacitly indicated that top-end tellies like Cell TV won't come cheap.

Toshiba's Cell TV: will not be cheap

Whatever the price, buyers will get a choice of two models: the flagship 55in and 65in ZX900, and a lesser alternative starting at 46in. Focusing on the former, Toshiba said it will contain a 3.2GHz Cell chip with eight cores, all used to render standard definition content in HD with some very smart pixel generation that yields an image virtually indistinguishable from genuine 1080p material, Toshiba claimed.

The same tech will be used to remove compression artefacts from online-sourced content before it to is upscaled.

Cell can also take any 2D content and convert it on the fly to stereoscopic 3D, for which you'll need a pair of active-shutter specs.'

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/06/ces_toshiba_cell_tv_intro/

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No, it seems you don't understand, because those links don't have anything to do with what I'm saying. Yes, there's going to be 3D capable home systems...

This has nothing to do with PN self-converting a 2D film to 3D useing consumer software.

If the cell can do it - which they have yet to demo, so I'm not sold - it's still going to be something driven by new tech, and not done with that goofy color filter PN is going on about.

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Originally posted by out2theblack:

Maybe you should go back and read the links , in that case...Since the CES 2010 , there's been a lot written about the Toshiba Cell technology , which is apparently capable of realtime 2D to 3D renders...

Point being , in any case , that a 3D version of Serenity is possible , if someone wants to spend either the time or the coin...

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Originally posted by Storymark:


Jeez.... did YOU read what I wrote?

I didn't dispute ANY of that. For Christ's sake, man, how many times do I have to tell you I'm talking about the FX plug-in PN started this with???


Which is, since this seems to be inexplicably difficult - NOT the same as the Toshiba Cell. Can you grasp that??

READ next time, rather than assuming you know what I'm saying...

And when it comes to the Toshiba cell, as I said, it remains to be seen how well the process works. Sure, they claim it'll convert 2D images to 3D, but they have yet to demo it - and there is the matter of how WELL it accomplishes the task. Or are you now going to tell me that every single claim in a press release for technology they're still developing will be 100% accurate?

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
True 3D is about more than just planes of depth, it's about merging images shot from 2 separate angles a few degrees apart (whatever our eyes are apart). You need that difference or it's just 2D times 2. That's why 3D cameras have dual lenses.



If it wasn't shot this way then it can really get you 3D, only a facsimile.

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