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Firefly Vegan Community??

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Wednesday, July 7, 2004 11:08 AM

ok so I was reading that dusty bottoms blog over on serenitymovie.com, and noticed he mentioned veganism; "But even more shocking than the lack of a vegan alternative" (even if its ever so slightly).

So that got me thinking, are their any other vegans (me being one) in the firefly community?

-j

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Wednesday, July 7, 2004 11:11 AM

HIGHIRON02

HELLO...ECHO!!

hello...echo

we got you partially surronded

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Wednesday, July 7, 2004 11:28 AM

MELEAUX

Uhm, no... If wishes were horses I'd be eating steak

She understands, she doesn't comprehend

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Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:03 PM

ANTISTRUCTURE

i can hear the crickets.. oh well.

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Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:25 PM

KIARA

We are. I'm not terribly sure how it is relevant, but here are two more for the tally.

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Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:39 PM

ANTISTRUCTURE

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Originally posted by Kiara:
We are. I'm not terribly sure how it is relevant, but here are two more for the tally.

its most definately not relevant, but it is awesome, thank you raising your proverbial hand.

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Wednesday, July 7, 2004 12:40 PM

EMBERS

not vegan
or completely veggie...
but I never eat red meat...
does that count for anything?

guess not...

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Wednesday, July 7, 2004 1:10 PM

HKCAVALIER

Vegan since '95, vegetarian for most of the rest, minus a childhood of compulsory cube steaks and ground round. Got nothing against the meat eaters here, just got no interest in eating animals.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Thursday, July 8, 2004 5:45 AM

ANTISTRUCTURE

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Got nothing against the meat eaters here, just got no interest in eating animals.

same here, same here

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Thursday, July 8, 2004 6:00 AM

SOULOFSERENITY

The Man They Call Soul...

I'm sorry, but I have an issue with eating veggies. I mean, ever since that first carrot was begging for it's life right before I bit it's orange head off...it's really heartbreaking...and peas, God just can't imagine seperating the family inside those pods...the thought of baby peas without mommy and daddy...makes me want to cry...

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Thursday, July 8, 2004 6:14 AM

ANTISTRUCTURE

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Originally posted by SoulOfSerenity:
I'm sorry, but I have an issue with eating veggies. I mean, ever since that first carrot was begging for it's life right before I bit it's orange head off...it's really heartbreaking...and peas, God just can't imagine seperating the family inside those pods...the thought of baby peas without mommy and daddy...makes me want to cry...

aigh, but if its me or them, then its me.

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Thursday, July 8, 2004 6:59 AM

JCKNIFE

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
not vegan
or completely veggie...
but I never eat red meat...
does that count for anything?

I did that for about 9 years.

Now I'm on Atkins.

Moderation is for suckers!

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Thursday, July 8, 2004 7:33 AM

KNIBBLET

Quote:
Originally posted by antistructure:
So that got me thinking, are their any other vegans (me being one) in the firefly community?

I'm a card carrying member of PETA -- The People for Eating Tasty Animals. I figure if the gods hadn't meant me to eat animals, they wouldn't have made them so damned tasty.

Our bodies were designed by nature over millenia. Our ancestors gnawed on bison bones and ate berries. I figure that evolution and nature know what they were about. My body needs meat and veggies. Who am I to stand up against nature and say "bite me"? Or something to that effect.

My friends that are veggies or vegans know that I respect their beliefs and when they come to visit, their plates (and mine) won't be bearing anything that ever had a face.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Thursday, July 8, 2004 8:17 AM

ANTISTRUCTURE

Quote:
Originally posted by Knibblet:
Our bodies were designed by nature over millenia. Our ancestors gnawed on bison bones and ate berries. I figure that evolution and nature know what they were about.

i dont disagree, i was just wondering if there were other vegans on the board, .. thats all

how come when i mention im vegan (or even mention veganism), people have to explain their ethical reasonings as to why they are not? I dont mind people who arent vegan, vegetarian or anyhting of the like, it doesnt bother me, i do it for my own personal beliefs and try not to force those beliefs onto others. I believe in respecting everyone and there decisions (inless it hurts others of course).

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Thursday, July 8, 2004 8:41 AM

SOULOFSERENITY

The Man They Call Soul...

I completely respect whatever anyone prefers to do or be, but there ain't nothing wrong with havin' a little fun...

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Thursday, July 8, 2004 9:42 AM

FEMALEJAYNE

I'm a vegietarin but I still drink milk so almost but not quite.

With Hope because love is nothing without hope.

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Thursday, July 8, 2004 9:44 AM

SPIKESPIEGEL

Not vegan, but what is clumsily called an "ovo-lacto vegetarian" ... though fairly light on the ovo and the lacto. Just can't pledge to a life without ice cream and proper pizza ...

I don't mind what anyone eats ... I hear humans taste like chicken ... mmm, chicken ...

But lest we get into evolutionary arguments brought up above, I'll take my dull, tiny canine teeth, my digestive system that handles meat so poorly, and my really poor adaptation to (unarmed) hunting, and go heat up a soyburger...

Lastly, I'm reminded of the Simpsons ep that guest-starred famed nature boy Ed Begley Jr. .. close paraphrase:

Lisa: I'm a vegetarian, too, Mr. Begley!

EBjr, contemptuously: I'm a fifth-level vegan ... I don't eat anything that casts a shadow.

"Bang."

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Thursday, July 8, 2004 11:47 AM

HJERMSTED

Veganism is SOOOO '90s!

It's all about Rawfood-ism now, get with the times!

mattro
a plain old vegetarian since '91 (sorry... can't live without ben & jerry's ice cream or mozarella cheese)

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Thursday, July 8, 2004 1:16 PM

SECURITYSIX

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Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel:
I don't mind what anyone eats ... I hear humans taste like chicken ... mmm, chicken ...

Actually, humans are more likely to taste like beef or bear, depending on their diet. Vegans and vegetarians are more likely to taste like beef. Omnivores and those who tend to eat more meat than veggies or even cannibals are more likely to taste like bear meat, I would think.

That aside (and back to the topic at hand), can't go as far as to say I'm a vegan, or even a veggie head. Let's put it this way: If I switch the amount of meat and veggies that I eat, I could be pretty close to a vegitarian.

You folks want to eat nothing but veggies, fine with me. Leaves more steak and pork chops for me.

If God didn't intend for man to eat cows and pigs, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

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Monday, July 12, 2004 3:58 AM

I'm a vegetarian.

And the thing about God is that if you believe in the Bible, it's pretty obvious Adam and Eve were veggies, actually vegans. The actual animal killing didn't seem to come into being until after Noah's ark...you know, just saying.

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Monday, July 12, 2004 3:58 AM

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Monday, July 12, 2004 7:02 AM

JASONZZZ

Actually, Man Meat tastes like a very very very greasy tallow-filled burger. It's disgusting. Maybe someone anorexic would be a better eat. But it's really grossly fatty otherwise.

Quote:
Originally posted by securitysix:
Quote:
Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel:
I don't mind what anyone eats ... I hear humans taste like chicken ... mmm, chicken ...

Actually, humans are more likely to taste like beef or bear, depending on their diet. Vegans and vegetarians are more likely to taste like beef. Omnivores and those who tend to eat more meat than veggies or even cannibals are more likely to taste like bear meat, I would think.

That aside (and back to the topic at hand), can't go as far as to say I'm a vegan, or even a veggie head. Let's put it this way: If I switch the amount of meat and veggies that I eat, I could be pretty close to a vegitarian.

You folks want to eat nothing but veggies, fine with me. Leaves more steak and pork chops for me.

If God didn't intend for man to eat cows and pigs, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.

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Monday, July 12, 2004 7:13 AM

FORRESTWOLF

My family is all ovo-lacto vegetarian - heavy on the milk (about 3 gallons a week between the 2 adults and 2 kids), but no fish, no chicken, no deceased animals (except for rennet in the cheese...sigh...).

As for actual VEGAN Browncoats, I work with someone who's family is all vegan - two adults, two kids.

Yay, veggies! Have to say, though, Firefly doesn't seem to really push the vegetarian agenda (compared with, perhaps, some of Trek lore on the subject).

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Monday, July 12, 2004 7:46 AM

WELA

I wonder how you can afford to be vegan? I'm a vegetarian, and I tried being a vegan for a while. It's just too expensive for me (for the moment). I live in Holland, milk costs 50 cents, while soy-milk costs about 2 dollars, the same goes for all the other soy stuff. I'm still a student, so can't afford to go to the special shops anymore. If you want soy stuff here you need to go the the really expensive grocery stores. I do think it's wise to make sure you still get the protein from the soy you'd normally get from the milk, butter and cheese. So a serious question: how can you afford to be a vegan?
Ohhh and I don't even wanna know why someone's question 'are there other vegans out here' turned into a discussion about how human flesh tastes

"I'd better not work with living people"

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Monday, July 12, 2004 8:13 AM

FORRESTWOLF

Even being ovo-lacto is expensive...I'll never understand why green peppers cost the same per pound as beef in America (I know, I know -subsidies, but it jus' don't make no sense).

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Monday, July 12, 2004 8:52 AM

MANIACNUMBERONE

I am somewhat of a vegetarian. I try to not eat meat often, or if I do, it's very sparingly and never bloody. ick.

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Monday, July 12, 2004 2:47 PM

INSIGHT SPINNER

I am an ex-vegetarian and am am sort of following the Hawaii Diet for weight loss right now (it's vegan low fat -- but I'm not 100%). If I had married a different person, I'd probably be 100% vegan instead of this wishy washy thing.

and if wishes were horses, my daughters would have 15 a piece to ride

insight spinner
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Just an object. It doesn't mean what you think....

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Monday, July 12, 2004 3:09 PM

JASONZZZ

urp. If I only have sex with vegetables. Does that count as being a Vegan?

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Monday, July 12, 2004 4:40 PM

SAINTOFCHEESE

Hey! i haven't posted here in a while, because things have been a little crazy, and well, you know... life. But... yeah! Vegans and firefly! yay! hehe. Well, i've been a veggie since i was 11 and I'm trying for the vegan thing now, especially since I'm living in a co-op next year at school. It's going to be shiny.

Yeah. Maybe i'll actually read all the responses to this post now. I just saw vegans and firefly and hit reply.

~*Saint of Cheese*~

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Monday, July 12, 2004 5:07 PM

SAINTOFCHEESE

Quote:
Originally posted by Wela:
I wonder how you can afford to be vegan? I'm a vegetarian, and I tried being a vegan for a while. It's just too expensive for me (for the moment). I live in Holland, milk costs 50 cents, while soy-milk costs about 2 dollars, the same goes for all the other soy stuff. I'm still a student, so can't afford to go to the special shops anymore. If you want soy stuff here you need to go the the really expensive grocery stores. I do think it's wise to make sure you still get the protein from the soy you'd normally get from the milk, butter and cheese. So a serious question: how can you afford to be a vegan?
Ohhh and I don't even wanna know why someone's question 'are there other vegans out here' turned into a discussion about how human flesh tastes

"I'd better not work with living people"

Hey, poor college student replying again. Erm, at least where I live, I dont' find it that expensive to be a vegan. I mean, I guess it would be somewhat if you're comparing buying fresh vegetables to hamburger helper, but no one lives on just one thing. Here, soymilk and such aren't too expensive, but i don't exactly drink gallons of that. :) I find that a lot of times, meat and meat alternatives are similarly priced. There are plenty of cheap things you can buy. Very few vegans actually LIVE on vegetables. I know I don't. I shop as cheap as I can... I buy veggies at the farmer's market from the local people and then suplement with what's at the store.

Also, as far as protein, you should look at how much protein is in stuff that you wouldn't expect--like fruits and veggies. I was surprised, but the fact is, you don't need to eat 3 steaks aday to get what you need. I hate having people tell me that i need to be careful, because i've been living this way most of my childhood/teenage years, and I'm pretty healthy. People say I need to watch my iron, but I've never had issues with it when i give blood. I have plenty of energy and spend my days running around after 12 year olds at the camp I'm working at this summer.

And I guess as far as the meat eater's posts on this thread, I don't have time to enumerate the ways I disagree before bed. I know many people, some fairly die-hard meat eaters, who have become vegetarians because they think that the treatment of animals is obscene and wrong. I think that it's important to at least be aware of the situation--the decision you make is your own, but I can't deal with people who choose to turn a blind eye to suffering and things that bother them. (I definitely know some people who are like, "oh, I think factory farming is so wrong, and I could never kill anyhthing, but I don't want to think about it...")

I'm a member of the REAL Peta, and I get plenty of flavor and variety in my meals without animal products.

But hey, I didn't start this conversation, I'm just replying.

~*Saint of Cheese*~

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Monday, July 12, 2004 6:34 PM

DECKROID

Not a Vegan, but I have quarrel with them folks that eat thataway. Myself, I grow my own beef. One steer at a time. That way, I know that he is 100% Organic. I feed him organicly grown hay (no pesticides) and organicly grown cracked corn (*again, no pesticides). And Dinner the Steer sure is tasty! (I name them all Dinner).

The only thing I dislike about the Veggie Community is when someone is wearing leather, be it shoes, pants, skirts, purse, thong

, or wahtever and starts to talk to me about how eating of beef is terrible and how the treatment of animals is inhuman! Well, I guess it would be, seeing as how they are not human... and as far as cattle are concerned, we humans have BRED themaway to be both tasty and upid-stay. Its best to think of them as Carrots that walk around than think of them as puppy dogs.

That's my take on it, and like I said, I have no quarrel with thems that live their life the way they want. Just dont try convertin' me. (as a famous line from a GREAT show "just keep awalkin' Preacher Man")

I call her "Vera"

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Monday, July 12, 2004 7:44 PM

MER

Not a Vegan, but I don't eat meat too often. Plus I don't think I'll ever eat meat again if it's prepared by me. It tastes weird to me O_o. I know someone who is Vegan, and it kind of worries me. I'm all for being a Vegan, but he also doesn't eat fish or tomatoe (I think)there's others too. It just makes me all worried that he's going to starve from not having too much of a choice in food I__I;; (even though I know it's not true)

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Monday, July 12, 2004 8:05 PM

JOSSTHERAPY

*raises hand* Me! Me! I am!

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Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:07 AM

IAMJACKSUSERNAME

Well, I'm all right. - Mal

Hmm, except for the raping; humans are to animals, what reavers are to people in the 'verse: "eat our flesh and sew our skins into their clothing".
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Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:56 AM

DECKROID

Obviously you haven't been spammed with emails for sites where women *love* their animals. And I dont think its in the "aw, he sure is cuddly" way of lovin'.

I call her "Vera"

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:06 PM

WILDHEAVENFARM

I'm a level 5 vegan - I don't eat anything that casts a shadow.

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:06 PM

JASONZZZ

Came across a really good article on Prof. Temple Grandin and how to treat animals humanely thru the farm and slaughter house.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5271434/

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Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:13 AM

DARKSKY

I'm vegan.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 2:38 PM

PIFFLE101

I'm a veggie. Couldnt give up milk and eggs.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 2:48 PM

CAPTAINSGAL

Cattle...as carrots that walk around! I'm sorry, but that's funny

All I got was that dumb-ass stick that sounds like it's raining...you got a wife!

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 2:56 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.

Not a vegan, but mostly a vegetarian. I still love raw fish!

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 3:07 PM

RIVERGODDESS

I've been an ovo-lacto vegetarian for 3 years now (january was the anniversary) I couldn't be happier! The Mexican side of my family wasn't too happy when I announced it (big meat eaters!), but they all got used to it. My sis and my mom steal my veggie burgers, too!

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Summer's response to Nathan getting his very own action figure:
"I tried to pull his head off."

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 3:12 PM

GARBAGECANMUSIC

I'm an ex-vegan....mainly for 3 reasons:

1) being the only vegan that you know, it's REAL difficult...(I was a vegan for 2 years)
2) It is expensive....mainly because alternative methods of eating, hell, eating "healthy" in general is damned expensive..

3) I wanted to kill people. Not that I have anything against meat eaters (obviously, I am one), but I went out of my way to NOT let people know that I was vegan, because when it slipped out, you get lectures/debates/arguements from every motherf****** meat eater in the area.

This thread is the perfect example. The person asked if there were any other vegans on this board. That was IT. The person didn't ask for political debate, didn't ask WHY you ate meat, the person asked if there were any other vegans.

But of course, they must proclaim they eat meat, make their little F****** jokes, and give you their opinion, like you really gave a flying f*** what they did to begin with.

So, I gave up veganism to avoid jail time from smashing people in the face with a f****** hammer.

Crimeny. I need a cheeseburger.

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How much is that little Geisha in the window?

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 3:26 PM

SPIKESGAMEFACE

I am a new vegetarian. Ive considered giving up dairy, but I am alergic to soybeans. I am vegan in the sense that I won't buy goods made from animal products(such as leather coats). So I am half vegan.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 6:40 PM

SAMEERTIA

I tried vegetarianism for a while, but really, I don't think my body is cut out for it. It really crashed my immune system.

However, I do know some GREAT vegan and vegetarian recipes, since I have lots of freinds who are non-meat-eaters, and I'm always looking for more.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 6:52 PM

HAPKIDO

PLANTS ARE LIVING THINGS TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 6:57 PM

GARBAGECANMUSIC

Soilent Green is PEEEEEEOOOOPPPPPLLLEEEEEE!!!!

How much is that little Geisha in the window?

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Tuesday, March 7, 2006 11:13 AM

BLACKCOLLARBROWNCOAT

I'm a vegan. It's pretty damn easy for me. Considering meat and milk are pretty expensive anyway. I used to eat lots of meat (after I gave up dairy for health reasons), then I gave up meat a little more than a year ago, and now I try not to buy crap that was tested on animals. The immune system crash is due to the cleansing process that your body was beginning to go through. I went through the same thing (especially because I actually went through a cleanse right when I ceased eating meat). In November, I was diagnosed with IBS (blame goes mostly to the antibiotics in non-free range meat). The term vegetarian is so loose now, it seems just to mean someone who doesn't eat red meat. It's stupid. I've defended myself on a number of cases, but not much more than I do because I'm an atheist. The bottom line is that you are going to deal with dumb-asses everywhere you go. They always have to get their two cents in. The same thing happened when I posted a thread asking if there were any atheist users on the site.

And I totally agree with Saint. I saw a video of the treatment, and wanted nothing to do with that business, and I used to love meat. I even got my girlfriend to break her vegetarianism for a brief period of time. She changed back when meat got too expensive for her, and I suppose her bleeding heart got the best of her as well. So now we're both vegans, and she makes killer food (meals, cookies, cakes, and other sorts of deliciousness). I don't miss animal products at all.

"Murder is a family value, in almost every home Murder is a family value three times a day"

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Tuesday, March 7, 2006 11:33 AM

COPILOT

I'm not a vegitarian or a vegan. I tried once for about a month then I ate a hamburger. People who can do it are awe inspiring to me. Anyway one of my vegitarian friends said this to me once and I laughed my arse off so now I share it with you.
I'm not a vegitarian because I love animals but because I HATE plants.
That didn't actually come across very funny but I've already typed so......yeah it's done.

An I carried such a torch

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