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Originally posted by arcplayer:
I think that you are on the right track.
Also, River apears to tap into memories as well. The lecture she gives about not peaking at the presents "its gready and not in the spirit of the holiday" sounded like it could be a memory of Jayne's mother explaining Christmass when he was a child.

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When she wakes up and says "A copper for a kiss?", I thought she could be tapping into a Jayne memory of a first kiss.

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He seemed to be noticing her as a woman when he was reviving the Tams.

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In another episode she rattles off the official designation of Serenity just as Mal enters. He said that even he can't remember all that. I thought that that was exactly where she came up with it.

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Originally posted by kef:
Someone pointed out somewhere that River was actually slashing the Blue Sun logo on Jayne's shirt. Apparently it's in the actual script. It's the same reason she tore the labels off the cans in Shindig. (is that the right episode?)

Maybe River was saying that the Blue Sun logo looked better in red- bloodstained- i.e. they have blood on their hands. Think about it.

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Originally posted by arcplayer:

In another episode she rattles off the official designation of Serenity just as Mal enters. He said that even he can't remember all that. I thought that that was exactly where she came up with it.

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Has anyone thought about why they [the writers] named the character River?

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Origionally posted by JaynesGirlfriend:

Don't forget, in addition to being psychic, River's also a fricking genius, so she didn't really have to look into Mal's head to pull up stats on the ship. I didn't sound to me as if they were specific to Serenity, I think Mal would have a been a little freaked out if they had been, more likely they were just general details in common to all Firefly ships.

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Originally posted by arcplayer:
On OOG, when it is Simon's turn to tell a funny story, is River smiling because her brother is the center of attention? Or, is she smiling because she has heard the story before? Or is she smiling because she can see the story he is trying to tell the crew?

I stated to bring up this as a psychic example, but it works just as well to think she is happy that her brother is getting attention.


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Originally posted by bobknaptor:
I wonder how long it will take the crew to realize that she is psychic and start taking her ramblings more seriously. For instance: In OoG, at Simon's birthday, the cake is in front of him, and River's face goes blank and she says "fire". Simon assumes she's talking about the candles and says he'll blow them out, and suddenly there is a huge fire on the ship.

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Originally posted by bobknaptor:
I wonder how long it will take the crew to realize that she is psychic and start taking her ramblings more seriously. For instance: In OoG, at Simon's birthday, the cake is in front of him, and River's face goes blank and she says "fire". Simon assumes she's talking about the candles and says he'll blow them out, and suddenly there is a huge fire on the ship.

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Originally posted by Docebo:
Speaking of the holidays, how do you think they determine time?

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Originally posted by kef:
Someone pointed out somewhere that River was actually slashing the Blue Sun logo on Jayne's shirt. Apparently it's in the actual script. It's the same reason she tore the labels off the cans in Shindig. (is that the right episode?)

Maybe River was saying that the Blue Sun logo looked better in red- bloodstained- i.e. they have blood on their hands. Think about it.

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Originally posted by Kurukami:
QUOTE]Originally posted by kef:
Someone pointed out somewhere that River was actually slashing the Blue Sun logo on Jayne's shirt. Apparently it's in the actual script. It's the same reason she tore the labels off the cans in Shindig. (is that the right episode?)

Maybe River was saying that the Blue Sun logo looked better in red- bloodstained- i.e. they have blood on their hands. Think about it.

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Perhaps. The chronology was:

Jayne's cleaning his knife and spits on the whetstone. Simon makes a comment about not doing that again, ever. Jayne looks scornfully at Simon and spits on the knife deliberately to finish cleaning it. River gets up to go to the kitchen, and grabs a knife while the conversation continues and Jayne sharpens his knife repetitively. Then she walks back to the table and slashes Jayne across the chest. He backhands her across the face, everyone jumps into action, and she comments "He looks better in red."

Now, here's my take on it. River, as we've seen, has some psychic gift or telepathy that she can't entirely control. She molds many of her thoughts and actions after the ways of others nearby -- as with Badger, in "Shindig". My supposition is that River "read" Jayne while he was cleaning his knife and Simon made the comment. Jayne might've been thinking that he'd like to slash the doctor across the chest in response to his comment, and then say something to the effect of "He looks better in red."

It's a bit of a stretch, but River was looking straight at Jayne when she said that -- not at any of the others. Given the later comment about River feeling everything -- and that she can't not -- it could be that she's not entirely responsible for that action. She read it from Jayne and her mind in its somewhat deluded state thought, "Hey, that's not a bad idea... particularly since he's thinking about hurting my brother."

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Originally posted by arcplayer:
When she wakes up and says "A copper for a kiss?", I thought she could be tapping into a Jayne memory of a first kiss. He seemed to be noticing her as a woman when he was reviving the Tams.

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Originally posted by Gaheris:
That IS an interesting idea. I don't buy it. River, though deluded, seems to only harbor rancor for one thing: the color blue.

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Why did it take so long - from Ariel to Trash - for River to figure out what Jayne had done, and then communicate it to Simon?

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Jayne, startled, says "Jesus." Is this a reference to Judas betraying Jesus with a kiss, for thirty pieces of silver?

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Even weirder thought, How about Jaynes initals...
Jayne Cobb, JC, Jesus Christ....

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They do that in a lot of things like in The Outsiders

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Even weirder thought, How about Jaynes initals...

Jayne Cobb, JC, Jesus Christ....

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He did come from heaven in 'Train Job'. He provided a miracle for the poor in 'Jaynes Town'. He had an idol made of him. He hangs out with a preacher, otherwise known as the Good Book.

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