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Broancoat War Atrocities?
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:13 PM
SARDONICA
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:17 PM
PURPLEBELLY
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:25 PM
SUPERFLY
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:26 PM
APEX
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:36 PM
PBI
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:54 PM
DARKSTAR351
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:56 PM
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:39 PM
WHISPERING
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:46 PM
SOUPCATCHER
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 11:38 PM
PERSON
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 5:00 AM
CORWYN
Quote: he we referring to atrocities committed by The Browncoats against the Alliance
Quote:the Alliance really hasn't done ANYTHING to show that they are any sort of "evil dictatorship."
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 5:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by corwyn: bailing out his son, (who was in a 'forbidden zone'), and needing to pass through the police station door, goes on his permanent record!
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:11 AM
BROWNCOAT1
May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
Quote:Originally posted by Sardonica: I just rewatched Bushwacked and was struck by something that the Alliance Commander said while interrogating Mal. Referring to the "survivor" of the Reever-hit derelict ship, the Alliance CO said something to the effect of, "I haven't seen such mutilation since... well, since the war." From the tone of his voice it's obvious (at least to me) that he we referring to atrocities committed by The Browncoats against the Alliance, not the other way around... This adds much depth to the history of the Firefly universe. When you come to think of it, aside from the experimentation on River (which may not be an "Alliance" project at all, but simply a privately funded science group or even Blue Sun) the Alliance really hasn't done ANYTHING to show that they are any sort of "evil dictatorship." Sure they're uptight and and beaurocratic and by-the-book, but evil power-mongers? Upon rewatching the series for the fourth time, I don't see any evidence for it. Sure we only really get the viewpoints of the main characters, but they are most certainly jaded--after all, they (Mal and Zoe, at least) fought on the other side of the war. And for that matter, Book doesn't seem overly opposed to the Alliance and their rule... Could it be that the Browncoats weren't exactly the good guys that we think they are? We're never really even were told what it was that they were fighting for, ony who they were fighting against... the Alliance. I'm sure that, as with everything, each side has it's own beliefs and motives. But it seems that there might be less to dislike the Alliance for (other than that they seem to uphold the law and crack down on criminals, which is what the Serenity crew are!) and a credible shade of doubt for the actions of the Browncoats (Mal certainly didn't even try to deny the Browncoat atrocites--in fact, his expression was one of admittance). Something to think about... Chief Editor, AFM www.apocalypsefiction.com Writer/Producer, The NUKE Brothers www.nukebrothers.com Edit: Excuse the typo in the title of this post--the edit feature doesn't seem to apply to titles...! "Browncoat" NOT "Broancoat." D'oh!
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:28 AM
SHAMBLEAU
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:29 AM
SHINYSEVEN
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:54 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BrownCoat1: It was vague as to who exactly had committed what atrocities and how they were committed. It could have been something done by one or both sides, either deliberately or as a result of modern warfare.
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:56 AM
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:03 PM
RIVERGIRL
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by rivergirl: could not he have meant ALLIANCE hadn't tortured anyone like that since the war??
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:22 PM
KELLAINA
Wednesday, July 28, 2004 5:14 PM
CCT
Thursday, July 29, 2004 9:55 AM
GRACEOM
Quote:Originally posted by cct: My two cents- "The Killer Angels", by Michael Shaara, is supposedly something that Joss read and somewhat modeled the Firefly universe after... specifically the battle of Gettysburg was the model for the battle of Serenity Valley...it's a good read. As I was reading the discussion I kept thinking about things I read in that book, about the economical and political climate that brought the conflict about. [snipped] Chris in KC
Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:19 AM
TANJAK
Quote:CAPTAIN: “Crew, a moment of respect, if you please. Passing a graveyard.” The other men in the ship respond by pulling off their hats and slightly bowing their heads, a couple looking out at the approaching ghostship.
Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:29 AM
LEXIBLOCK
Quote:Originally posted by Apex: Saffrin/Yolander was arguably lying about that, tho... who knows.
Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:58 AM
THE7OFSWORDS
Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:52 PM
RIJPE
Thursday, July 29, 2004 1:01 PM
Quote: Originally posted by BrownCoat1: It was vague as to who exactly had committed what atrocities and how they were committed. It could have been something done by one or both sides, either deliberately or as a result of modern warfare.
Quote: Yes, it's certainly vague! But, IMHO, the line also seemed to be written/delivered as a barb to take some of the wind out've Malcom's sails. I don't think that the CO was referring to an atrocity committed by Mal, per se, but rather, I did get the impression that there might've been one particularly awful atrocity committed by the Browncoats, something which has made the news and entered into popular understanding of history.
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