Movie sequels you just loathe. by OPPYH

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Movie sequels you just loathe.

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Monday, March 7, 2011 10:07 PM

Tron Legacy-I don't know what else to say other than I thought this film was just pathetic. I like Flynn, but his son was completely unnecessary. The film tries to create an emotional bond that just falls flat.
What really makes my blood boil is that the soundtrack by Daft Punk is freaking phenomenal. Its an A+ score over a D- film. This happens very, very seldom in the world of film. Usually if the movie stinks, the soundtrack won't be much better.

Indiana Jones, and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Indiana Jones has a kid, and he F^%$s up the whole picture. Surprise.

Lost Boys:The Tribe-HAhahahaha. I can no longer remember much about it. I successfully erased it from my brain.
Must have been a doozy for that to happen.

X-Men 3, Spiderman 3-Hated both equally.

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 1:58 AM

FREMDFIRMA

M.I.B.

Seriously, they shoulda quit while they were ahead, everything past the original was just emetic in its pulchritude.

-F

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 4:20 AM

LWAVES

Any sequel where they take the name of the first film and craft a new movie from it with none of the original cast involved.

Spider-Man 3.
The first two were great movies but this just sucked for the most part. Dancing Peter, too many baddies, tired acting and the obvious studio interference gave a very poor ending to what could have been a great trilogy.

Matrix Reloaded + Revolutions.
After being blown away by the first film I was disappointed by Reloaded but I had some hope they might make sense of it and make up for it with Revolutions. They didn't. It was a bigger mess and showed everyone that the now common comment of "we always planned a trilogy" was complete bull. I can't even watch The Matrix now because of the sequels and I can usually ignore bad sequels.

Indiana Jones And The Movie It Could Have Been.
I could live with it being about aliens as it fitted the time period and the opening sequence in the warehouse was good but after that it went seriously downhill. They went too OTT which is saying something for an Indy film. Bad CGI which is inexcusable these days, a lack of humour, Mac who was obviously a bad guy from the start, the fridge, the desert rat thingies, Harrison Ford being too old, Mutt's jeep sword fight, the endlessly flat jungle road, the Tarzan impression, betraying the character of Marion and on and on....
Too many problems to list them all. It has it's fans though and seems to divide people cleanly into love it or hate it. Almost the worst sequel ever IMO and will always remain a fantastic trilogy in my mind.

Highlander 2.
Worst. Sequel. Ever. What were they thinking. The first may not be the greatest movie ever but it has a good following, great soundtrack and a cool concept. The second film went ahead and pissed all over it by making them aliens, amongst other things. A crappy mess was the result but I can ignore the sequels and still love the original as a one off story.

And it's probably down to my musical tastes but I didn't like the Daft Punk score for Tron Legacy. I may be in the minority but it did nothing for me, I can't even remember it very well.
Not a terrible sequel but not very good either. A weak plot that basically retread the same steps as the original film.

"The greatest invention ever is not the wheel. It's the second wheel." - Rich Hall

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:32 AM

STORYMARK

I don't gat saying the Matrix sequels didn't make sense. They weren't what most of the audience wanted, but I didn't have any trouble following along at all. And there never was a "we planned it as a trilogy all along" talk - they were quite open with their original intent to do a prequel instead, which ended up animated in shorter form on the Animatrix set.

Anyway, off the top of my head:

Spider-Man 3 - Just awful and overstuffed.

Wolverine - Sure, it's a prequel, but I'm counting it. After a cool opening credits montage, the whole thing just goes off a cliff.

Any Alien movie after the second. Sure, 3 has great visuals, and 4 has some fun Joss-isms, but I generally dislike them quite a bit overall. And we won't even talk about AvP.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:04 AM

ZEEK

Pirates of the Caribbean 2 & 3 were awful. They went way over the top on the action sequences. They rehashed all the old jokes from the original and they didn't come up with any new jokes. I could barely force myself to sit through the 3rd just to see the end of the story.

Luckily it didn't spoil the first one for me. I still think that movie was incredibly well done.

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:35 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by lwaves:
I can't even watch The Matrix now because of the sequels and I can usually ignore bad sequels.

Sonisall & I just watched The Matrix, and we loved it. The sequels were the worst movies ever made IMO, and if you watch the first one, it CLEARLY states that there will never be peace while the machines enslave humanity. The point is to DESTROY them.
Then 9-11 came along, and the directors decided to go all retcon & find a peace between them.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:49 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by lwaves:
I can't even watch The Matrix now because of the sequels and I can usually ignore bad sequels.

Sonisall & I just watched The Matrix, and we loved it. The sequels were the worst movies ever made IMO, and if you watch the first one, it CLEARLY states that there will never be peace while the machines enslave humanity. The point is to DESTROY them.

I don't recall that being "clearly stated", nor does it jive with the philosophy present in the first film. Hell, the slavery part is debatable, since the third ended with anyone having the option to leave if they wished, and many clearly did not want out (as also established in the Holy First Film).

And I've always thought it was funny that people complain that the machine's weren't destroyed. If they had - it would have meant the death of everyone they were trying to save. Though I would like to see the audience reaction as the machines are defeated - the crowd cheers! - then sits in abject shock as every human in the Matrix is spit out into the water like Neo - millions left to drown with no means of helping them.

But I think you provide a clear example of why they didn't work for general audiences. People wanted a superhero movie, essentially more of the same, fulfilling their personal fantasies of fighting against "the man". A fairly conventional structure. But the Wachowski's wanted to make something less conventional, and delve even deeper into the themes they introduced in the first.

I think they're interesting, but highly flawed films, and I personally appreciate that they tried to do something new, rather than just make more of the same. They weren't entirely successful, but I admire the effort.

Saying they're the worst ever is hyperbolic to a ridiculous degree.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:57 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

Saying they're the worst ever is hyperbolic to a ridiculous degree.

They are the worst movies ever.
The first was innovative & clever.
The other two were made because contracts were signed, as far as I can tell. The W brothers were in a corner. And they painted their way out with nonsense.
Neo dies, Trinity dies, trinity dies, Neo dies.
PLUS the longest cartoon battles ever put on film.

If you introduce superhero themes in your first flick, don't be surprised when the audience doesn't like a sudden gear change to, ahem, "realism." LOL.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:59 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

And I've always thought it was funny that people complain that the machine's weren't destroyed. If they had - it would have meant the death of everyone they were trying to save. Though I would like to see the audience reaction as the machines are defeated - the crowd cheers! - then sits in abject shock as every human in the Matrix is spit out into the water like Neo - millions left to drown with no means of helping them.

Oh, and that's the only way it could have gone?
Wow. My head must be full of ideas that NO ONE ELSE could ever think of, I guess...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 9:42 AM

ZEEK

Oh come on worst movies ever? In Reloaded Neo is basically a superhero. Other than the vampire and werewolf BS that got shoved into Reloaded I really didn't see anything too bad about it. It wasn't revolutionary or anything but it's a decent movie. Revolutions didn't really work for me.

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:11 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Oh come on worst movies ever? In Reloaded Neo is basically a superhero.

I was willing to like Reloaded... so yeah, maybe that one doesn't technically count... but Revulsions was so heavy handed, preachy & plain dumb that it sort of ruined Reloaded for me.
I mean, look at the movies the W brothers made or produced! Hell, even Speed Racer was gold next to Revulsions!!! Everyone drops the ball once in a while, but since Matrix was (and IS) one of my favourite flicks of all time, the sting from the third film is particularly, uhhhh.. stinging...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:44 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Oh, and that's the only way it could have gone?
Wow. My head must be full of ideas that NO ONE ELSE could ever think of, I guess...

But are they constant with the world as shown?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:49 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

Saying they're the worst ever is hyperbolic to a ridiculous degree.
They are the worst movies ever.
The first was innovative & clever.
The other two were made because contracts were signed, as far as I can tell. The W brothers were in a corner. And they painted their way out with nonsense.
Neo dies, Trinity dies, trinity dies, Neo dies.
PLUS the longest cartoon battles ever put on film.

If you introduce superhero themes in your first flick, don't be surprised when the audience doesn't like a sudden gear change to, ahem, "realism." LOL.

The laughing Chrisisall

They were not contracted to do sequels.

Again, it may have been nonsense to you, but I followed along just fine.

Characters die. So what?

The superhero themes were still present, just not as simplistic as it seems you wanted. The other themes explored were also introduced in the original, so your kvetching sounds a bit whiney.

And realistic.... wtf movie were you watching? Would that be the army of one man, the flip-flopping gravity, the super-sonic flying dude, the ghost twins, the robots, or.... seriously, wtf ARE you talking about there?

It's funny - people like to complain about how no one makes original stories anymore, that they're tired of the same thing.... then when someone tries, the same people bitch that it wasn't the same thing enough.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 11:49 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

And realistic.... wtf movie were you watching?

That would be switching from a story where peeps conveniently come back from the dead to one where death is somehow suddenly final.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 12:00 PM

DREAMTROVE

How do I compete with this list?

Okay: Speed 2.

Indiana Jones 2 and 4.

Odd numbered trek films, esp. 5.

Alien3. The Ironic thing is I love the franchise and I like Fincher, it was just a mismatch.

Cringeworthy moments: (spoiler out of ritual, not that there's a snowflake's chance that there's anyone here who hasn't seen the film.)

Select to view spoiler:

Ripley who is so tough that when she kicks open the door to see a nest of 10,000 aliens she rolls her eyes.... is now terrified of prison thugs?

Killing Newt. Completely unforgivable. It voids the entire second movie, because all of the sacrifices that are made, the only thing that they *do* accomplish is rescuing her, and since they went to rescue survivors, you can call it a fools errand or a bad numerical exchange, but not a total failure... until 3.

Enemy downgrade. I don't remember what director said this, maybe it was Cameron, but "One thing you can never do in a sequel is downgrade the enemy. You have to upgrade it. People have met your enemy. They know how this story, if they want to meet it again, they'll watch your last movie." Enemy downgrade is always a fatal flaw, and this one does it to stellar proportions. We're given one argument that this alien is "evolved" but really, it's no better than the last ones, there's only one of it, and it's not really even a full queen.

Not to mention endless little flaws like the Ripley and Bishop being way out of character.

The best part of the film was the dog scene. Or the image of corporates with briefcases in one hand and assault rifles in the other.

How can a list like this have gone on this long without anyone mentioning the new Star Wars Trilogy?!? Esp. Ep. 3 OMFG.

This deserves a monolith with writing carved in stone to immortalize unparalleled badness.

Batman and Robin. WTF.

Robocop 2 was weak, but Robocop 3 was OMFG bad.

Jurassic Park, same story. Which one was it that had Nick and Sara the morons who keep bringing dinosaur chaos where hundreds of tons of lizard tramples the human encampment and no one is squashed like a bug. Hell, no one thinks about it.

But, Star Wars man... It's like Lucas looked at his original work and said "I wonder what would happen if I took this and crossed it with Claire's Knee?"

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 12:13 PM

ZEEK

I didn't list any of the star wars prequels cause it was a sequels thing. I guess you could say Episode II was a sequel to Episode I and the like, but I think they actually got a little better each time.

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 12:21 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:

How can a list like this have gone on this long without anyone mentioning the new Star Wars Trilogy?!? Esp. Ep. 3 OMFG.

For me, I didn't hate any of them - Ep 1 is my least favorite of the series by FAR, but it still has good moments and is better than a lot of adventure flicks out there. And like Zeek, I thought they improved with every installment, III being my favorite of the prequels.

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Batman and Robin. WTF.

Couldn't agree more. I can't believe I didn't list it myself - probably blocked it from memory.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 12:24 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

And realistic.... wtf movie were you watching?
That would be switching from a story where peeps conveniently come back from the dead to one where death is somehow suddenly final.

The laughing Chrisisall

Now you're bordering on deliberately disingenuous.

I can name a lot of stories where people came back from the dead, and yet death was still possible. Pretty much ANY story with resurrection still has death as an element or possibility.

But what's funny is that you so willfully ignore the context. The one guy who can transcend the rules of the Matrix survives a "death" in the world he has control over. The other deaths... they're in the really real world. Consistent with the rules of the world at hand, and context is relevant.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 1:31 PM

MOOSE

Quote:
Originally posted by lwaves:

Highlander 2.
Worst. Sequel. Ever. What were they thinking.

First thing I thought of.

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:01 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Pretty much ANY story with resurrection still has death as an element or possibility.

Okay, I give you that.
Two last issues on this for me:
Trinity gets to talk & talk & talk before dying.
Cartoon machine battles.

In a way, it's very Shakespearean, and if you like that, then the movies are arguably well worth your time.
However, IMO, killing all your characters has been done to death, pardon my intentional pun.

Peace.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:29 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Pretty much ANY story with resurrection still has death as an element or possibility.

Okay, I give you that.
Two last issues on this for me:
Trinity gets to talk & talk & talk before dying.
Cartoon machine battles.

In a way, it's very Shakespearean, and if you like that, then the movies are arguably well worth your time.
However, IMO, killing all your characters has been done to death, pardon my intentional pun.

Peace.

The laughing Chrisisall

Well, I do like me some Shakespeare.

Death isn't always instantaneous.

How many other big blockbuster franchises killed off their leads?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:53 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

How many other big blockbuster franchises killed off their leads?

I was talkin' more the classics.

What started as a cool SF/Buddhist thing ended up a Greek Tragedy w/a decidedly Judeo-Christian bent.

And for what it was, I guess it was well done.

But I *loathed* it. That's all.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 3:05 PM

DREAMTROVE

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
I didn't list any of the star wars prequels cause it was a sequels thing. I guess you could say Episode II was a sequel to Episode I and the like, but I think they actually got a little better each time.

Zeke,

Many sequels are prequels, you can rule out Indy 2 on that grounds, but 2 and 3 are sequels of 1, and 3, IMHO, had major issues. Even after 1 and 2. I thought it was similar to the degeneration of PoTC, though I think PotC 1 was more Raiders level of a film, and SW Ep 1 was definitely not.

I didn't like Resident Evil because it was still enjoyable, even will the obvious decay, and the word "loathe" was in the subject line.

A large part of it also is expectations. I mean Gremlins 2, the new batch, is a pretty sharp plummet from the first, but no one was expecting otherwise, and certainly not expecting high art. It was a watchable film, just losing the serious/silly duality of the first.

Likewise, Troll 2, which I've seen, was terrible, truly, but what did you expect?

Topically, a Bladerunner sequel rumor is bouncing around. Maybe it will actually happen. Who knows.

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 4:29 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Did anyone mention Caddyshack II yet?

Really.

The. Worst. Sequel. Ever.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, March 9, 2011 6:10 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

I gotta say the "Starship Troopers" franchise, since they skipped right to everything that could be wrong with a sequel in the very first movie.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, March 9, 2011 8:50 AM

WISHIMAY

Lion King II

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Wednesday, March 9, 2011 11:52 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST

Originally posted by dreamtrove:

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A large part of it also is expectations. I mean Gremlins 2, the new batch, is a pretty sharp plummet from the first, but no one was expecting otherwise, and certainly not expecting high art. It was a watchable film, just losing the serious/silly duality of the first.

What?! No way. I love the New Batch far more than the over sentimental Gremlins which was almost deliberatley merchanding itself.

No I'll take the anarchic 'Tex Avery' stlye humour of the New Batch every time thank you.

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Wednesday, March 9, 2011 12:06 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST

Originally posted by chrisisall:

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The sequels were the worst movies ever made IMO,

Well right off the bat The Matrix confused the hell out a me and so I found myself just watching for the set pieces. Usually I'd try and figure out all the subtexts and symbolizim but with the Matirx films it all felt like it was playing to the 'COOL'.
The sequels didn't move me much, but for pure action I prefer the second one. Plus they had the bright idea of casting Monica Bellucci
Genius

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Wednesday, March 9, 2011 1:05 PM

DREAMTROVE

Not to be conformist or anything, but I wasn't actually nominating Gremlins 2 for "loathe." Gremlins 1 had that light/dark duality that I like, as did PotC 1. However, I will not cross Phoebe Cates. So, concession on Gremlins 2, but not that it was better than Gremlins. Still, like many things, I was glad that it existed at all, which was unexpected.

ETA: Back to the Future 2

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Wednesday, March 9, 2011 3:38 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
for pure action I prefer the second one. Plus they had the bright idea of casting Monica Bellucci
Genius

TOTALLY agree.

The laughing Chrisisall

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