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A shirt designed by Fireflyfans for Firefly Fans!

POSTED BY: STILLSHINY
UPDATED: Monday, November 8, 2004 08:17
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Friday, August 27, 2004 5:29 AM

STILLSHINY


I need your help. I want to design a shirt of Favorite Firefly quotes, or Words of Wisdom from the show. Kind of a "All I learned in life I learned from Firefly" theme I have a few quotes or statements in mind. I figure about 10 - 15 statements would be good. Yes, I know this has been done before. But I think it would look great as a list on the back of a shirt. and then a final statement that says "list composed from the fans at www.fireflyfans.net" and even a tag that says

see the movie "Serenity" April 2005

I know I want these four

River - The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems.

Book - It's about faith. You don't fix faith. It fixes you.

Mal - Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back!

Jayne - Ten percent of nothing is -- let me do the math here -- nothing into nothing, carry the -

Now, I know there are a ton we can think of. I also want to keep this to a "all ages rating" We love our show and want others to know about it. Also, any of you that have had expierence with zazzle or cafe press I'm looking to you for suggestions & advice. Hopefully, we shouldn't run into any LEGAL issues here. I have a few other ideas that I'll launch into if this works. I'm not promising anything right now I'm just putting the thought out there.


"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Friday, August 27, 2004 6:35 AM

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?


Seems the "Serenity 2005" is an auto-nixer for Zazzle.

That aside, a favorite quote of mine is

"I do the job, then I get paid. Go run your little world."

Sort of sums up Mal's personality succinctly.
He just wants what he feels he deserves and cares not for what the rest of the 'verse is doing.

Oh, and Early's line

"Well, here I am."



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Friday, August 27, 2004 6:40 AM

JAKE7


My favorite line of River's was the one from OOG.

(sorry, I'm paraphrasing here)

"You think we'll die of suffocation. That isn't going to happen. We'll freeze to death first."

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MAL: Everybody's makin' a fuss.

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Friday, August 27, 2004 7:14 AM

ROCKETSURGEON


This isn't help or advice per se but it might help. I think there is a law concerning copyrights, at least in Canada, where you can put just about whatever you want on a T-shirt (including logos) and it is considered a "parody" under the law and thus protected under free speach legislation. Anyone have details on that one? Could be just a rumour.

About quotes, gotta have:
"no power in the 'verse can stop me"
" We did the impossible... and that makes us mighty"
"If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak"

Another thing to consider is the graphics. Is it too much to put all 10 charactes (yes, the ship too) and serenity/firefly in chinese charactes and planets and spaceports and such? Is there a simple composite of images that really summarises the "feeling" of the show?




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"Here's something you can't do ... [insert cool manoever here]"

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Friday, August 27, 2004 7:37 AM

WILLOWY


Don't like River's quote. Ew. Would much rather see "Also, I can kill you with my brain." for her.

Love the idea of an Early quote, and think that one's perfect.

Mal: "I think my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

Book's is too religious. I like his kneecaps quote better.

There are so many good quotes! Its hard to select some though, because taken out of context they don't really make sense. Some from Wash are particularly good. One useable one is "We all know I'm the funny one."

Hope I helped!

"Once, in flight school, I was laconic..."

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Friday, August 27, 2004 8:46 AM

RABIT


Instead of trying to nail down my "favorite" quote (I don't think I could ever do that!!! ), how about I just point you at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0303461/quotes, IMDB's Memorable Quotes section on Firefly.

Yeah, I'm lazy...

Rabit

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Friday, August 27, 2004 9:58 AM

ATREYU


"some people juggle geese"

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Friday, August 27, 2004 10:03 AM

BADGERSHAT


Here's a goodie--

"Might've been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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Also--
"I believe that woman's fixing to shoot me again"
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"What are we doing here?"
"Oh--crime!"
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"Mmm... wife soup. I musta done good."
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And, of course, the best not-funny quote--
"When you can't run crawl. And when you can't do that, get someone to carry you"


--Jefé The Hat

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--Don't bother trying to predict, figure out, second guess, criticize, or suggest anything that comes from the mind of Joss Whedon, for you shall usually be wrong, and shall find out the Truth and Purpose in due time.
(This is the Truth of Whedoning)
"I like smackin 'em"--Jayne

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Friday, August 27, 2004 10:17 AM

NWUKSTEVE


Going back to the original poster's wish for "Words of Wisdom" quotes, I recommend the Ten Things I Learned From Watching Firefly thread,
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=4&t=1967 for ideas.

However, you may then need to search further (or watch the episode, what a chore!) to get the exact quote.

Eg, the thread has "Hitting someone with a closed fist can hurt, but it is, on occasion, hilarious".

Whereas the exact quote (according to imdb as referenced by Rabit above) is "You know, they tell ya to never hit a man with a closed fist but it is, on occasion, hilarious."

Not sure if the example satisfies your "all ages rating" requirement, but then I'm not sure about the blood-draining quote either. Or if the figure of 8.6s is scientifically correct.

---
Whadyall order a TV series you don't want for?

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Friday, August 27, 2004 10:25 AM

DACUTE1


Would be nice to get at least one quote from every crew member.

Simon-

"No, this is what going mad feels like"

or

"My sister's a ship, we had a complicated childhood"

Kaylee: Wash, tell me I'm pretty
Wash: Were I unwed I would take you in a manly fashion
Kaylee: 'Cause I'm pretty?
Wash: 'Cause you're pretty

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Friday, August 27, 2004 10:56 AM

STILLSHINY


Quote:

Originally posted by nwuksteve:
Going back to the original poster's wish for "Words of Wisdom" quotes, I recommend the Ten Things I Learned From Watching Firefly thread,
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=4&t=1967 for ideas.

However, you may then need to search further (or watch the episode, what a chore!) to get the exact quote.

Eg, the thread has "Hitting someone with a closed fist can hurt, but it is, on occasion, hilarious".

Whereas the exact quote (according to imdb as referenced by Rabit above) is "You know, they tell ya to never hit a man with a closed fist but it is, on occasion, hilarious."

Not sure if the example satisfies your "all ages rating" requirement, but then I'm not sure about the blood-draining quote either. Or if the figure of 8.6s is scientifically correct.

---
Whadyall order a TV series you don't want for?




This thread the "ten things" is very much what I'm looking for. Yeah direct quotes are good, and I know that's what I used for examples but they are not as easy to get out of context. Definately love the Some people Juggle Geese bit.

So taking inspiration from the "things we've learned from the show" angle what stuff would we as a fireflyfans.net community want on our shirt?

I'm stewing on a few ideas for the front

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Friday, August 27, 2004 11:15 AM

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?


Quote:

Originally posted by Stillshiny:
So taking inspiration from the "things we've learned from the show" angle what stuff would we as a fireflyfans.net community want on our shirt?



What I've learned:

"Nothin' parts" ain't.
We're special because everyone always has the advantage over us.
Doctors do not always respect the sanctity of life...unless it is their own.
It is eerily quiet in space.
Screen your passengers with more than "My ship's the nicest!"
Whores have rights too.
Never visit someone who shot you before.
Death is just a delay in torture.
Use a tether when on/off board other people's ships.
You lose because of superior numbers.
If someone eats people, they will not pass up the opportunity to try and do so, no matter how much it looks like they will.
Chinese is a fun language to swear in!
The point of swearin' is that it ain't appropriate.
Nothing ever goes according to the gorramned plan.

some of these (like the last one) are from my upcoming Murphy's Laws of Firefly poster but feel free to use them if you like them. I am not greedy. ;)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BROWNCOATS! Rise again and promote Firefly/Serenity!
visit: http://the11thhour.home.att.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Show your Browncoat pride! I have original (meaning: designed
by me!) T-shirts and posters for sale at:
[url] http://www.zazzle.com/contributors/products/gallery/browse_results.asp
?cid=238479146958815760

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Friday, August 27, 2004 12:31 PM

DACUTE1


Trying to remember exact quote, but Kaylee in Out of Gas

"It's broke, sometimes when it's broke it can't be fixed"

Kaylee: Wash, tell me I'm pretty
Wash: Were I unwed I would take you in a manly fashion
Kaylee: 'Cause I'm pretty?
Wash: 'Cause you're pretty

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Friday, August 27, 2004 12:42 PM

SHINYHAPPYKLIN


Quote:

Originally posted by BadgersHat:
Here's a goodie--

"Might've been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
*************************



This one with a few others will be going online tonight very, very late (I'm sitting in class being bored silly now...)

I'll post the link as soon as I can.

"We gotta go to that crappy town where I'M a hero..."

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Friday, August 27, 2004 2:08 PM

CAPTMORGAN


I would like:

"Kaylee, what the hell happened?... Were there monkies?"

CaptMorgan

Capt. Morgan

MAL: "Kaylee, what the hell happened?... Where there monkies?"

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Sunday, August 29, 2004 3:47 AM

FEMALEMAL


I learned
 If someone wants you to return to your employer up-front money for a job they changed their mind about, do it.
 If you salvage a ship that Reevers attacked, get out.
 Its eerily quiet in space
 Just because you steel money and dump your partner out the airlock before leaving atmosphere, doesn’t make you a bad guy
 You can be a dirty, grease-monkey mechanic and still wear a pretty dress sometimes
 Always cut your apples before you eat them

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Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:20 AM

FEMALEMAL


when you get the shirt, let me know!

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Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:43 AM

INEVITABLEBETRAYAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Willowy:
Book's is too religious. I like his kneecaps quote better.



A religious quote? From a shepherd?? Say it ain't so!! What is this world coming to?

Get over it, Willowy. Book's a religious man. Only makes sense to be faithful to his character.

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

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Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:53 AM

JAMIECHAMBERS


"If wishes were horses, we'd all be eatin' steak!"

-- Jayne

Jamie Chambers

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Sunday, August 29, 2004 6:32 AM

WILLOWY


Smart ass. I'm just saying that because it would be more universally appealing if it weren't overly religious. Also, it didn't appeal to me personally, so I gave my opinion. We ARE still allowed to do that here, right?

"Once, in flight school, I was laconic..."

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Sunday, August 29, 2004 3:01 PM

INEVITABLEBETRAYAL


Far as I know. I only gave mine, is all.

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

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Monday, August 30, 2004 11:49 AM

LITWOLF689


Can you do quotes where its two people talking, cuz if so, I really like the one from the pilot:

Mal ~ "Wheel never stops turning, Badger."
Badger ~ "That only matters to the people on the rim."

Then my fav Jayne one:

"Pain is scary."

um... that's really all I can think of. How are the shirts coming along? Will you tell us when they are avalible? These shirts sound so cool!

"Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW! I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damnit." ~Joss

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Tuesday, August 31, 2004 6:58 AM

STILLSHINY


I posted the shirt today. Lets see what happens.

http://www.zazzle.com/contributors/products/gallery/browse_results.asp
?cid=238187680745956238



"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Tuesday, August 31, 2004 9:06 AM

LITWOLF689


WHAT A COOL SHIRT! I want to buy one! But first I got to talk to my mom about it, but I bet she would love one too! These shirts are so cool!

"Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW! I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." ~Joss

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 6:30 AM

STILLSHINY


Check out the newest addition - Riverisms T-shirt

http://www.zazzle.com/contributors/products/product/product.asp?cid=23
8187680745956238&caching=on&product%5Fid=235584274704195180&index=1



"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 8:28 AM

LITWOLF689


Quote:

Originally posted by Stillshiny:
Check out the newest addition - Riverisms T-shirt

http://www.zazzle.com/contributors/products/product/product.asp?cid=23
8187680745956238&caching=on&product%5Fid=235584274704195180&index=1



"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss



Somethings wrong. When I click on the link above, it says this:

The product that you have requested does not exist. It may have been removed from the database or it may have a maturity rating greater than your maturity level.

any ideas? I really want to see this shirt! River is my fav character!

"Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW! I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." ~Joss

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 8:36 AM

STILLSHINY


http://www.zazzle.com/products/gallery/browse_adv.asp

you may have to change your maturity settings to PG-13. I'm going to have to get that changed. I set it at the PG-13 level because of the blood draining quote.

If you need any help let men know.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 9:08 AM

LITWOLF689


Im not signed on to Zazzle, do I have to be signed on in order to change my filter rating thing?

"Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW! I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." ~Joss

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 9:11 AM

STILLSHINY


yes, you would, I'm working on a second copy of that design as we speak.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 9:19 AM

LITWOLF689


do you think, when you lower the rating, you could say so? If it does not work at that time, then I'll sign on.

Thanks for all your help.

"Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW! I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." ~Joss

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 9:27 AM

STILLSHINY


Gladly.


"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 9:29 AM

LITWOLF689


thanks a bunch!

"Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW! I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." ~Joss

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 9:34 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Cool idea.

I did always like River's quote about Killing you with my Brain to Jayne. That cracks me up.
Also her chant of:
"Two by two hands of Blue"

Early's:
"Does that seem fair to you?"

Or

"Little man loved fire."

Then Mals:
"I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge - not an ideal location- thinkin' a place in the middle."

Zoe's:
"Sir? I think you have a problem with your brain being missing"

Jaynes:
"Time for some thrilling heroics"

But there are so many and many have already mentioned the better ones.

www.cirqus.com

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 9:46 AM

STILLSHINY


http://www.zazzle.com/contributors/products/product/product.asp?cid=23
8187680745956238&caching=on&product%5Fid=235539204939995488&index=1


there you go. The new link for the Riverisms t-shirt.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 10:46 AM

LITWOLF689


Thanks! I can see it! Cool! It looks great, exspecially (sp?) because of all the different fonts you used. Great quotes, though it would have been cool if you had added in the one from objects in space "She understands, she doesnt comprehend." Oh well, its still a really cool shirt!

Any plans to make any others? These shirts rock!

"Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW! I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." ~Joss

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 12:52 PM

NORUTTINWAY


Just ordered an "All I know" T-shirt! Thanks for making those! They are just too gorram shiny!!!

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 3:48 PM

FEMALEJAYNE


LOL! I see you are a woman of my own heart. :D Why'd you pick Mal? (Same reasons I picked Jayne eh?)

I like the Inarra quote "Mal what did I say about coming in uninvited?" Mal~" That is was manly and impulsive?" Inarra~"Yes, but I believe my exact words were Don't" (Sorry if it's a little off watching Smalleville and Lex is really hott!)

With Hope because love is nothing without hope.

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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 6:06 PM

NORUTTINWAY


Really hoping you will do a "Jayneisms" shirt in the future. I'll buy!

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Thursday, September 2, 2004 2:26 AM

FEMALEMAL


lol.

I really picked that name on the spur of the moment cuz I needed one to respond to something (I've forgotten what) But, I suppose, if I were playing and RPG, Mal is the closest to the characters I like to play. Maybe sometime I will play a character like Jayne, although, from the rest of your email, I'm guessing that's NOT why you picked that name

oh, and I LOVE the Innara/Mal thing! that particular scene cracks me up evertime I watch it.

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Thursday, September 2, 2004 2:57 AM

STILLSHINY


Noruttinway, Definite possibility. Please let me know how the shirt turns out.

FemaleMal, The shop is open. New products being added frequently. Keep the suggestions & the feedback coming in.

This is one of the most enjoyable things I've ever done.

THE SHOP LINK

http://www.zazzle.com/contributors/products/gallery/browse_results.asp
?cid=238187680745956238



"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Thursday, September 2, 2004 11:11 AM

STILLSHINY


I just opened a Cafe Press shop for making misc items besides just shirts. Check it out. My first creation it what I call the Big Damn Heroes Collection mugs. I'll be adding more items as the inspiration hits me.

http://www.cafepress.com/stillshinyshop


"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Friday, September 3, 2004 3:35 AM

LITWOLF689


cool mugs, great qoutes, and a very cute teddy bear! ^_^

"Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW! I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." ~Joss

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Friday, September 3, 2004 3:38 AM

STILLSHINY


I'm working on improving the bear so I may take him down for a bit. I'm also making a Jayneisms shirt & poster for zazzle.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Friday, September 3, 2004 8:21 AM

STILLSHINY


I made some improvements to the bear and I've added some others, right now I'm working on a Jayneisms shirt.

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Friday, September 3, 2004 12:14 PM

LITWOLF689


very cool! Cant wait to see the Janyeisms shirt! Do you think there will be a bear for everymember of the crew? That would be so cool!

"Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW! I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." ~Joss

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Friday, September 3, 2004 12:16 PM

STILLSHINY


Yes, I'll make a bear for each of the 9 characters, I'll be done with the Jayneisms shirt in about 10 minutes.

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Friday, September 3, 2004 12:23 PM

STILLSHINY


Jayneisms is up hope ya'll like it. Don't forsee doing any other -isms shirts Jayne & River are the best for that style.

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"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Saturday, September 4, 2004 2:01 AM

LITWOLF689


Shiny shirts! I agree, those -ism shirts are really only good to River and Jayne. What other plans do you have in the future?

"Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW! I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." ~Joss

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Saturday, September 4, 2004 3:39 AM

STILLSHINY


Not sure right now. I got a few ideas spinning. I'm gonna mostly stick with the quotes style items. I may make a set of items with Joss quotes and whatever else hits my fancy. I love all the feedback from fff.net since this was really my inspiration to do the whole thing anyway. Looking forward to the responses from those who have purchased items. Anyway, glad to see that there is interest out there!

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http://www.zazzle.com/contributors/products/gallery/browse_results.asp
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http://www.cafepress.com/stillshinyshop

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Tuesday, September 7, 2004 11:58 AM

STILLSHINY


I made some improvements on the Jayneisms & Riverisms shirts, plus added a few variations a pocket style and a front only style. Other designs shouls be forthcoming shortly.


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http://www.zazzle.com/contributors/products/gallery/browse_results.asp
?cid=238187680745956238


http://www.cafepress.com/stillshinyshop

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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