Celestial Navigation Chart of the Verse by ShadowTek

It's a great addition to the growing materials used by fans everywhere.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 2:21 PM

Some of my post are via crackberry, so are brief.

Yellow Sun (Georgia system) and Red sun share the same orbital distance, at 68 Au I think.
Kalidasa is farther out, at 121 Au if memory serves. Kalidasa's Obital distance from White Sun is also shared by the Comm Satellite ring, if I recall correctly, meaning that there are 11 Comm Satellites, and Mr. Universe's is among them, 5th from Kalidasa in CW direction (one short of opposite Kalidasa). I think yours had 15 comm Stations, so the positions wouldn't fit the same (assuming I counted correctly).
Blue Sun is farthest out, at approx 180 Au, Not sure of the exact figure right now.

The protostar in Red Sun system I mentioned was something like Himinijborg or something akin to that (don't have my reference materials with me, and didn't find my database lately either). It is shown in the Map of the Verse to have an orbital plane at an angle from the plane of the rest of Red Sun system.

Regarding which version to use, I'm not sure if you read the threads I referenced, it may take a while to go through all of them and understand all the interwoven issues. I mentioned that Map of the Verse is canon, but both that and the Verse in Numbers do not fit with the laws of astrodynamics.
The solution I presented was to show/explain/calculate both reality and canon, which I referred to as Science numbers and Fiction numbers. This way, any Fic writers who are reading and using the data I produced or provided, investigated, may themselves choose which set of data they wish to use, and the underlying reasons the numbers are different, to help them make a more informed decision. I am told that fic writers do use the numbers and travel/navigation data which I posted, and some prefer one set of numbers, and others prefer the other. To each their own, but I saw no reason to foist my preference upon them needlessly.

My suggestion, since you have already made both, is to allow both to be used, explaining what the differences are and why (you might just reference a specific discussion or thread which already hashed out the details) and therby allow the user/reader to utilize whichever one they prefer.
There are different versions of the sequence of episodes, different versions of the fiction/science of astrodynamics, different versions of the overall timeline of Firefly/Serenity, and more. I let the fic writers choose which versions suit them best.

Hope that makes sense.
Just because I might think Beaumonde should be in Blue Sun instead of kalidasa does not mean it is correct. And only Joss can make it canon by specifying it at some point, which seems less and less likely.

If you have questions about the concepts in the threads I mentioned, I'll try to answer.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:24 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

There is an Animated Map of the 'Verse by Koen Hendrix at www.koenhendrix.com/samples/solar/
I was made aware of this map by Firefly-Signal http://firefly-signal.livejournal.com/359229.html
A view of the map with Beaumonde prominently displayed:

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:04 PM

That seems to be perspective from Kalidasa but Haven, Bernadette, Shadow, Hera seem off if the Official MotV is correct.
Making Haven so close to Beaumonde might resolve part of the BDM travel but Lilac to Beaumonde is sttill there and Mr Universe too.
MotV has Haven in Blue Sun, opposite side of the verse from Beaumonde in Kalidasa.

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Thursday, February 2, 2012 6:53 AM

You should share this little gem with the cortex.

http://cortexsystemrpg.org/viewforum.php?f=128

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Monday, February 13, 2012 3:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by yellowjacket:
You should share this little gem with the cortex.

http://cortexsystemrpg.org/viewforum.php?f=128

Im registered there but still awaiting for admin approval.

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Friday, May 11, 2012 5:28 PM

Poped in to say Hi.. been a bit since Ive been here hope all is well with you all :)

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Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:37 AM

Hello, started to rewatch firefly and it got me thinking of this place, so poped in for a "Hello"

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Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:33 AM

PENNAUSAMIKE

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowTek:
Hello, started to rewatch firefly and it got me thinking of this place, so poped in for a "Hello"

Things are a bit slow; I only visit sporadically, myself.
I tend to spend more time at www.fireflyprops.net where a
medic patch project is the current focus:
http://www.fireflyprops.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1105

Mike

My Firefly/Serenity Collection:

http://fireflydvd.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3541

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Monday, May 12, 2014 3:05 PM

Figured it was time for my yearly pop-in to say hello so... Hello!

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Monday, May 12, 2014 3:25 PM

Once I found Serenity

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowTek:
Figured it was time for my yearly pop-in to say hello so... Hello!

I have read many of the prior posts and see how hard you worked on this while receiving many great suggestions. It will stand the test of time.

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Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:18 PM

Hey thanks MIKER! I had allot of fun making it :)

Speaking of witch I noticed the link is dead in first post. hear is a direct link to the full sized/quality version.

Its over 7 megs so...

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Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:26 PM

Once I found Serenity

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowTek:
Hey thanks MIKER! I had allot of fun making it :)

Speaking of witch I noticed the link is dead in first post. hear is a direct link to the full sized/quality version.

Its over 7 megs so...

http://imgur.com/zhBz2ME

Perfect, I got it downloaded. The more I check out this map the more I am completely blown away. I also have the pdf. from a link in this thread. You fans that have been around a while have done some amazing s@/t.

I took a trip to http://www.fireflyprops.net/. Thought I might as well register. With your connections you may know someone who is interested in this: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57969

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Wednesday, May 14, 2014 4:03 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowTek:
Hey thanks MIKER! I had allot of fun making it :)

Speaking of witch I noticed the link is dead in first post. hear is a direct link to the full sized/quality version.

Its over 7 megs so...

http://imgur.com/zhBz2ME

Still the best map of the verse....ever!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, May 15, 2014 9:36 PM

The CNC is a great addition to the charts and maps of the Verse.

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Friday, May 16, 2014 4:52 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by YELLOWJACKET:
The CNC is a great addition to the charts and maps of the Verse.

Yellowjacket, When you guys do new version of The Verse In Numbers I think you should move Beumonde to the Blue Sun system. At this point I think everyone agree the offical map just got it wrong.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, May 16, 2014 5:57 PM

It's not the only thing they got wrong. I was surprised that they decided to use the phrase 'Complete' to describe a product that had room to grow, especially when limiting the number of moons around gas giants to just a handful. If we didn't leave room to grow, we couldn't add additional canon from the comics, like the moon 'Madcap' designed by Patton Oswalt.

Chris and I are revisiting the Verse in Numbers, so we'll discuss Beaumonde.

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:52 AM

Thanks everyone for the nice comments. Its nice to hear that the Verse in Numbers is being updated even now :)

You'll have to let me know when you guys are done and let me know what needs to be added/removed/adjusted to the map and I'll make the changes :)

EDIT: Im not sure it is appropriate for this site, but I also awhile back made a similar map for Battlestar Galactica "The Twelve Colonies" (The New Series) if anyone is interested.

http://imgur.com/dR7XCWc

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 12:49 PM

Once I found Serenity

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowTek:
Thanks everyone for the nice comments. Its nice to hear that the Verse in Numbers is being updated even now :)

You'll have to let me know when you guys are done and let me know what needs to be added/removed/adjusted to the map and I'll make the changes :)

EDIT: Im not sure it is appropriate for this site, but I also awhile back made a similar map for Battlestar Galactica "The Twelve Colonies" (The New Series) if anyone is interested.

http://imgur.com/dR7XCWc

Appropriate or not I posted the map in a thread I started about a week ago on Battlestar. Great show:)

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 12:51 PM

Also...

http://firefly.wikia.com/wiki/Maps_of_the_%27Verse

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 1:00 PM

Once I found Serenity

Quote:
Originally posted by YELLOWJACKET:
Also...

http://firefly.wikia.com/wiki/Maps_of_the_%27Verse

Again some hot s!@t in that link. I look at some of the talent of the fans of Firefly in the maps, patches and recreations of weapons and it is little wonder why Joss and the cast of Firefly remain drawn to the show themselves. All tryed to make it to Dallas this weekend to reunite.

Lets not forget the pod casts charity work and the list goes on.....

Just wonderful.

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:39 PM

Cool! :) I made a wiki lol

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Monday, November 7, 2016 10:31 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowTek:
Cool! :) I made a wiki lol

http://firefly.wikia.com/wiki/Maps_of_the_%27Verse

Yesterday, Nov 6th, ShadowTek posted the Celestial Navigation Chart of the Verse on the deviantart website:
www.deviantart.com/art/Celestial-Navigation-Chart-of-the-Verse-6444472
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There is a 4500x4500 pixel, 7.1 MB png file that can be downloaded.

Mr Universe’s Moon has a name. It is Sygnus.

The official description does not roll easily off the tongue: Kalidasa + 150 degrees, A/2260(White Sun)r25m9 in Cortex Relay Station Ring 2.

So Mr Universe renamed his home Sygnus.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, February 8, 2018 3:59 PM

THGRRI

Quote:
Originally posted by MIKER:
Quote:
Originally posted by YELLOWJACKET:
Also...

http://firefly.wikia.com/wiki/Maps_of_the_%27Verse

Again some hot s!@t in that link. I look at some of the talent of the fans of Firefly in the maps, patches and recreations of weapons and it is little wonder why Joss and the cast of Firefly remain drawn to the show themselves. All tryed to make it to Dallas this weekend to reunite.

Lets not forget the pod casts charity work and the list goes on.....

Just wonderful.

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Thursday, February 8, 2018 5:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowTek:
Cool! :) I made a wiki lol
http://firefly.wikia.com/wiki/Maps_of_the_%27Verse

Yesterday, Nov 6th, ShadowTek posted the Celestial Navigation Chart of the Verse on the deviantart website:
www.deviantart.com/art/Celestial-Navigation-Chart-of-the-Verse-6444472
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There is a 4500x4500 pixel, 7.1 MB png file that can be downloaded.

Quote:
Mr Universe’s Moon has a name. It is Sygnus.

The official description does not roll easily off the tongue: Kalidasa + 150 degrees, A/2260(White Sun)r25m9 in Cortex Relay Station Ring 2.

So Mr Universe renamed his home Sygnus.

I don't really understand why Georgia, Red Sun, and Kalidasa are all shown with a similar orbital distance from White Sun.
Red Sun and Georgia would be about twice the radius as The Halo, and Kalidasa almost twice the radius as those 2. Blue Sun would be 1.5x the that of Kalidasa.
Or, from the outer orbit of Blue Sun, Kalidasa orbit would be 1/3 the range to White Sun. Red Sun and Georgia orbit about half of Kalidasa. The Halo about half of that.

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Sunday, December 19, 2021 1:56 PM

THG

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