Simon makes an elitest statement by Ghoulman

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Simon makes an elitest statement

POSTED BY: GHOULMAN
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 02:10
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Friday, September 10, 2004 10:46 AM

Simon, the resident elitist (Inara too but... anyho') makes a statement about the drink 'mudders milk' in Jayne's Town.

It goes something like: "The Egyptians used alcohol to numb Pyramid slaves into working..." something like that.

But...

We know now that the Pyramids were built by well paid, honoured, and skilled artisans who lived a comparitively rich life as an upper class in Egyptian society.

Course, Simon's statement is still terrifically in character. He's just a putz sometimes eh?

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Friday, September 10, 2004 10:51 AM

THEGREYJEDI

Actually, he made the comment that the ancient form of beer gave nutrition to the slaves and the alcohol in it kept them from revolting, because they were, y'know, drunk.

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Friday, September 10, 2004 11:07 AM

GHOULMAN

^^^ ah! Thanx, I'd lent my DVDs out so...

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Friday, September 10, 2004 11:09 AM

THEGREYJEDI

Quite welcome. Though I was unaware of the recent discoveries about the builder's of the pyramids. I knew a little about them using highly skilled craftsmen, but thought there must have been slave labor involved in a project that huge.

"Well, the weren't volunteers."

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Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:01 AM

LJOSALF

Well, the year round inhabitants of the building sites for the Egyptian pyramids were highly trained and skilled but the seasonal workers were not necessarily so.

IIRC, there is evidence that the seasonal workers were brought in during the agricultural off-season, so to speak, post-harvest, pre-planting, when food could be somewhat scarce in the villages and the Pharoah's granaries were still well-stocked. Apart from providing for the Pharoah's well-being in the afterlife and by extension the continued fertility of the land of Egypt, the pyramid projects appeared to function as a cross between a civilian draft and the dole. I have not heard of contemporary Egytpian reports that the work on the pyramids was considered worthy of revolt but then the written records were produced by members of the establishment.

In light of all of which, yes, Simon paints them all with an overbroad and elitist brush.

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Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:22 AM

PURPLEBELLY

Are we discussing Tam's ignorance, or Edlund's?

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Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:36 AM

TETHYS

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:

We know now that the Pyramids were built by well paid, honoured, and skilled artisans who lived a comparitively rich life as an upper class in Egyptian society.

*snicker*..........lmmfao....

"Your mouth is talking. Might wanna see to that"

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Saturday, September 11, 2004 9:26 AM

DIETCOKE

Saw a special on Discovery about the builders and where they were buried. In their tombs they found tons of beer jugs.

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Saturday, September 11, 2004 9:42 AM

HKCAVALIER

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Simon, the resident elitist (Inara too but... anyho')

Yo Ghoul! Sorry, what makes Inara elitist ezackly? She does most of her business with the elite, that's for sure, but if that made you an elitist, maids and butlers would all be eating steak. Seems to me one of Inara's strengths personally and professionally is her ability to withold judgements. When she does judge another person, as I recall, it is always a failing of character. Am I wrong?

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Saturday, September 11, 2004 10:37 AM

THEGREYJEDI

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
but if that made you an elitist, maids and butlers would all be eating steak.

And here I thought I was an elitist because I'm better than everyone else. Turns out it's because I eat steak. Wow.

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Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:52 PM

PIRATEJENNY

actually...since actually is being used...we don't really know who built the pyramids... the egyptian pyramids is dated to me much older then orginally thought...

and since we can't to this day construct a pyramid..its likely that they weren't built by us humans!!...

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Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:05 AM

FIREFLEW

Quote:
Originally posted by TheGreyJedi:
Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
but if that made you an elitist, maids and butlers would all be eating steak.

And here I thought I was an elitist because I'm better than everyone else. Turns out it's because I eat steak. Wow.

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He meant here that if maids and butlers were elitist, and chose only to work with the elite, the employers would feed them steak all the time, because they would be in such a position of wealth to do so.

At least I think that's what is meant.

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Sunday, September 12, 2004 3:33 AM

FLYINGTAMS

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:

We know now that the Pyramids were built by well paid, honoured, and skilled artisans who lived a comparitively rich life as an upper class in Egyptian society.

Probably more like, they were designed by.

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Sunday, September 12, 2004 11:43 AM

BRUISERSMOM

The idea that slaves built the pyramids is an older interpretation of history that was accepted truth until recently. That interpretation owes a lot to the Hebrew Bible which has the Hebrews as slaves working on the pharoahs building projects. Scholars have recently started questioning whether or not the Hebrew Bible is accurate because no one has found any non-Biblical supporting evidence that the ancient Hebrews were slaves.

I don't think that Simon was being elitist in his comments. I think that he was just observing reality where alcohol can be used to sedate an oppressed population.

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Monday, September 13, 2004 6:01 AM

GHOULMAN

^^^ The Bible isn't accurate on anything it seems. I should agree with your obviously insightful comment. Personally, I tend to blame Industrial Age Empirialists who see the world as one big pyramid (and write thier history books to match thier world view)... if you get me.

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Yo Ghoul! Sorry, what makes Inara elitist ezackly? She does most of her business with the elite, that's for sure, but if that made you an elitist, maids and butlers would all be eating steak. Seems to me one of Inara's strengths personally and professionally is her ability to withold judgements. When she does judge another person, as I recall, it is always a failing of character. Am I wrong?

Not an "Elitist" but one of the Elite of Society. That is, the truly rich.

And I will back up on this, I think I'm wrong and you're right. Inara works for a living... Simon never did.

That's usually a great way to figure out who is a member of the elite and who isn't.

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Monday, September 13, 2004 6:05 AM

GHOULMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
Are we discussing Tam's ignorance, or Edlund's?

lol! Nice one!

It's a sign of Ed's education (comic books and Star Wars) but having said that I've been a HUGE fan of Ben Edlund since the good ole days of the Tick. Can't tell ya how excited I was to see his name in the Firefly writing credits. My bones were a tickled!

SPOOOOOOOON!!!

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Monday, September 13, 2004 6:41 AM

MINGHUSCHUTNEY

"And I will back up on this, I think I'm wrong and you're right. Inara works for a living... Simon never did. "

If you don't consider surgery to be work.

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Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:10 AM

GHOULMAN

^^^ hey, talk about pointing out the real!

Well, sure, but Simon comes from an elite family. He didn't become one of the elite by working as a surgeon.

Doctor is the job for elite boys if not lawyer or broker. You know, the elite aren't kings sitting on mounds of gold, they are actual people with actual lives. If you gained elite status through work you're, what? Nouveau riche? Bourgeois?

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