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Leaves on the Wind #5 Discussion (SPOILERS)

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Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:55 PM

MOOSE

Sheesh, only one more issue left?
Seems like there's a lot to cover for 25 pages.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:42 PM

WISHIMAY

Yep that's what we thought too. They won't have to find Zoe too much, I'm sure she'll have busted out by the time they get there, so that'll keep THAT down, but yeah... Another core wide wave?? Pictures of child assassins might creep out a few people...

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Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:08 AM

MUTT999

Would you say the Operative gave that guy one helluva "splitting" headache?

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Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:38 PM

MOOSE

Yeah, but nothing to lose your head over.

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 1:57 PM

ROCKETJOCK

Coming up on the climax of the mini-series, I'm more and more impressed by the way Zack W. has captured the voices of the crew. During the speech Mal gave their Alliance captive at the end of issue #5, I swear I could hear Nathan delivering the lines.

And, oh my, how the Alliance has F'd up, big time. Mal was resigned to the Independent's defeat, content to live quietly out of the line of fire. Their actions forced him back into the mindset of a soldier at war. They're going to regret that before long.

Not so sure the New Resistance is as dead as Mr. Blonde Purplebelly thinks it is, either. (Has anyone else noticed how almost none of the Alliance characters are given names?) We're shown the Alliance raiders gathered outside the meeting place ready to engage--but we're not shown the actual raid. If even some of Bea's higher-ups in the organization realized they were being set up... Cross reference Heinlein's "The Moon is a Hash Mistress" for the usefulness of Double Agents in keeping rebellions funded out of the enemy's exchequer.

I've said before how the Big Damn Movie got us about to the point in the series story arc that would have ended the second season, had there been one. "Leaves on the Wind" seems to me to be about where the third season would have begun--a serious game changer. Hope we get to see the rest of the season soon.

"On your left" -- Steve Rogers, Captain, USAR (Ret)

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Sunday, June 1, 2014 2:35 PM

STEAMER

Most curious, as well, how the Operative vanished about halfway through the comic....in that one panel of all the Browncoats pouring out of Serenity, you saw him standing with his sword in his hands like he was either just about to fall on it or had already run himself through. Yet, there were no other apparent marks of such. What's next, I wonder, if anything.

It may be a lot to cover for only 25 pages, but hey....if there are some loose ends left untied, that just opens up the door for yet another comic series, dunnit?? :D However, if we lose another BDH by the end of this one, there'll be hell to pay. Especially if it's River. Now hear this, Zacky-boy.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:35 PM

BYTEMITE

HAHAHA

The Alliance was fundin' 'em! Love that. Goes with my theory they were probably funding the original browncoats as well.

Ah, the old divide and conquer, but I know those tricks! It's so nice when they decide to be predictable, don't you think?

The writers did good. They'd set it all up perfectly. Showcased exactly the kinds of strategies a group like the Alliance would use. How they fund "terrorist" groups and push them towards criminal activity to make the arrest. Entrapment and agent saboteurs.

My favourite part of Serenity was how they revealed their secrets and tactics, I like it that they're still doin' that.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:00 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Save for the fact the Alliance trap was really stupid and failed.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:03 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
Save for the fact the Alliance trap was really stupid and failed.

That is the "Nothing Can Stop Us Now" trope. Inevitably the tide turns in favor of the heroes. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NothingCanStopUsNow

But there is always gloating and monologuing before the tide turns. It's what villains do. The Alliance villain reveals his plan:

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Malcolm Reynolds isn't your leader. I am.
You know what the biggest advantage is for enemies of the Alliance? The Alliance wears uniforms. We operate in concert. If you want to hurt us you know where to strike. You can't do much damage, haphazard and weak as you generally gorram are, but at least you know where to aim your attack. Not like that for us. You're all scattered. Scurryin' around, no rhyme or reason . . . tough to predict. That's your advantage right there. Disorganization. But you gave it up. Your one strategic advantage and you gave it up. The New Resistance. Catchy name. Helluva logo. You swarmed like flies. Where'd you think all that money was coming from?

I love when a villain answers his own question. Sorry about the sarcasm. A villain in the real world would reveal nothing, but that goes against the traditions & techniques of the entertainment industry.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:56 AM

BYTEMITE

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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
Save for the fact the Alliance trap was really stupid and failed.

They managed to round up and kill off a lot of people who were political dissenters off-screen by using their inclinations against them, which was the whole point.

It's as if they're more concerned about the danger posed by a LOT of political dissenters than the presence of a guy whose military history and tactical ability has been greatly exaggerated. How shocking.

Besides you keep assuming that any of this is supposed to be smart. No, it's supposed to be real. Our government does stupid shit like funding dangerous subversive groups just to get incriminating evidence on them all the time. Sometimes they even help them plan attacks.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:02 AM

BYTEMITE

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A villain in the real world would reveal nothing, but that goes against the traditions & techniques of the entertainment industry.

What would be the point in hiding it anymore? Alliance got their evidence, made their raid, killed a bunch of people and there's not enough resistance left to muddle through without nearly the same manpower or support. Ruse over, damage done, point made, except for the scapegoat they set up they all go home and eat cake tonight.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:20 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
Save for the fact the Alliance trap was really stupid and failed.

They managed to round up and kill off a lot of people who were political dissenters off-screen by using their inclinations against them, which was the whole point.

It's as if they're more concerned about the danger posed by a LOT of political dissenters than the presence of a guy whose military history and tactical ability has been greatly exaggerated. How shocking.

Besides you keep assuming that any of this is supposed to be smart. No, it's supposed to be real. Our government does stupid shit like funding dangerous subversive groups just to get incriminating evidence on them all the time. Sometimes they even help them plan attacks.

Yes, they managed to kill some people. They also managed to have a secrete facility broken into and one of the girls taken. They also managed to get one of their officers taken. That's the trap that failed. Hell, one other ship in orbit could have blow Sernity to hell when it came to the rescue.

Governments in the real world don't use secret programs and facilities as bait let alone leave then so undefended that a small group can break in.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:54 PM

BYTEMITE

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That's the trap that failed.

It's arguably the less important one.

They took one student who is unlikely to be friendly when she wakes up and one Alliance officer with apparently delusions of grandeur. They meanwhile left another dozen or so students apparently in Alliance custody.

It's the man behind the man in this case that's important - since this guy has appeared in other comics on Serenity's tail, it stands to reason he was the one in charge of bringing them in, and was only a small part of a larger sting operation that failed.

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Governments in the real world don't use secret programs and facilities as bait let alone leave then so undefended that a small group can break in.

Camden 28.

Not nearly on the order of encouraging them to go after a secret super soldier program, but at the same time, they probably realized that other academy students would be irresistible bait for River Tam. Know thy enemy and all that.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:59 PM

BYTEMITE

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Was this a Taliban-like situation where the Resistance/Taliban

You're thinking of Al Qaeda and the Pakistani ISI. The Taliban didn't have much to do with US and arguably before we forced them together the mujahideen and the Taliban had been struggling for control over Afghanistan up to 1996.

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Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:35 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by femmefan1946:

Is there a third power that we are unaware of-- perhaps tension between the Chinese and Western factions of the Alliance? Was this a Taliban-like situation where the Resistance/Taliban was being funded by the West/USA to control the Chinese/Russians? (And didn't that go well?)

. . . Hmm. Maybe that's the third power?

I say YES to that!

Governing the 21st century is complicated and it is all on one planet. The 26th century, spread out on many planets, will be complicated.

There will be future equivalents to H-bomb owning France and Russian with even bigger weapons than today. The Verse has cold, dead planets that were terraformed to life. There will be a quick way to undo terraforming and kill a planet. The central Alliance won't be able to force new laws on future France and future Russia.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:57 AM

DRJEKYLL

As for the Academy being poorly guarded. There is a strong suspicion that it is not actually a government project but a part of the Blue Sun commercial conglomerate (SuperSykiks'R'Us?). Hmm. Maybe that's the third power?

I like the idea of blue sun being a third party. maybe if they do another series decide to continue it.
also they haven't really popped up much in this series

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Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:52 AM

BYTEMITE

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The Verse has cold, dead planets that were terraformed to life. There will be a quick way to undo terraforming and kill a planet.

Technically, that's what happened to Shadow, and they also bombarded Hera enough that it began to effect the climate.

So not only did that already happen, but it served to put the worlds of the Independents firmly under the thumb of the Alliance.

However, I agree. There probably are factions out there.

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Thursday, June 5, 2014 4:23 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
However, I agree. There probably are factions out there.

If factions includes nations, I agree. How about a planet that is a nation like France? It has a unique culture, a widely used language, and, my favorite, it has H-bombs.

France gets along in the EU, UN, NATO, but those French nukes have a purpose that is not discussed often enough. The "France" planet in the Verse (Beaumonde sounds French to me) could be a member of the Alliance, but there are limits to how far the central planets can push the "France" planet.

In the Verse there would be something more destructive than France's H-bombs. Ordinary physics says that raising the gravity on a planet to one Earth normal requires a tremendous amount of energy. Imaginary physics says artificial gravity energy can be released, breaking a planet. Every planet with artificial gravity is a planet-sized bomb, which explains why the Alliance is so obsessed -- Sihnon is worried about exploding.

The only way for Sihnon to feel safe is controlling other planets. Does that remind anyone of the treaties to control nukes on Earth and the USA's hostility toward North Korea? Anybody remember that the USA couldn't stop Pakistan and India from making atom bombs? The USA couldn't stop France from getting the H-bomb, either.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, June 8, 2014 4:37 PM

DICKKING

I like the whole series so far. Hopefully we get another but from the email posts at the end I doubt anything soon.

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