Summer Glau's River by Docebo

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Summer Glau's River

POSTED BY: DOCEBO
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:31
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Sunday, December 8, 2002 7:42 AM

After watching "War Stories" I have to say that Summer may be my fav actor on the show. She manages to take a very hard role and make river so vulnerable and sweet. When she was talking about apple bits my heart almost broke for her.

-Docebo

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Sunday, December 8, 2002 8:31 AM

ESME

I hated River at first, but Joss got me again and now I see the plot behind her impossible behavior..and I love her.
Really I first loved her in Shendig (wait, was it in Shendig? not sure) when she affected that GREAT cockney dialect and attitude. Glau is amazing.

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Sunday, December 8, 2002 1:12 PM

GAHERIS

I'd have to agree, River is and has always been my favorite character. It's not that she's got incredible powers (which she does) or have strong force of will (which she doesn't) but rather the complete vulnerability that she has. Added to that, she has such a fresh view on everything and yet, has the knowledge which keeps her from being utterly naive like Kaylee sometimes is. "They weren't cows inside, but when they saw the sky they remembered who they were."
I think River is one of the best made "troubled" characters I've ever seen. And Summer does an excellent job portraying her. I am understandably biased for a reason, but I still think River is the best character.
-Gaheris

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Sunday, December 8, 2002 3:06 PM

KEF

Ditto, ditto and ditto!!!

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Sunday, December 8, 2002 4:43 PM

TWIRLIP

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Originally posted by esme:
I hated River at first, but Joss got me again and now I see the plot behind her impossible behavior..and I love her.

I have a working theory about River. My theory is that every word she says makes perfect sense. We, as viewers, might just not have enough context to understand her all the time. The bit about cows in "Safe?" Let's see if I can remember how it went.... "They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see the sky and they remember what they are." And Mal positively gave it away by saying, "Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?"

Listen closely to River. She has all the answers.

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Sunday, December 8, 2002 5:25 PM

CHAMPAGNESUPERNOVA

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Originally posted by Twirlip:

I have a working theory about River. My theory is that every word she says makes perfect sense. We, as viewers, might just not have enough context to understand her all the time. The bit about cows in "Safe?" Let's see if I can remember how it went.... "They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see the sky and they remember what they are." And Mal positively gave it away by saying, "Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?"

Listen closely to River. She has all the answers.

Yeah I agree definitely. It wasn't until the Christmas line that she said to Jayne (Ariel) where I realized that a lot of the stuff she says has meaning.

I don't have a lot of time these days so I hope someone who has the scripts will come around to making a list of River quotes for each episode.

BTW, she now is my favorite FF character too.

Cheers!

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Sunday, December 8, 2002 6:02 PM

DRAUGLUIN

Watch her close. Pay attention to everything she does and says.

I'm sure she has a lot more surprises up her sleeves( and anywhere else she has hidden them).

I hear her voice in my sleep.

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Sunday, December 8, 2002 6:13 PM

GAHERIS

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I hear her voice in my sleep.

For someone who uses the screenname of a "werewolf" lord of Tolkien myth... nm.

I agree, listen to River. She is more important than you know. She's not t he annoying idiot she appears to be.

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Sunday, December 8, 2002 7:03 PM

KEF

Yes!!!

Again, ditto to all of this. You guys are saying exactly what I've been trying to say for quite a while in other threads, but saying it better than I could.

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Sunday, December 8, 2002 7:04 PM

KEF

There were a couple of lines that stood out in her War Stories scene with Simon -

She told Simon that when she was feeling well that she "heard with my ears" (meaning that when she's "in chaos" she hears things other than with her ears?)

Then she says "I hate it because I know it will go away. The sun grows dark (Blue Sun?) and choas has come again."

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Sunday, December 8, 2002 7:08 PM

DRAUGLUIN

Good catch Gaheris:)

You're the first one to catch it..or at least mention it.

Was hoping someone would..you win a cookie!

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Monday, December 9, 2002 10:39 AM

OUTRYDERSIX

I really like River, she was my favorite female character from the start. she provides a greater depth to all the episodes she is in because we get to see the crew of serenity respond to her in their various ways positively or negitivly that gives us a better veiw into them. River is a difficult character and Summer Glau must be applauded for making her so painfully real.

Outryder

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Monday, December 9, 2002 11:03 AM

HJERMSTED

What I love most about Firefly is that every week I have a new favorite character. This week's faves were Wash and River.

Did anyone else get a total anime buzz from River when she expertly blew away the baddies without even looking?! Something about the way River was framed in the shot and how she fantastically exceeded human potential...

mattro

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Monday, December 9, 2002 12:47 PM

DRAUGLUIN

I started watching the show 'cause of Joss, but River is what kept me coming back. gotta know what's happening in that brain.

Have fallen for the other characters since then, and now I have an " I LOVE this show" feeling for the first time in about 6 years.

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Monday, December 9, 2002 2:40 PM

BOBKNAPTOR

River is probably my favorite too. I was listening to her speech to Simon about the apple bits thinking "they seem to be making her make more sense"... then I watched it again with a friend who'd never seen the show before, and she said "what the heck is she talking about?" and I realized I was in the same boat as Mal... Should *I* be worried that she makes perfect sense to me?

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Bob left all her new firefly quotes at home. :(

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Monday, December 9, 2002 3:03 PM

CHAMPAGNESUPERNOVA

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Originally posted by bobknaptor:
River is probably my favorite too. I was listening to her speech to Simon about the apple bits thinking "they seem to be making her make more sense"... then I watched it again with a friend who'd never seen the show before, and she said "what the heck is she talking about?" and I realized I was in the same boat as Mal... Should *I* be worried that she makes perfect sense to me?

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Bob left all her new firefly quotes at home. :(

What is the meaning behind the apple bits thing anyway? I can't seem to make any sense out of it. Can someone explain it for me?

Thanks in advance!

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Monday, December 9, 2002 3:10 PM

GAHERIS

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Originally posted by ChampagneSupernova:
Quote:
Originally posted by bobknaptor:
River is probably my favorite too. I was listening to her speech to Simon about the apple bits thinking "they seem to be making her make more sense"... then I watched it again with a friend who'd never seen the show before, and she said "what the heck is she talking about?" and I realized I was in the same boat as Mal... Should *I* be worried that she makes perfect sense to me?

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Bob left all her new firefly quotes at home. :(

What is the meaning behind the apple bits thing anyway? I can't seem to make any sense out of it. Can someone explain it for me?

Thanks in advance!

Right, Here goes. River recently threw up. On Simon's bed. She had been eating Apples. Thus, on a literal level, apple bits came up. She then begins talking about returning to chaos. That means she's lucid enough to realize that there's a time when she doesn't percieve everything right, and sometimes when she does. Like she said "I hate it because I know it'll go away" She likens her perception in "chaos" to apple bits, swirling around without purpose or design. In short it overwhelms her and she's using a colorful metaphor to describe it. For a more detailed explanation I'll have to rewatch the ep. If I do I'll get back to you but that's what I have now.

-Gaheris

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Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:45 AM

SILVERADO

I'm in love with River.

It's a simple as that.

Regards:

Silverado.

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"You had the law on you, criminals and savages... half the people on the ship have been shot or wounded including yourself, and you're harboring known fugitives."

"We're still flying."

"That's not much."

"It's enough."

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Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:31 AM

BOBKNAPTOR

I agree.... the apple bits seemed like chaos, and when she is lucid, she can keep that down, but she says she hates it because she knows it'll come back up. It seems like the beginning of an interesting debate... if you had the choice between being crazy all the time, or going back and forth between crazy and sane, and during your sane time, you knew the crazy was coming back... would you want and/or enjoy your sane time? would you prefer to be crazy all the time? I don't think that River is saying this, by the way. Just a thought I had after realizing that this is what she's going through.

In high school, I was in the "philosophy club"... which was basically a bunch of pretentioius people sitting around drinking coffee discussing these really random ideas. One of our meetings, the topic was "Is insanity a prison, or true freedom?" I think at the time(although I don't really remember for sure), I weighed in on the side of true freedom because of that whole "no rules" thought. But currently, I'm thinking more like prison... not being able to get out of your own head enough to interact with the world seems very lonely and isolated.

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Yep... Definitely my sister.

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