I saw the pilot again today (sigh....) by Hawk

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I saw the pilot again today (sigh....)

POSTED BY: HAWK
UPDATED: Friday, February 3, 2006 13:53
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Friday, February 3, 2006 6:19 AM

Watching episodes of Firefly; it's become an almost ceremonial practice for me now. I go long periods without, then out of the blue will take me and I will reverently select an episode to view again.

I just saw the pilot again, and y'know it seems every time I get to the depths of this cancellation tragedy, there are whole basement floors of tragedy beneath it...

The perfect balance of action, gunfire, explosions (so pretty!) and reserved character drama. It also struck me for the first time just how markedly different Serenity 1 and 2 is from the rest of the episodes and movie; it's brutally uncompromising with Jayne much more canny and cruel, the situations more violentand the relationships much more strained.

Anybody else find new things when they watch Firefly again?

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Friday, February 3, 2006 6:40 AM

DISKA

Quote:
Originally posted by Hawk:

Anybody else find new things when they watch Firefly again?

all the time! sometimes i re-watch them in order trying to make it last over a coupla weeks (ha yeh, because i have that much self control!) or i select random episodes and i always find something new to think about.

"Dear diary: Today I was pompous and my sister was crazy. Today we were kidnapped by hill folk, never to be seen again. It was the best day ever."

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Friday, February 3, 2006 6:44 AM

NUCLEARDAY

Yeah, I'm always finding new things to rave about. I'm pretty much obsessive-compulsive about continuity, and clearly Whedon and the writers were, too. I never get over how much carries over from one episode to the next.

Understand the ceremonial part, too. I can't any longer go more than a day without slipping a disk in and picking an episode to watch, even though I've already ran through each one a couple times. :P

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Friday, February 3, 2006 8:38 AM

MILFORD

The pilot is by far the best two episodes of the whole thing. I remember the exact two moments I was first hooked and then fell in love, and they're both from the pilot.

First, I was hooked on the previews. I knew Joss was coming out with a new show so I was watching pretty carefully. When I first saw the preview I thought it looked pretty good. But the clip at the very end, of Jayne and Kaylee in the engine room and Jayne stands and raises his fist in victory, I knew I was hooked.

After watching the out of order episodes, I knew I liked it, but I wasn't obsessed. When they showed the pilot, I saw the writing on the wall, but I watched it anyway. The scene where Mal tells Simon that Kaylee is dead, and then it cuts to them laughing on the bridge was, and is, in my opinion, the funniest thing I have ever seen in the history of TV. I knew I was in love.

All from the pilot. Imagine if that had started with, oh I don't know, THE BEGINNING. Stupid Fox.

Remember, that but for one trifling exception, the entire universe is made up of others.- Oliver Wendall Holmes

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Friday, February 3, 2006 8:44 AM

HAWK

"Kaylee's Dead" is my favourite moment of the show; it's when I first truly realised this was something quite extraordinary.

It doesn't get half the props that "I'll be in my bunk" or "mine is an evil laugh" do but I still love it!

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Friday, February 3, 2006 8:50 AM

MILFORD

Absolutely. It was so completely unexpected. If you remember, the Mal Joss wanted was much darker than the Mal the network wanted. There wasn't much levity with him in the pilot before that. It completely came out of the blue. And the way Joss shot it, with the silence of Simon's reveltaion broken by the abrupt cut of the crew's laughter is priceless.

Remember, that but for one trifling exception, the entire universe is made up of others.- Oliver Wendall Holmes

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Friday, February 3, 2006 10:25 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Hawk:
I just saw the pilot again... The perfect balance of action, gunfire, explosions (so pretty!) and reserved character drama. It also struck me for the first time just how markedly different Serenity 1 and 2 is from the rest of the episodes and movie; it's brutally uncompromising with Jayne much more canny and cruel, the situations more violentand the relationships much more strained.

it's brutally uncompromising with Jayne much more canny and cruel

Anybody else find new things when they watch Firefly again?

Jayne apparently had a "crush" on Kaylee, hence the chip on his shoulder against Dr T (and thus River).

Episode 1 was basically a 2-hour movie with comperable quality for theater release. Very similar to Serenity the BDM, but "happier". The body count was perhaps even higher in the pilot than BDM, with the Battle of Serenity Valley. BDM was payback for the pilot, which is a "nice" resolution in equity.

It was depressing, tho, to see a future with aluminum folding chairs from Walmart (ChinaMart, renamed AllianceMart).

I watched the pilot again last night. That was the first time I heard theme music from Clint Eastwood's Spaghetti westerns, during the Gunfight at the OK Coral scene, fighting over foodstuffs. So it must have been "almost" subliminal to set the mood. Funny that I didn't notice it before.

Bringing a sniper rifle and radios to a gunfight was a "nice" upgrade. Multiple headshots are good advice for anybody defending themselves from armed robbers and crooked copsters following illegal orders "for treasons of national security".

Quote:
"Two-Fry. Nice hat."
-Mal (Bad in the Latin), Serenity Pilot

You gonna do that? You gonna kill a
Lawman in cold blood... I'm not playing anymore.
Anybody makes so much as a -- "
-Officer Lawrence Dobson, Serenity Pilot

G. Gordon Liddy: When the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms thugs come to kill your wife and children, to try to disarm you and they open fire on you. When they come at the point of a gun, force and violence, when you're going to defend yourself, use that Gerand [M-1 rifle]. That thing is 30-06, and it'll take 'em right out.
Caller: And yes, aim for the head.
Liddy: Absolutely.
If Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich or Oliver North missed the Sept. 15 show, the Sept. 6 show would have helped them understand this Republican supporter's character.
Liddy: Arm yourself. Get instructed in how to shoot straight.
Caller: I've got weapons.
Liddy: Absolutely. And don't give 'em up, and don't register either.
Caller: No way. And I'm aiming between the eyes.
Liddy: There you go. That way their flak jackets won't protect them.
-G. Gordon Liddy, attorney at law, White House counsel and Watergate burgler, FBI agent, convicted felon, on Liddy's nationally syndicated radio show

"What I said is, if a federal agent comes knocking at your door-- specifically BATF--says I have a search warrant, open the door, let him in, stand aside and let him search. What I said is, if they come shooting--they're shooting at you now--you have the right to self-defense, and in that event, if they've got a body-protection armor on, you are best to shoot to the groin area."
—G. Gordon Liddy, Crossfire TV, 4/25/95

"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests."
-G. Gordon Liddy, Gordon Liddy Radio Show, 8/26/94

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For some reason, Mal forgot his own advice in BDM - puppetmaster Joss of course needed a longer movie.

BTW, FireFly and Serenity are about a nonstop civil war waged by a genocidal Gangster Government against its own citizens. US Gangsta Govt genocided 1-million US citizens, and bombed and burned down entire US cities during its last Civil War...

Quote:
"Half of writing history is hiding the truth."
-Mal, STM

"The great thing about writing science fiction is that it's basically like writing about everything in history that interests you."
-Joss W, STM DVD

"Why shouldn't fact be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, HAS to make sense."
-Mark Twain, aka Sam Clemens

I wasn't watching the pilot show, just listening to it subconsciously, as background while reading Cathy O'Brien and CIA operative Mark Phillips' book "Access Denied for Reasons of National Security" ( www.trance-formation.com ). She and her daughter were obvious models for River, via CIA's MKULTRA Project Monarch Nazi mind-control slave program (aka the evil Alliance). Good for Joss to feature such a theme for a "dark comedy" TV series and movie.

Which is probably why Fox, owned by Sir Rupert Murdock, Australian Knight of the British Empire (MI6), sabotaged the series, and sold it to Universal, owned by CIA's Carlyle Group weapons contractor for Pentagon, owned by Sir George Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire (CIA director), British Prime Minister John Major (MI6), German Queen of England Elizabeth Sax CoBerg Gotha (Monarch/MI6/Nazi), and the Bin Laden family (CIA/MI6) - all professional hands-on experts in torture-based mind kontrol and genocide.... Scary monsters - FOR REAL.

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Friday, February 3, 2006 10:30 AM

OLDFOGEY

Quote:
Originally posted by milford:
If you remember, the Mal Joss wanted was much
darker than the Mal the network wanted. There wasn't much levity with him in the pilot before
that.

One of the reasons I like the series better than
the movie is because Mal seems to enjoy himself
more. He has more fun teasing people and cutting
up. That's just so much fun to watch. It's not
like he's goofy all the time or anything, just a
perfect mix of naughty and worse.

In the movie though, he's so unhappy. I thought
it might be because Inara left - made him cranky.
The look on his face at the very end was one of
the brighter moments for me because I thought,
'Oh good, Captain's gonna be ok now, he'll
be back to his old self in the next movie.'

Lookin forward to that. Sooner is better.

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Friday, February 3, 2006 10:36 AM

MILFORD

Quote:
The look on his face at the very end was one of
the brighter moments for me because I thought,
'Oh good, Captain's gonna be ok now, he'll
be back to his old self in the next movie.'

Lookin forward to that. Sooner is better.

I think you mean he'll be back to his old self in the next series revival and the exciting movie trilogy that caps off the 15-year run of the highest rated series in TV history. At least, that's what I read.

Remember, that but for one trifling exception, the entire universe is made up of others.- Oliver Wendall Holmes

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Friday, February 3, 2006 10:38 AM

FOLLOWMAL

Milford,

I like your way of thinkin'!

" You hold. Hold til I get back." Mal

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Friday, February 3, 2006 10:43 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Yeah, the movie is a downer. It gives me scary monsters in my nightmares.

Same problem with BTVS - very funny at first, then Buffy slipping into a permanent state of depression. At least Nathan gets to play a funny good guy this time around. Same for Gina. It's like seeing Spike be a good guy (gross!), perhaps getting his own show now... Too bad for the guy who played the Alliance copster - good job tho, you can't disagree with his fate.

That's why I'd rather see a new TV series of FIREFLY, not a sequel nor series on Serenity, since FF is so much "funnier", with less good guys getting terminated. Hopefully Joss will resurrect his heros, as is his trademark, but hopefully not as sexbots, as his favoite fetish (a metaphor for MKULTRA Monarch sex slaves?).

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Friday, February 3, 2006 1:53 PM

CAPTKAR

While I love almost everything in the pilot, and many many other parts. My favorite parts of Firefly were in The Message.

1) When Zoe is trying to teach the private about "stealth" and then you hear Mals war cry(Whoo-Hoo!!!) followed by "I'm over here! Right here!" Then when he dives behind cover and says "They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I figured that out myself." I was rolling on my side with laughter! That part is excellent.

2) Then when they listen to his message. After the funny opening, followed by the suprise from the dead body, only topped-off by "The Message." I couldnt help but get touched.

3) And finally also to no suprise in The Message is Mal and Zoes story about how the private glues on the colonels mustache and stares him down with it on was just about the funniest joke i have heard. it was "Hi-Larious!"

-When you can't run you crawl, and when you can't crawl you find someone to carry you-

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