Time to bring Firefly back, this is ridiculous by Jannici

Believe me, we're working on it. No one here is sure what the hold up is either.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:26 AM

I don't think FOX wants to let go of the TV series rights, and Joss doesn't want to work with FOX ever again. SO, I think it's all pretty much up to FOX to sell the rights to air new Firefly epsiodes. Maybe, someday soon, they will give up the ghost and the Sci-Fi channel might pick it up. That would be shiney.
I know I'd donate $100 a season to get it started and keep it going.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:32 AM

Forgive my ignorance, but I thought it said in "Done the Impossible" that F*X had given Whedon and company permission to shop the show to other networks and there were no takers.

Did F*X change their minds when they couldn't find another broadcaster and decide to keep the rights?

Just trying to understand what the deal is.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:38 AM

First off, a million dollars a year actually isn't all that much. There aren't many professional-level entertainment projects that can be created for a million dollars, much less a tv series with say 24 episodes per year. That would be about $41,666 per episode, and that would have to include all the writing, cast, crew, special effects, costuming, licensing, etc etc. Maybe if Joss wanted to do Firefly Shadow Puppet Theater, but otherwise, a million dollars a year simply isn't enough to do a tv show.

Secondly, the issue isn't in finding "investors". Fox has the tv rights locked up, and doesn't appear to have any intention of either using those rights, or selling them to someone else. If they were interested in selling the tv rights, I think they would have already sold them to Universal.

As long as Fox thinks that the license could be worth something somewhere down the road -- especially if they don't have to do anything to raise that worth, but rather can sit on their hands while Universal's side of the license grows the fanbase -- they are going to sit on it. And they won't greenlight another tv show unless Universal is making piles of money of the movie license. And even if they did, hasn't Joss said he wouldn't ever work with Fox again?

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:42 AM

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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Forgive my ignorance, but I thought it said in "Done the Impossible" that F*X had given Whedon and company permission to shop the show to other networks and there were no takers.

Did F*X change their minds when they couldn't find another broadcaster and decide to keep the rights?

Just trying to understand what the deal is.

I haven't seen done the impossible, I was just going off of what I've seen in the interviews and such on the internet, movie and DVD boxset of the TV series. If the case really is that FOX gave them back the rights to make a new season, then what is the hold-up?
Well, most of the cast is tied up in either movies or tv shows now. Joss might be waiting for them to become available again.

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
First off, a million dollars a year actually isn't all that much. There aren't many professional-level entertainment projects that can be created for a million dollars, much less a tv series with say 24 episodes per year. That would be about $41,666 per episode, and that would have to include all the writing, cast, crew, special effects, costuming, licensing, etc etc. Maybe if Joss wanted to do Firefly Shadow Puppet Theater, but otherwise, a million dollars a year simply isn't enough to do a tv show.

Secondly, the issue isn't in finding "investors". Fox has the tv rights locked up, and doesn't appear to have any intention of either using those rights, or selling them to someone else. If they were interested in selling the tv rights, I think they would have already sold them to Universal.

As long as Fox thinks that the license could be worth something somewhere down the road -- especially if they don't have to do anything to raise that worth, but rather can sit on their hands while Universal's side of the license grows the fanbase -- they are going to sit on it. And they won't greenlight another tv show unless Universal is making piles of money of the movie license. And even if they did, hasn't Joss said he wouldn't ever work with Fox again?

~CK

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Yeah, Joss pretty much said he never wanted to work with FOX again. They kept making him vindicate himself every 3rd step. Plus they wouldn't let him film in widescreen and do most of the other stuff he really wanted to do. FOX has always been more action, less story. And, Firefly, has a balance of action and story, maybe more story then action at times. Which, for fans like us, is ok and we like it the way Joss plays it out. FOX doesn't seem to like that type of story telling.
Joss + FOX = no solution/they don't mix

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:46 AM

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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Forgive my ignorance, but I thought it said in "Done the Impossible" that F*X had given Whedon and company permission to shop the show to other networks and there were no takers.

Did F*X change their minds when they couldn't find another broadcaster and decide to keep the rights?

Just trying to understand what the deal is.

That's what I got from that same documentary. Joss said himself that the first thing he did when the show was cancelled was ask for the rights, and he got them. So maybe I was confused...

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:49 AM

Fox definitely still has some hold on the rights to develop Firefly for tv. When Universal got the movie rights, things were divided up very carefully. Lots of lawyers involved, I'm sure.

My best guess is that Joss asked to be allowed to shop the rights around, and Fox said yes, but then when Joss couldn't find any takers on the tv rights, the rights reverted back to Fox.

~CK

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:58 AM

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
First off, a million dollars a year actually isn't all that much. There aren't many professional-level entertainment projects that can be created for a million dollars, much less a tv series with say 24 episodes per year. That would be about $41,666 per episode, and that would have to include all the writing, cast, crew, special effects, costuming, licensing, etc etc. Maybe if Joss wanted to do Firefly Shadow Puppet Theater, but otherwise, a million dollars a year simply isn't enough to do a tv show.

Secondly, the issue isn't in finding "investors". Fox has the tv rights locked up, and doesn't appear to have any intention of either using those rights, or selling them to someone else. If they were interested in selling the tv rights, I think they would have already sold them to Universal.

As long as Fox thinks that the license could be worth something somewhere down the road -- especially if they don't have to do anything to raise that worth, but rather can sit on their hands while Universal's side of the license grows the fanbase -- they are going to sit on it. And they won't greenlight another tv show unless Universal is making piles of money of the movie license. And even if they did, hasn't Joss said he wouldn't ever work with Fox again?

~CK

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You have a very good point on everything you just said. Besides, on the Pilot Serenity they spent like $9 million or so?

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:05 AM

I think the donation is more of a sign, then really trying to help produce an entire season. A sign that we, as fans, want another season and are willing to give alittle back for it.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:07 AM

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OK... so tell me... why in the hell does FUX want to keep the rights if they're not doing anything with those rights?

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:18 AM

SILENCE

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OK... so tell me... why in the hell does FUX want to keep the rights if they're not doing anything with those rights?

They need a reason? Didn't we agree what F*X was... well, evil?

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:25 AM

My guess is that it's partly stubbornness, party evilness, and partly the idea of making money without investing money. Here's what I think Fox is hoping for:

Universal continues to develop the movie rights, which brings more and more people to the fanbase. Fox doesn't have to put up any money of their own for this. Universal starts making piles of money, and the fanbase grows to a respectable size. And then, in steps Fox, who still hold the tv rights. They now have a fanbase that they did absolutely nothing to create or grow, but which they can now make money off of. They either bring Firefly back to tv themselves, or sell the tv rights off to someone else for top dollar.

Now, all of that would be fine for us fans (if someone is actually continuing to make Firefly/Serenity, we don't mind giving them money, right?), except that the first part of Fox's plan hasn't happened yet: Universal isn't making piles of money. So until that happens, I think Fox is going to continue to sit on the tv rights. It costs them nothing to just hold on to the rights, and as long as they believe the rights could be worth something someday -- a year from now, ten -- I think they will continue to hold on to the rights.

~CK

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:28 AM

I think it was discussed that they have a practice of airing shows that have cult following potential and then snuff them within or at the end of their first season, then they just hold on to the rights and make money off of the merchandise sales.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:28 AM

Does anyone know how long F*X owns the rights?

There must be a limit, right? 5 years, 10 years?

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:31 AM

Just a wild guess, but there probably isn't any limit on how long they own the rights, other than standard copyright laws. Which would be, 70 years after Joss dies, or something like that, right?

~CK

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:34 AM

Great. So, we wait for it to become "public domain".

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:38 AM

SILENCE

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Just a wild guess, but there probably isn't any limit on how long they own the rights, other than standard copyright laws. Which would be, 70 years after Joss dies, or something like that, right?

~CK

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We can always kidnap F*X execs and force them to give Joss the rights! I mean... that would be wrong... But I'm up for it!

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:51 AM

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Besides, on the Pilot Serenity they spent like $9 million or so?

Yeah, I believe it was about $12 million for the pilot, and about $2 million for each of the following episodes.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:36 AM

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Originally posted by silence:
Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Just a wild guess, but there probably isn't any limit on how long they own the rights, other than standard copyright laws. Which would be, 70 years after Joss dies, or something like that, right?

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

We can always kidnap F*X execs and force them to give Joss the rights! I mean... that would be wrong... But I'm up for it!

See now you're thinking. I like that. At this point I would be willing to do anything to get Firefly back. If I have to kidnap someone....so be it. I am up for it as well

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:42 AM

Hey, I'm always up for a good caper...

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:25 AM

YLESS

OK, I admit I've not been around long but I was just wondering what, besides giving F*X free money in the form of donations or pledges (which is good although if they don't sell the rights they're still getting sent basically pure profit), people are proactively doing. There was talk of letter campaigns against British TV channels to get them to show it and there has obviously been success with those before in the form of a BDM but how many people are proactively doing it on a large scale now for a new series? If it's a large number and I'm just oblivious I appologise.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:33 AM

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OK, I admit I've not been around long but I was just wondering what, besides giving F*X free money in the form of donations or pledges (which is good although if they don't sell the rights they're still getting sent basically pure profit), people are proactively doing. There was talk of letter campaigns against British TV channels to get them to show it and there has obviously been success with those before in the form of a BDM but how many people are proactively doing it on a large scale now for a new series? If it's a large number and I'm just oblivious I appologise.

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The only thing that seems to be stopping it, to me at least, is Joss's unwillingness to work with FOX on making another season of Firefly(I don't blame him either.) and FOX waiting for the fan base to become as big as some of their other hit shows. I think we've covered our end and we continue to do more, but it's the other two equations to this problem that need to be solved and we can't do much more then ask them to play nice and continue the series.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:57 AM

I don't think sending donations to Fox is a good idea. In fact, I think it is a very bad idea. Even if we managed to scrape up $1 million, all we'd have done is give $1 million for absolutely nothing, and they would have no more incentive to greenlight the show than they have right now. It would be a huge waste of money and effort.

Personally, I think there are two things we can do right now. We can continue to spend time, effort, and money on things that make the fanbase known. This is everything from car decals and t-shirts, to the Ariel Ambulance Rescue and the Serenity Now screenings. It brings more people into the fandom, it gets Browncoats mentioned in the press, and it shows Fox, Universal, and anyone else who is toying with the idea of creating something based on the license that the fanbase is still going strong.

The other thing we can do is save up our money, and wait for something to be announced. We each have a finite amount of money that we can spend to support more of the 'Verse getting made, and I personally would rather put aside a small amount each month, so that once something is announced, I'll have a store of funds to use to support the cause.

As an example, let's pretend for a second that through some loophole, Fox loses the rights to produce tv shows based on the license, and those rights fall to Joss. Joss decides that he's done working with networks, and would rather create a pay-per-episode internet-only show. He knows he'll be able to make money on it in the long run, but there are a lot of up-front costs involved in getting the show going again. So he turns to the fanbase and says "If you donate X amount of money, I'll put your name in the credits." Since I've been saving up, waiting for an official announcement, I'll have the money on hand to donate to the project.

Now the above is a fairly fantastical example, and I don't actually expect that anything like that will happen. But I do believe that eventually we'll get more of the 'Verse from an official source, and I'll be happily saving up money until that happens -- at least whatever money I don't spend on things like the guidebooks and Serenity Now.

~CK

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:04 AM

JOLLY

So how do the movie rights fit into all this speculation? I can't imagine that Universal would buy a 3-movie deal from Fox that allows Fox to make another series before Universal has had a reasonable chance to exercise its options for the remaining two movies.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:04 AM

I was actually wondering this as well.

I had started a thread wondering what Joss wanted to do...

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=23321

where people were saying that another series wasn't going to happen, our only shot is another movie.

And they said we might not get the original cast, either.

Curious to know what the posters in this thread think about that.

Thanks!

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:04 AM

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:28 AM

TEACHDAIRE

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
First off, a million dollars a year actually isn't all that much. There aren't many professional-level entertainment projects that can be created for a million dollars, much less a tv series with say 24 episodes per year. That would be about $41,666 per episode, and that would have to include all the writing, cast, crew, special effects, costuming, licensing, etc etc. Maybe if Joss wanted to do Firefly Shadow Puppet Theater, but otherwise, a million dollars a year simply isn't enough to do a tv show.

I recall seeing a documentary a few years back about Star Trek TNG, where Rick Berman said it cost about $1m per episode to shoot and screen, and this was what? 10? 15? years ago. So a million dollars doesn't go far in television nowadays.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Does anyone know how long F*X owns the rights?

There must be a limit, right? 5 years, 10 years?

Yes, there is a limit. The clock started ticking the day the show was cancelled. The exact time to expiration has never been disclosed, to the best of my knowledge, but rough fan estimates - based on what Joss and other cast members have mentioned - put it around the 10 year mark. Which leaves us with a WAG of 6 years to go.

Yes, FOX has the TV rights and Universal has the movie rights. FOX keeps the TV rights because this is a business, and in a business, you don't just hand over a property to your competitor for the sheer good will of it all. That's how Hollywood is, folks, not just FOX. (Note, there are different types of "rights" in play, here. Joss holds creator's "rights" and the production companies hold production "rights," for lack of a better term. That basically means that neither side can do anything without each others' permission. And that's hugely summed up.)

There are many, many reasons why it's just not feasible to bring Firefly back to television.

This whole subject has been discussed ad nauseam by countless people for the past FOUR YEARS, which is why I was hesitant to even bother posting here (and probably why I don't see any FFF.net "old timers" posting here). Ref: tilting at windmills.

Joss and cast members have said in no uncertain terms that Firefly will not return to TV. Everyone's moved on because, no matter how big a fan you may be, this is their livelihood and they can't afford to sit around day dreaming about reviving a dead show. Now, that's not to say that there might not be any spin-offs, but it will not be our Firefly as we know and love it.

It's not my intention to sound cranky here. It's just that I've been watching the same episodes over and over for the past 4 years, so I get a bit tetchy when I have nothing to read but the same threads over and over. If you're really curious about all the history, try doing a search in the archives for all the previous discussions and facts.

In the meantime, enjoy what we got; it's more than many and certainly better than most.

Cheers.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:57 AM

Yikes, Hell's kitten. How do you really feel about this?

Pleased to meet you, too.

Ok, if this has been done to death already, why is there so much confusion about the future of Firefly on the forum?

Regarding your comment on doing a search, I had already started going through the archives and saw so many different "facts" that I finally posted, trying to sort it out. I have yet to find a Search option and so had been doing it manually by title of thread.

Please be patient with those of us new to this forum. We're happy to be here.

Maybe it would make sense to make a General Sticky kind of post in which the current understanding by the veterans here could be easily accessed by the newcomers? How would that be?

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:11 PM

ESTHER

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
I don't think sending donations to Fox is a good idea. In fact, I think it is a very bad idea. Even if we managed to scrape up $1 million, all we'd have done is give $1 million for absolutely nothing, and they would have no more incentive to greenlight the show than they have right now. It would be a huge waste of money and effort.

How about offering FX money to buy the rights from them. Imagine: a Fan site owning the rights of their favourite show! Are there any lawyers about, who could comment on this possibility?

Just a thought ...
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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:23 PM

RAE

I had heard rumors that one of the hold ups is that Joss is wanting $30 million up front to do another season. Any info on this? I'd hate to believe this was true.

Rae

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by Rae:
I had heard rumors that one of the hold ups is that Joss is wanting $30 million up front to do another season. Any info on this? I'd hate to believe this was true.

Rae

It sounds like a reasonable quote to me. He probably needs to get the set repainted or touched up. Stuff has to be moved from where ever they are storing the set and props to the new studio. Cast and crew salaries for the season. Other misc. expenses. Let's say they budgeted 1 million dollars an episode and did 24 episodes, that leaves them with 6 million to pay the staff and other expenses. It's a big number and we need to show all network companies that picking up the tab for Firefly will be worth it.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 1:20 PM

UBERGEEK

in google type:

site:fireflyfans.net your seach here

that will search fireflyfans.net for you

and I started a topic just like this one a week ago

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=23107

a new tv show wont happen. ever. A sequel is getting more unlikely by the minute. I say if Universal doesnt annouce a Sequel by March, im giving up hope.

but that is pesimistic me

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 1:25 PM

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Originally posted by ubergeek:
in google type:

site:fireflyfans.net your seach here

that will search fireflyfans.net for you

and I started a topic just like this one a week ago

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=23107

a new tv show wont happen. ever. A sequel is getting more unlikely by the minute. I say if Universal doesnt annouce a Sequel by March, im giving up hope.

but that is pesimistic me

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That and all of the cast members are either doing TV shows or movies now, so another Serenity movie or Firefly series won't happen anytime soon. *tearface*

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 1:53 PM

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Yikes, Hell's kitten. How do you really feel about this? Pleased to meet you, too.

Hiya, SeaOtter - As I said, I didn't mean to sound cranky or come across poorly.

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Ok, if this has been done to death already, why is there so much confusion about the future of Firefly on the forum?

Easy. There are a lot of new folks to the fandom (welcome!), especially since the movie came out. New folks come in, old threads get burried, old folks don't care to rehash the same-old-same-old, so the information doesn't get passed on as efficiently as we may like.

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Please be patient with those of us new to this forum. We're happy to be here.

And I'm happy you're here. No intention of impatience

. Just trying to provide a little insight into the situation without posting an incredibly long message. (Also, there are some newer folk who don't take kindly to people presenting these sorts of facts, so I tried to keep it short.) I should probably use more emoticons to make my words read cheerier?

Really, I'm a lurker, not a typer.

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Maybe it would make sense to make a General Sticky kind of post in which the current understanding by the veterans here could be easily accessed by the newcomers? How would that be?

That's really a good idea, SeaO. I thought there used to be something akin to that, but I could be recollecting incorrectly. One thread or section as the "ultimate" resource of Firefly facts and status... you should pose the suggestion to Haken.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 1:57 PM

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Maybe it would make sense to make a General Sticky kind of post in which the current understanding by the veterans here could be easily accessed by the newcomers? How would that be?

I've been in communication with Haken regarding establishing a dedicated space on the FFF.net home page just for Firefly and Serenity Fan Campaigns. Threads devoted to promotion and discussing different options for continuation of the 'Verse will live there. The area will be a "box" similar to the anchored "Latest Discussions" and "Real World FFF.net" boxes.

Haken is extremely busy with real life matters these days and often these site enhancements take a bit of time. He did however create a message board that I requested for "Firefly and Serenity Guerilla Marketing". Right now it rides the tides of activity like the other message boards... but as soon as the dedicated box is ready, all the threads under that message box will have a "sticky" place on the front page here.

I'll give Haken another nudge soon and hopefully this next stage of new FFF.net site features will be up and running soon... and there's more to come!

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 2:51 PM

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I haven't been waiting 4 years; rather just a couple of months, and as a n00b I have a feeling of complete optimism - looking at the situation as almost an 'outside,' it just seems so damn logical that FF will be back, despite what ANYONE says. For me, it's all new enough that it feels like I'm at a concert and the band has gone off the stage, and now we all just have to wait ten, fifteen minutes until the 'spontaneous' encore.

It just can't NOT be back - the handling of Firefly by FOX is one of the biggest (cruel) jokes in television, and important people in the field are laughing as much as we humble fanboys and girls. One has to imagine that a few of them are plotting and planning and working on the situation.

I'm convinced this is (just) a waiting game... in the words of my personal savior, Faith Will Be Rewarded.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:29 PM

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Originally posted by SeaOtter:
Yikes, Hell's kitten. How do you really feel about this? Pleased to meet you, too.
Hiya, SeaOtter - As I said, I didn't mean to sound cranky or come across poorly.

Well, and I was grinning in a nice way when I said it. Sorry -- it must have sounded awfully rude. My bad.

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Ok, if this has been done to death already, why is there so much confusion about the future of Firefly on the forum?
Easy. There are a lot of new folks to the fandom (welcome!), especially since the movie came out. New folks come in, old threads get burried, old folks don't care to rehash the same-old-same-old, so the information doesn't get passed on as efficiently as we may like.

Neither was I meaning that as harshly as it sounds. Truly, I think maybe caffeine and I need to part company. I work a lot with engineers and I have noticed that they are, "often right, never in doubt." So I have gotten a little nervous when I hear two confident people saying different things. Here I noticed that people were posting contradictory predictions with equal certainty and not knowing who is a veteran here and who is newer, it was getting very confusing.

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Please be patient with those of us new to this forum. We're happy to be here.
And I'm happy you're here. No intention of impatience . Just trying to provide a little insight into the situation without posting an incredibly long message. (Also, there are some newer folk who don't take kindly to people presenting these sorts of facts, so I tried to keep it short.) I should probably use more emoticons to make my words read cheerier? Really, I'm a lurker, not a typer.

I am very happy to get answers, this is great. I see a number of people talking about what can get accomplished and I wonder if they are all in the same loop. This talking here, this is good. As are my learning to use more emoticons.

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Maybe it would make sense to make a General Sticky kind of post in which the current understanding by the veterans here could be easily accessed by the newcomers? How would that be?
That's really a good idea, SeaO. I thought there used to be something akin to that, but I could be recollecting incorrectly. One thread or section as the "ultimate" resource of Firefly facts and status... you should pose the suggestion to Haken.

I think I might be on the good Haken's Bad List for proposing a change that would allow people to add their own avvies (rather than Haken's having to do it) But 11thHour might be able to? (see next post)

I really appreciate your taking the time to respond -- it was a very thoughtful post.

On a more selfish note -- I saw that you bought the Kaylee outfit and I am terribly jealous of you.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:29 PM

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Joss and cast members have said in no uncertain terms that Firefly will not return to TV.

Hell'skitten, forgive my ignorance but where did you hear this? In the interviews I've seen footage of and read, I've only heard remarks to the contrary of that. I know Joss has said it doesn't seem likely (in as many words) but still has stories to tell in the 'verse, in whatever media. All the actors have said they'd be interested in future firefly/serenity projects. Did I miss an interview or con. transcript?

Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:34 PM

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in google type:

site:fireflyfans.net your seach here

that will search fireflyfans.net for you

and I started a topic just like this one a week ago

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=23107

Ubergeek, I was in that thread. It was one of the things that had confused me, when I was looking at the other threads.

Thank you very much for the instructions on how to search. I belong to a few forums, but none of them search like this. I will learn.

Pardon the double post -- I would have made an utter muck of it had I tried to combine.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:42 PM

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Maybe it would make sense to make a General Sticky kind of post in which the current understanding by the veterans here could be easily accessed by the newcomers? How would that be?

I've been in communication with Haken regarding establishing a dedicated space on the FFF.net home page just for Firefly and Serenity Fan Campaigns. Threads devoted to promotion and discussing different options for continuation of the 'Verse will live there. The area will be a "box" similar to the anchored "Latest Discussions" and "Real World FFF.net" boxes.

Wow, that sounds great! It's wonderful to meet such good-natured (your motto is inaccurate), and focused folk, 11thHour.

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Haken is extremely busy with real life matters these days and often these site enhancements take a bit of time. He did however create a message board that I requested for "Firefly and Serenity Guerilla Marketing". Right now it rides the tides of activity like the other message boards... but as soon as the dedicated box is ready, all the threads under that message box will have a "sticky" place on the front page here.

I'll give Haken another nudge soon and hopefully this next stage of new FFF.net site features will be up and running soon... and there's more to come!

So every post about the future of Firefly we should redirect to that Guerilla forum here?

When you nudge Haken, would you ask him about the Insider's Guide to the Future of Firefly? And if we could sticky it to the top of that forum? Please?

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:36 AM

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Joss and cast members have said in no uncertain terms that Firefly will not return to TV.

Hell'skitten, forgive my ignorance but where did you hear this?

For one, I heard it from Adam Baldwin himself, in person, on a couple occassions. He even alluded to the idea of a spin-off not being out of the realm of possibility (at the "Serenity Fan Fest" after the movie premiere in LA). I've also read it in several of Joss' interviews. It's too early for my brain to be working, but I'll try to find the interviews for you to read later.

I guess, at very least, all the folks here who're attending Dragon*Con this year can ask him directly again.

Cheers.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:15 AM

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That's where it all gets confusing though. It's true that not all the actors may be available for a new series of FF, but I don't think Joss has given up on it.
Whether a new series is ever going to happen could be debatable, but here's an extract from one of Joss's interviews:

(Can see the whole interview at http://homepage.mac.com/merussell/iblog/B835531044/C1592678312/E200509
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Q. Now, let's suppose that "Serenity" finds its audience and there's a chance to make another film or, God forbid, return to television. Would it be a prequel, as I heard Chris Buchanan hint at one of the fan screenings, or would it continue the story from where we left off?

A. I would tend to continue from where I left off. That doesn't mean…. I think what Chris Buchanan was probably saying was that, you know, we would get everybody -- and I obviously don't want to get all spoiler-y --

Q. Right. I know.

A. But things that seemed irrevocable, uh, well, are -- but the movie itself already has a bit of a flashback structure, and the show had it, as well. And I think there's ways to weave in important character pieces without ruining the momentum of a sequel that would, in fact, pick up from where this left off.
I'm not a prequel buff. I don't want to see "Mal and Zoe: The Early Years" with William Katt and Tom Berenger. I mean, I do. But I'm more interested in the consequences of what has come. Because the audience has experienced it. And for me, the audience experience is the other experience -- if the people in the movie aren't going through what the audience is going through, then I'm doing something wrong. And the audience -- assuming you have a sequel -- has seen the first one. So they've lived through it. And if the characters haven't, there's a disassociation that I don't think you can ever buy back.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:22 PM

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I think it would be well to bring FF back instead of spending millions on new programing that they(and we) know won't fly at all.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:34 PM

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I guess, at very least, all the folks here who're attending Dragon*Con this year can ask him directly again.

I plan to do JUST that.. I bet he's probably tired of being asked, but he's gonna get asked AT LEAST one more time in Atlanta, And so is Summer, I promise! ;)

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:41 PM

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I've been in communication with Haken regarding establishing a dedicated space on the FFF.net home page just for Firefly and Serenity Fan Campaigns.

What about a page that contains all this information we keep arguing about? Something that's not a forumn, but a place for concrete news about the 'verse.

"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:42 PM

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It's wonderful to meet such good-natured (your motto is inaccurate), and focused folk, 11thHour.

Well, thank you, appreciate the comment. Actually the motto is a bit of complex one, but it still applies. I find the quote humorous, and it's somewhat of an inside joke I have with myself. I conduct myself in the world most often as Selina Kyle, but believe me, Catwoman is lurking within all the time. I just have to get angry enough, and she'll rise to the occasion.

Best though not to have her assistance unless absolutely necessary. Her way of addressing matters always carries consequences...

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When you nudge Haken, would you ask him about the Insider's Guide to the Future of Firefly? And if we could sticky it to the top of that forum? Please?

Funny you should ask.

Having an area where newbies can access important background info about what's happened, where we are now, and where do we go from here, will be part of a brand new area my team and I are developing.

Is this what you meant by "the Insider's Guide to the Future of Firefly?"

Really so great to see your enthusiasm! There is so much passion with the new fans and there are a lot of useful ways we can focus this renewed burst of energy to continue the 'Verse.

11th Hour

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