Farscape ?? by TheDruid

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Farscape ??

POSTED BY: THEDRUID
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:13
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Friday, August 1, 2003 4:08 PM

EVERSENCE FIREFLY WAS CANCELED I STARTED LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO REPLACE THE 1 SHOW I STAYED HOME AND WATCHED

I STARTED WATCHING RERUNS OF FARSCAPE AND DOWNLOADING THE ONES I MISSED

NOW IT SEEMS THEY WANT TO CANCEL THAT SHOW TOO
NOW READING SOME OF THE FORMUMS THEY SAY THERE IS GOING TO BE A 5TH SEASON AND SOME SAY THERES NOT

SO I HAVE A QUESTION AND A REQUEST

IS THERE GOING TO BE A 5TH SEASON
AND IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE SHOW GIVE IT A SHOT
IF YOU LIKE IT LIKE I HAVE THEN GO TO
www.watchfarscape.com
AND SEE IF YOU CAN HELP

THE DRUID

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Friday, August 1, 2003 9:51 PM

EYEBALL

NO NEED TO SHOUT!!!!

We can hear you just fine!

Thought Farscape had been canned...

Out of curiosity...

Has there ever been a show cancelled, and then brought back? With most of the actors signed up to other shows, bringing firefly back would be very difficult I would have thought?

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Friday, August 1, 2003 11:23 PM

ATHERTONWING

You know i think the fan response for roswell was so big when the wb canned it, that upn picked it up for a season but they canned it too after a really poor season.i guess thats the only show thats returned from the cancellation line.

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Saturday, August 2, 2003 4:12 AM

DEKION

Farscape was cancelled after season 4, although SciFi had already said there would be a season 5. Farscapes ratings had dropped .2 points (not much), while the cost per episode increased slightly. All of the cast of Farscape are gung ho about returning, but a season 5 is pretty much a pipe dream. Rumor is (and this rumor has been perpetuated by "no comments" by the shows creators) that Farscape will return with a 4 hour mini-series to tie off loose plot threads that they could not finish because of SciFi Channels betrayal. We shall see if this happens, but I think it would be great to see. Farscape cancellation announcement was about a year ago. I would love to see those plot threads resolved, but only time will tell.

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Saturday, August 2, 2003 8:41 AM

NICOLA

Quote:
Originally posted by eyeball:
Has there ever been a show cancelled, and then brought back? With most of the actors signed up to other shows, bringing firefly back would be very difficult I would have thought?

Don't forget the all time fan favourite Star Trek. It was, I believe, the very first show that was brought back from cancelation oblivion.

As far as Farscape goes, I am pretty hopeful that this show will return. The Henson family has just regained control of their company (as of August 1, 2003) and of Farscape and they seem pretty committed to at least finishing the Farscape story.

It took 10 years for Star Trek to go from cancellation to movie(s) and then back to a TV series, so I am actually pretty hopeful. As I am for Firefly. (Just don't want to wait 10 years!)

As a side note, I have been following some of the various "save my show" campaigns, and I guess my take on the whole issue is; the powers that be at the networks have enormous contempt for Science Fiction fans. The fans who just happen to be their customers.

Some of the comments that have been said and the strategies that have been formulated to 'manage' the fan base have really offended me.

In my view, it just really is not a good marketing strategy to mortally offend your customers.

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Saturday, August 2, 2003 9:22 AM

SKIP

Ok, a show that was cancelled and subsequently rescued was SLIDERS! (Another FOX show!)

It premiered on FOX in 1995, and stayed on the air for 3 seasons (although the first 2 seasons only had 23 episodes combined) with strong ratings and a decent fan base. FOX then cancelled the show, the last new episode aired in May of 1997.

After significant outcries from the fans, the SCI-FI channel renewed the series for 2 more seasons (it could have been more, but the lead actor Jerry O'Connell didn't come back for the 5th season so ratings took a nose dive)

Anyways, guess I just wanted to let you know it can and has happened in the past.

One of these days I'm going to make a list of all the promising shows FOX has prematurely killed...

I loved Farscape... I've seen every episode and love the many different species/creatures, the interactions amongst the crew, the growth of the characters (esp John) from season 1 to present. I especially appreciate the fact that mankind isn't a major player in the universe unlike 99% of the other sci fi shows!

I hope it gets renewed (I hope Firefly is renewed as well DUH!)... Otherwise, next season is going to be pretty slow for me!

Thanks for reading,

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Saturday, August 2, 2003 10:05 AM

COLLEGEDUDE153

Farscape - i can't say enough to praise this show - to say it was a great show , well it's an understatement. This show was so creative in it storytelling and it's character development.The acting was always great ! It deserved more attention - it was refreshingly different !

All I hope for is some sort of wrap up movie or mini-series !

hopefully it'll happen one day

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Saturday, August 2, 2003 1:10 PM

INVISIBLEGREEN

"For Your Love" was cancelled at least three times. I started watching it on the WB, but before that it was on another channel (ABC maybe) and possibly NBC before that, I can't remember. Anyway, after a while, The WB cancelled it, then they ordered another [half]-season as a potential mid-season replacement, and they actually ended up using it, though the show was subsequently cancelled for a third or fourth time.

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Sunday, August 3, 2003 2:41 AM

MERETEAN

After Pretender was cancelled, they made two tv movies. It's rare, but things can happen.

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Sunday, August 3, 2003 8:51 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC

Sliders, Farsacpe, the Pretender, and of course Firefly, all ended before they should have. Even through it wasn’t really sliders without Quin there should have been an ending, instead there was another cliffhanger. Extra disappointing considering Sci-Fi’s count down the last episode made it seem like there would be some sort of confusion. Good or bad (as in happy or sad) an ending was owed.

The Pretender many of us still hold out hope for another movie to continue it, but the last one didn’t deliver as well as it might have. Farscape and Firefly we all know about.

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Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:54 PM

THEDRUID

thanks for all the attention to my post and i am truly sorry for YELLING!!!!

does any one know where i can purchace any of the firefly or farsape season(s)

Thanks again

scott
The Druid

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Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:50 AM

NICOLA

Both Firefly and Farscape can be purchased on DVD from Amazon.com.

Unfortunately Firefly is only on preorder, but it is supposed to be released December 9 (I believe) so take that as you will.

You can order Farscape (also on Amazon), but my advice is to order the complete season packages rather than the individual collections.

Only season one (complete) is available so far, but season two (complete) is available for preorder and is supposed to be released October 28.

I highly recommend Farscape. I would describe this show as art. Cinematic art. Written art. Dramatic art. It hits all the marks (except for maybe six episodes in season one - good episodes but not art.)

Firefly is (of course) an equally astonishing show, but it never got the chance (yet) to reach the same level of quality that Farscape did. Which is a crime.

Anyway, I am confident that both shows are not dead, and will surprise everyone in the not to distant future.

Sci Fi fans are loyal, dedicated and committed. Something most network executives really do not understand.

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Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:27 PM

JARHEAD

The Magnificent Seven.

A classic film devolped for television, staring Michael Bien, Eric Close, Laurie Holden. Premiered on UPN, moved to CBS, was batted around to a few timeslots before landing on Friday night, where it did poorly and was canceled. Imagine that.

It was brought back the following year after a fan letter writing campaign, and was given a Saturday night timeslot. Me, I'd have put it on after JAG, which had quite a few crossover fans, and had conquered it's timeslot soundly with Mag7's target demographic. But hey, you all know how everyone was screaming for 60 MinutesII.

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:26 PM

SERGEANTX

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Haken a big fan of Farscape as well as Firefly?

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

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Sunday, September 14, 2003 7:45 AM

SERGEANTX

Btw, for you Farscape fans out there, what would be the best introduction to the series? Should I start at the pilot and go from there, or should I start later. I've heard the first season wasn't that great.

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

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Sunday, September 14, 2003 3:37 PM

BLACKSTAR

Truth to be told, several of the first season eps weren't as strong as the later ones, but they were still good. I would suggest starting with the pilot and going from there, since many of the later episodes are dependent on early episodes. Trust me, once you give Farscape a chance, you wont look back.

Oh, my God! Who's flying this thing? Oh, right, that would be me...

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Monday, September 15, 2003 1:06 AM

IDEFIX

most 'bad' farscape EPs are still better than most 'good' other TV EPs. and what the really bad ones are is still dabated, depends on taste more than anything because there are (almost) no really bad ones.

so start with the pilot and watch in order and steadily. you'll see hints in S4 back to S1 EPs, and so on. and when you're done, watch again from the start. there are lots of little things you will have missed on the first run and can then really appreciate on the second run.

I do love Farscape and have watched my UK DVDs now numerous times. it's not at all like Firefly as it's about almost only aliens and just one human. but it's much like Firefly as in the big "alliances" are the bad guys and the running fugitives and criminals are the good guys. there's no military structure that's portrait as good and not even a captain on board. they do vote for a capatain in the middle of S4 but no one listens to the elected captain afterwards because it just doesn't work for them. whoever has the plan is boss and everyone plays to their strengths. that's how it works on Moya and if you like that concept (roleplayer?) you'll love the dynamic of the crew.

they are all well developed characters, the actors are great and the stories are fresh. there are "used plots" that others have done before but they always work out in a very Farscapish manner, totally unexpected. it's funny and sad in a matter of moments. feels much more real (in space with mupped aliens) than most other shows. it really isn't a stupid muppeds in space gag show like casual viewers might see it. but you really have to watch it with your brain turned 'on' and in the right order and from the start else it would be just a funny space muppeds show with weired people talking weired stuff.

and now I'll stop it's still a Firefly board here. even if I love both shows equally.

Idefix

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Monday, September 15, 2003 5:17 AM

LUCRETIA

Don't forget about Babylon 5. It was canceled after season 4, but made the move to Sci Fi for season 5. Too bad though that season 5 wasn't nearly as good as the others (ok, I'll even say it was bad). It always seemed to me that everything planned for season 5 was squeezed into 4 and 5 was left without a purpose.

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Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:41 AM

NUMFAR

I actually read a summary of what the fifth season of Babylon 5 was going to be like had they not been forced to tie up the civil war in season four (and if Claudia Christian hadn't left). Basically season four would have ended with The Face of the Enemy and the last few episodes of season four would have played out during the early parts of season five.

Apart from that Ivanova would have been the one who ended up with Byron instead of Lyta and they would have used Sheridan's use of the shadow telepaths in the civil war as the catalyst for the colony's rebellion rather than the knowledge that the Vorlons created all telepaths.

Additionally Day of the Dead would have been pushed back to after the telepath arc and would have focused more on the resolution to Ivanova's story where she partakes in the ritual hoping to be reunited with Byron but is visited by Marcus instead and is forced to come to terms with her grief for him.

Apart from that the season is not that much different to the one we got, yes it gets to the point a little quicker and contains no stand alone episodes because of the absence of the remnants of the civil war arc but almost all of what happened in season five was always meant to happen.

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Wednesday, September 17, 2003 8:59 AM

LUCRETIA

I think I would have preferred Ivanava more. Her leaving so quickly left things feeling undone. Her character always had more to come out and I think that's one of the things I was waiting on.

Not that I didn't like Lyta, I did. Byron on the other hand.. while his character was all right, didn't really do it for me. I liked the idea of what was happening with the telepaths, just not how it played out.

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Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:58 AM

SEANMACROS

Quote:
Originally posted by Numfar:
I actually read a summary of what the fifth season of Babylon 5 was going to be like had they not been forced to tie up the civil war in season four (and if Claudia Christian hadn't left). Basically season four would have ended with The Face of the Enemy and the last few episodes of season four would have played out during the early parts of season five.

Apart from that Ivanova would have been the one who ended up with Byron instead of Lyta and they would have used Sheridan's use of the shadow telepaths in the civil war as the catalyst for the colony's rebellion rather than the knowledge that the Vorlons created all telepaths.

Additionally Day of the Dead would have been pushed back to after the telepath arc and would have focused more on the resolution to Ivanova's story where she partakes in the ritual hoping to be reunited with Byron but is visited by Marcus instead and is forced to come to terms with her grief for him.

Apart from that the season is not that much different to the one we got, yes it gets to the point a little quicker and contains no stand alone episodes because of the absence of the remnants of the civil war arc but almost all of what happened in season five was always meant to happen.

That's intersting because recently JMS posted the original treatment for Crusade and Marcus was supposed to be a part of it. It seems like if Claudia hadn't left that Marcus might not have been written off as well. I would have loved to see conversations between Marcus and Galen. That would be utterly fascinating to watch.

Sean Fister

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Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:13 AM

NICOLA

RE: Farscape

The first season is actually quite good, especially towards the end. If you can get past the few 'weaker' episodes near the beginning it really takes off.

'Premiere' is a must see episode just to get a grasp on the backstory of the characters. The next must see is 'Pk Tech Girl' and from then on it is pretty much a roller coaster ride to the end of the season.

Mind you, I am not knocking the episodes between 'Premiere' and 'Pk Tech Girl' there is a LOT of character development that goes on, and some really funny stuff. Good dialogue too. But the writers/actors/directors suddenly seem to snap into focus after PK Tech Girl.

Farscape does not talk down to their audience and tends to move really fast. A lot like a couple of other shows I could mention... Firefly, Buffy, Angel....

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