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Friday, March 19, 2004 7:16 PM
ARAWAEN
Friday, March 19, 2004 8:09 PM
TMURRIE
Friday, March 19, 2004 10:00 PM
NOOCYTE
Saturday, March 20, 2004 7:53 AM
DORAN
Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:32 AM
SHEPHERDSCOTT
Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:36 AM
MISGUIDED BY VOICES
Quote:Originally posted by ShepherdScott: "Starship Troopers" was a terrible, terrible movie...specifically because the propaganda clips were so spot-on, the rest of the movie was unbearable (like watching a TV show just so you can wait for the commercials).
Saturday, March 20, 2004 1:46 PM
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Sunday, March 21, 2004 1:09 AM
ANKHAGOGO
Quote:Originally posted by ShepherdScott: "It just never rang true to me that here is this horribly evil ring that has corrupted the most heroic of people during its weak phase, now continuing to grow in evil influence, and yet Faramir just shrugs it off as if it was nothing."
Quote: Faramir did not merely "shrug off" the ring because the ring was suddenly weak or he was suddenly strong--but because the Honor of the Numenoreans burned stronger in him than the corruption of power. Boromir, by contrast, had shunned the old ways and the burden of history, and when the ultimate challenge came his lack of wisdom left him vulnerable.
Quote:(Though I will also add that the Osgiliath detour adds a serious plot problem to the film trilogy: if the Nazgul see Frodo and the One Ring in Osgiliath and nearly take it, why don't they tell Sauron so the Dark Lord isn't afraid that it is with Pippin and the Men of the West?
Sunday, March 21, 2004 1:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by ShepherdScott: About "Return of the King", I do think there is middle ground between the two extremes presented here. The film *is* very good and worth seeing, filled with lots of little nods that will warm the hearts of true fans of the book. It is a fair, good-faith adaptation to the screen, because it just isn't possible to present a literal translation. On the other hand, I think ROTK is the weakest of the three films...its changes are the most problematic for Tolkien's storyline and themes, weakening the plot. To wit, in the movie what is the point of Rohan's sacrifice at Pelennor Fields? The army of the dead shows up and instantly destroys the entire enemy force, so Theoden and every rider who perished died simply for bad luck and bad timing.
Sunday, March 21, 2004 3:23 AM
KALIMEERI
Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:20 AM
ECMORGAN69
Sunday, March 21, 2004 9:25 AM
WILDHEAVENFARM
Sunday, March 21, 2004 9:59 AM
Sunday, March 21, 2004 10:09 AM
MAUGWAI
Sunday, March 21, 2004 10:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Doran: You boycotted "Return of the King"?! I challenge you or anyone to make that movie exactly the way it is in the book and not lose all the audience except the die hards and purists. I like the books very well when I read them but I have to admit they don't lend themselves well to a stand alone trilolgy of movies. I think the screen writers did their best and I enjoyed the "Retun of the King".
Sunday, March 21, 2004 11:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by ShepherdScott: However, I think I preferred Tolkien's emphasis--that the tension emerges from Faramir's closeness to Gandalf, whom Denethor fears may seek to surplant him--rather than Jackson's--that Denethor thinks Faramir is useless compared to his older brother.
Quote:Fair enough. I think we're quibbling more over semantics than meaning. The "blood of Numenor" in Faramir was only a source of strength because he had the knowledge and wisdom to recognize its virtues and accept its burdens. Denethor possessed the "blood of Numenor" and only knowledge without true wisdom, which made him dangerous. The "blood of Numenor" in Boromir gave him strength and courage but he lacked both the knowledge and wisdom that warded his younger brother against corruption of power. Remember, Boromir nearly succumbed to the Ring not because he was weak or evil or greedy, but because he was strong and believed the lie that he could somehow use the Ring for good.
Quote:RE: Eomer and Denethor... I, too, was surprised by Eomer's relative absence in the film. (For that matter, I was dumbfounded by how poorly the film used Eowyn, not evening giving the illusion of Dernhelm for a moment). And I also thought Denethor's death was mishandled. However, I think the expanded DVD will address both of these matters. Surely they will include Eomer mourning Theoden (a clip shown in the trailer but not in the theatrical cut). I'm also willing to bet they will include a scene about Denethor's palantir, which will make his fall seem more reasonable and ominous.
Quote:RE: Tolkien's writing... Well, there's not much to be said here. If you don't like his writing, you don't like his writing.
Sunday, March 21, 2004 11:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kalimeeri: am a Tolkien purist ... yet not. To me it has always seemed that Tolkien had spent so much time in his world, he had trouble letting go, and the ending just ... dribbled off. Have some experience with that myself. From a purely story-driven viewpoint (IMHO--don't kill me) the ending was unsatisfactory.
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