Badger and apples by bobnsam

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Badger and apples

POSTED BY: BOBNSAM
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 16:15
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Sunday, May 9, 2004 11:23 PM

Anyone who fought in the war cut their apples with a knife before eating.

Zoe explains the reason, due to the small charges that were planted in the apples during the war. Better to lose your hands than have your head blown off !

But Badger..... it was only after watching a few times that I noticed (sorry I can't remember the episode) that he also eats apples by slicing with a knife ........

Does anyone know anything about Badger's past?

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Monday, May 10, 2004 1:01 AM

FARWALL

Well given the way Badger treats Mal and the crew in Serenity I wouldn't be surprised if some of his past business ascociates have tried to bump him off a few times.
Really though this was before the whole 'grenades in the apples' bit would have been written and probably conceived of, I think it's more likely he eats it like that just to show that he's uncouth.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 1:03 AM

JEBBYPAL

Joss mentions in the commentaries that Badger peels his apples w/ the peeler to demonstrate how much better he is than the ordinary person. Eating his apples by slicing them w/ a knife may just be his way of additionally separating himself from the plebians.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 2:31 AM

PURPLEBELLY

Badger is probably wary of apples because, if the episode 'Serenity' is to be believed, he is supplied with apples that can re-peel themselves

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Monday, May 10, 2004 4:30 AM

RKLENSETH

Did anyone notice that both in 'Serenity' and then in 'Shindig' Badger always at one point has a green apple. I wonder if the green apple symbolizes something about Badger.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 5:01 AM

GUNHAND

Quote:
Originally posted by rklenseth:
Did anyone notice that both in 'Serenity' and then in 'Shindig' Badger always at one point has a green apple. I wonder if the green apple symbolizes something about Badger.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.]

Two possible theories for the green apple:

1) Green with envy, after all he's the sad little king of a sad little hill, a petty criminal with delusions of standing. Sure, he can afford fresh produce, and he can afford to not have to eat the peels but he surely doesn't have a buffet table to investigate all the time.

or

2) Crab apples are green, maybe Badger's just a cranky guy down deep inside.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 5:09 AM

ANNIK

Quote:
Originally posted by rklenseth:
Did anyone notice that both in 'Serenity' and then in 'Shindig' Badger always at one point has a green apple. I wonder if the green apple symbolizes something about Badger.

Gorramit ... I can't remember the name of it! ... but remember that famous piece of artwork in the remake of 'The Thomas Crown Affair' ... the painting of a man with a bowler hat ... wasn't his face replaced by a green apple. That's how I recall, anyhow. Coincidence?

Cheers,
Annik
... my sister's a ship. We had a complicated childhood.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 5:13 AM

GUNHAND

Now that's just spooky that you remember that. Now that you mention it though, you're right!

Don't remember the name of the painting though. But now it's gonna bug me.

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"Oh hey, I got an idea. Instead of us hanging
around playing art critic till I get pinched by
the Man, how's about we move away from this
eerie-ass piece of work and get on with our
increasingly eerie-ass day, how's that?"

My eerie-ass website:
http://gunhandsfirefly.homestead.com/Index.html

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Monday, May 10, 2004 5:39 AM

FLOATER68

Back in the day, Mark Sheppard (the actor who played Badger) used to post regularly to the official board. Here's what he had to say about the apple.
(I hope this link works)
http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/messages?msg=4515.56

F68

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Monday, May 10, 2004 5:49 AM

ANNIK

Quote:
Originally posted by Gunhand:
Now that's just spooky that you remember that. Now that you mention it though, you're right!

Don't remember the name of the painting though. But now it's gonna bug me.

I just found a copy of it here (scroll down):
http://french.chass.utoronto.ca/fcs195/surrealism.html

The artist is Magritte and the painting is called "La Grande Guerre" (The Great War).

Who says watching fiction can't be edifying to the masses, eh?

Cheers,
Annik
... my sister's a ship. We had a complicated childhood.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 7:25 AM

ZOID

Floater68:

I read the quote from Mark 'Badger' Sheppard on the link you provided.

Ron Glass was on "All in the Family"? We used to watch that all the time, and I don't recall Ron being on the show. But imdb.com have this listing: "All in the Family" (1971) playing "Jack" in episode: "Everybody Tells the Truth" (episode # 3.21) 3 March 1973. This would indicate a single appearance, wherein (maybe?) he eats an apple? A bit too obscure a reference for me; how would one go about seeing that one particular episode from 31 years ago?

Respectfully,

zoid
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Monday, May 10, 2004 7:28 AM

DELIA

Quote:
Originally posted by rklenseth:
Did anyone notice that both in 'Serenity' and then in 'Shindig' Badger always at one point has a green apple. I wonder if the green apple symbolizes something about Badger.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

Probably too simple, but maybe they're green because that's the kind Mark Shepard likes.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 2:11 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

Badger's apple peeler is pretty unique too. I think it's the kind the Shaker's used to make. He klnda of makes a show of nonchalantly peeling the apple, definetly showing off.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 3:02 PM

FLOATER68

I'm sure Mr. Sheppard was being silly when he made the reference to Ron's role in "All in the Family" but here's a full description of the episode. The apple does have a key role. TV Land shows AITF late at night so you might be able to catch this ep sometime.

All in the Family: Everybody Tells the Truth (1973)

The Bunkers and Stivics are out dining again, this time because the refrigerator is broken. Archie and Mike can't remain amicable for long, and before long, they're quibbling about the visit from the repairman and his helper (Ron Glass), who is black. Both the Arch-ster and the Meathead have vastly different versions of the visit, with the focus of each story centering on a knife. Archie insists the helper (in his version, a foolish minstrel not unlike the old vaudeville shows) threatened him with a knife, while Mike says there was no knife at all. Both men tell stories that has the other side being the moody villian. Turns out only Edith can tell the truth: There indeed was a knife ... a pocket knife used to cut an apple for a snack.

F68

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Monday, May 10, 2004 3:06 PM

GUNHAND

You know, now with the plot synopsis there (thanks!) I think I actually vaugely remember that episode.

From reruns of course, my memory isn't all that great from 1973 seeing as how I was, well, one.

But yeah it definately rings a bell, the whole back and forth story of "what really happened".

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
"Oh hey, I got an idea. Instead of us hanging
around playing art critic till I get pinched by
the Man, how's about we move away from this
eerie-ass piece of work and get on with our
increasingly eerie-ass day, how's that?"

My eerie-ass website:
http://gunhandsfirefly.homestead.com/Index.html

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:22 AM

MALICIOUS

Quote:
Originally posted by Veteran:
Badger's apple peeler is pretty unique too. I think it's the kind the Shaker's used to make. He klnda of makes a show of nonchalantly peeling the apple, definetly showing off.

I have one. They aren't that unique. "The Pampered Chef" company sells them for like 20 bux or so. Apples not included. Cheap bastids.

Mal-licious

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:03 PM

SERENITYVALLEY

Here's a rather appropriate treat
http://www.simple-assault.com/art3_badger.JPG

http://www.simple-assault.com/Firefly.htm

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 4:15 PM

ZOID

Floater68:

Dude/ette! 'Ta' very much! I did see that episode. It was hilarious. Very eye-opening as well; talk about racial profiling...

Where'd you get the synopsis? Did you write it, or get it online? It's very 'spot-on'.

Respectfully,

zoid
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"Even back when, River had that indefinable 'it', y'know? Inquisitive, insightful -- Very focused... Some things never change."

- 'Wash' Warren, Chief Architect and co-proprietor, "Cretaceous Park", Hera; from A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence Wilkins, Richard

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