Does anyone feel this way? by Shuggie

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Does anyone feel this way?

POSTED BY: SHUGGIE
UPDATED: Friday, September 6, 2002 06:55
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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 1:11 PM

It's got so I can't wait for the show to start just so's we'll have something else to discuss apart from how long before it's cancelled!

Shug

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Wednesday, September 4, 2002 3:38 PM

NOVAGRASS

All of this stuff about cancellation is just absurd. We can't make any decisions until it's aired... though it's so easy to be swayed by negativity, especially this close to the premier. (By the way, I think FOX has their "money promo" with the newest one. Sure, it doesn't illustrate the series, but it will bring viewers... and it doesn't have a Smash Mouth song, by some miraculous occurance.)

Anyway... yes! Massive excitement! Only 16 days! Yay!

--Dylan Palmer, aka NoVaGrAsS--

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Thursday, September 5, 2002 2:29 AM

GUANTES

Absolutly! I know that I won't get to see it premier on TV but I still can't wait to hear what every lucky soul that does has to say about it.....

Phil
15 days and counting....

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Thursday, September 5, 2002 11:19 AM

ZICSOFT

I'm sort of worried that the network will screw it up. But I remain basically optimistic. One overwealming reason:

TV viewership is way down. Why? Because everything's the same. This show is different. End of story.

Of course, what's different about Firefly is that it exercises a bunch of SF ideas that all previous space operas have basically ignored. The big risk (aside from network screwups) is that only a few geeks will want to watch a show based on those ideas.

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Thursday, September 5, 2002 4:52 PM

MILLERNATE

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TV viewership is way down. Why? Because everything's the same. This show is different. End of story.

I'd believe you except for one thing: Almost all the shows that were different last season were cancelled due to extraordinarily low ratings. Look at 24, despite the fact that it was an original idea and all the critics loved it the show still received very low ratings (and will likely be cancelled after this season is finished unless it dramatically improves). Heck for all the attention paid to "ground breaking cable" the shows on those channels are watched by a *very* small percentage of viewers (Didn't the Anna Nicole Smith show's record breaking cable rating basically amount to a very small 4.5 rating or so?).

There was an article awhile ago (I could post it tomorrow if you'd like, the computer I'm on now would not react well to me searching) questioning whether people really want anything new and challenging (written by a critic in response to ABC's president saying that they "programmed too much for the critics and the average viewer didn't have the patience or time for anything complex", this is a paraphrase).

Of course I"m an elitist, pompus

so what do I know? I really hope that Firefly, Boomtown, and Cedric the Entertainer PResents (hey comedy variety shows are something different today, even if the idea isn't new) end up hits. I'm not confident that they will be but that won't stop me from contributing my voice to keep them on the air if they live up to their potential.

Nathan-who believes we had a brief golden age of creative programming from 1986-2000. But much like Hollywood after 1980, TV after 2000 has become gradually worse for genuinely artistic creators.

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Thursday, September 5, 2002 5:17 PM

MOJOECA

That's absolutely right. For every inventive show that captured mainstream support (like XF), there's 10 that tanked.

--- Joe

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Thursday, September 5, 2002 5:19 PM

MOJOECA

OTOH, there's lots of standard fare that fails as well. I think that the networks need to cut down on costs and expectations. If the advertisers let them.

--- Joe

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Friday, September 6, 2002 3:25 AM

ZICSOFT

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Look at 24, despite the fact that it was an original idea and all the critics loved it the show still received very low ratings

The critics loved the concept. As did I at first. Then after a few eps, I realized that it was just La Femme Nikita with better production values and name actors. And yes, one clever concept.

Maybe if I watched more TV I would have seen it, but last season just didn't seem to have have anything new or original.

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Friday, September 6, 2002 4:01 AM

MILLERNATE

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The critics loved the concept. As did I at first. Then after a few eps, I realized that it was just La Femme Nikita with better production values and name actors. And yes, one clever concept.

See, now while I didn't love 24 or anything I do find that comparison a little insulting (why is it that I'm the one that's negative about current shows while you are the one who's talking down to great shows of the recent past? We have to get our complaining in line as no board can have 2 people like this

). I'd also like to mention an old Larry Niven Ringworld quote "The majority is sane". The majority of thinking people loved 24, thus that is what is inscribed in history, regardless of what you or I think of it

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Even if you didn't like 24 what about the numerous other intelligent shows that Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Jonathon Storm mentioned that failed outright such as: The Tick (which I saw and it was great),
Undeclared, Pasadena, The Job or The Education of Max Bickford? Do their failures count for anything. Couple that with the sucess of drek like Crossing Jordan and The Guardian and what do you make of the TV watching audience? I still haven't found that column I'm looking for but I'll send it when I do.

Nathan
"It looks like a great adventure...That's what it is; that's what it feels like. When I saw the pilot, it was really engaging. It was exciting. It was unusual. It threw me off every now and then. I think people will be grabbed by it." - Ron Glass, on the pilot, during an interview with the Indianapolis Star

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Friday, September 6, 2002 6:55 AM

ZICSOFT

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See, now while I didn't love 24 or anything I do find that comparison a little insulting...

Why is that comparison insulting? I don't think it'd be insulting to Joel Surnow, who co-created both shows.

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