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Non Sentient Aliens in Firefly

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 4:55 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Well many of us know where Joss stands when it comes to aliens, just in case you didn't hear I've read he really thinks that we might be the only sentient lifeforms in the Galaxy therefore you don't see any vulcans or roswell aliens in the show.

But do any of you think there still could be aliens in firefly, maybe a type of very primitive or non-sentient lifeforms. Something maybe simple and silicon based, or let's look at the blood thirsty reavers were they exposed to cells of an alien virus or foreign bacteria on these other worlds that messed them up ?

Are there possible aliens in firefly ?


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Sunday, August 1, 2004 5:10 PM

STANDING8


Quote:

Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Well many of us know where Joss stands when it comes to aliens, just in case you didn't hear I've read he really thinks that we might be the only sentient lifeforms in the Galaxy therefore you don't see any vulcans or roswell aliens in the show.

But do any of you think there still could be aliens in firefly, maybe a type of very primitive or non-sentient lifeforms. Something maybe simple and silicon based, or let's look at the blood thirsty reavers were they exposed to cells of an alien virus or foreign bacteria on these other worlds that messed them up ?

Are there possible aliens in firefly ?




god i hope not. im with joss on this. no aliens.

cause then it become like farscape or babylon 5 or star trek and I DONT WANT THAT. just keep what makes firefly/serenity different than all the rest.

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 5:15 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER


I think, if Firefly continued as a series, we may have eventually seen some kind of alien life form that was native to one of the planets in the system... but I think it would have been sometime small, like plants at most, maybe something like moss or fungus. Certainly no animals, and I'd doubt it'd have anything to do with Reavers (unless Joss wanted to go all the way and do real aliens and his whole 'we're the only intelligent life in the solar system' bit was a smokescreen), but it might have been the sort of thing that was an aspect of a job (Say, there's a moss that doesn't grow anymore after terraforming, but occasionally caches are discovered in caves and it's very valuable). Or maybe combine it with the overarching River arc and discover that an alien plant heightens psychic ability and the whole reason for the program River was in was to see how to exploit it into a useful form.. maybe, for example, usage killed people with amygdalas. ;)

Anyway, just random speculation, but in general, yeah, I don't think we'd see any alien life more complex than plants.

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 5:23 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Quote:

Originally posted by standing8:
Quote:

Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Well many of us know where Joss stands when it comes to aliens, just in case you didn't hear I've read he really thinks that we might be the only sentient lifeforms in the Galaxy therefore you don't see any vulcans or roswell aliens in the show.

But do any of you think there still could be aliens in firefly, maybe a type of very primitive or non-sentient lifeforms. Something maybe simple and silicon based, or let's look at the blood thirsty reavers were they exposed to cells of an alien virus or foreign bacteria on these other worlds that messed them up ?

Are there possible aliens in firefly ?




god i hope not. im with joss on this. no aliens.

cause then it become like farscape or babylon 5 or star trek and I DONT WANT THAT. just keep what makes firefly/serenity different than all the rest.

-Soul Rebel-

http://www.livejournal.com/users/standing8

updated: 7/12/04!



Yeah, those dr spock and area 51 aliens would be silly
too many aliens spoil the show



However as STARPILOTGRAINGER says some type of alien plant or fungus might be good for a firefly story

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 5:28 PM

LOSTINTHEVERSE


As far as plants go, I'm not familiar with hodgeberries (as mentioned in safe). Microbes, I don't believe Boden's Maladie (the train job) is an Earth disease. I could be horribly misinformed, though. ::shrug::

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 5:28 PM

LOSTINTHEVERSE


As far as plants go, I'm not familiar with hodgeberries (as mentioned in safe). Microbes, I don't believe Boden's Maladie (the train job) is an Earth disease. I could be horribly misinformed, though. ::shrug::

~ Lost In The 'Verse

"About a year before we met, I spent 6 months on a moon where the primary form of recreation was juggling geese. My hand to god. Baby geese. Goslings. They were juggled!"

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 5:53 PM

HARDWARE


I'd think that maybe terraforming involves a step where you sterilize a planet, making it a nice, safe, blank slate that you can write on.

Hmm, this gets me to thinking, there were horses and cattle, but how about pet type animals? Anybody see any dogs (off the grill) or cats? Weren't there swans on the floating island? There must have been since someone with longing to see one carved one.

Must have been a long flight from earth-that-was. What animals would have been brought along?

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 5:54 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER


Yes, but to play devil's advocate (as I enjoy doing sometimes), Hodgeberries could easily be a genetically engineered type of berry (or just one I've never heard of) that's grown into common usage... and I don't specifically recall if Boden's Malady was attributed to a virus/bacteria, but it likewise could just be a disease caused by a chemical released in the mines that gets in the air and does nasty things to the neurological system.

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 6:23 PM

LOSTINTHEVERSE


What about the terrifying space monkeys?

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 6:23 PM

LOSTINTHEVERSE


What about the terrifying space monkeys?

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"About a year before we met, I spent 6 months on a moon where the primary form of recreation was juggling geese. My hand to god. Baby geese. Goslings. They were juggled!"

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 7:08 PM

PURPLEBELLY


Given the Western analogy, it might be appropriate if we had reference to the alien forms that had met the fate of the passenger pigeon.

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Sunday, August 1, 2004 8:31 PM

JESS


Quote:

Originally posted by standing8:
Quote:

Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Well many of us know where Joss stands when it comes to aliens, just in case you didn't hear I've read he really thinks that we might be the only sentient lifeforms in the Galaxy therefore you don't see any vulcans or roswell aliens in the show.

But do any of you think there still could be aliens in firefly, maybe a type of very primitive or non-sentient lifeforms. Something maybe simple and silicon based, or let's look at the blood thirsty reavers were they exposed to cells of an alien virus or foreign bacteria on these other worlds that messed them up ?

Are there possible aliens in firefly ?




god i hope not. im with joss on this. no aliens.

cause then it become like farscape or babylon 5 or star trek and I DONT WANT THAT. just keep what makes firefly/serenity different than all the rest.

-Soul Rebel-

http://www.livejournal.com/users/standing8

updated: 7/12/04!





I don't see that. Farscape, Star Trek, and the like real didn't have that many non sentient aliens (except for occasional menacing monsters. It would go against the style of the style of Firefly to have sentient aliens, but I think it might be a nice touch to have native life on one of the planets they visit.

Though I also think it makes sense that the terriforming process doesn't allow for non earth based life.

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Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:20 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


yep, those big green aliens with their bulging dark eyes would certainly go against the mood and style of firefly

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Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:49 PM

FORRESTWOLF


It's actually a very refreshing change to have a show where there's NO native life. The fact that all animals in Firefly were brought by humans is fascinating. Does that mean no non-domesticated predators? What about insects?

In a recent Neverwinter Nights Firefly game, a non-Firefly-fan player (soon to be a fan, I hope) asked a non-player character if there were any coyotes out in the wilds of the planet they were on...the NPC seemed puzzled - 'Coyote? What's that? Now RATS we've got...'

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Saturday, September 30, 2023 8:03 AM

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Why finding alien life in Universe is now 'only a matter of time'

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66950930

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Saturday, September 30, 2023 3:12 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by StarPilotGrainger:
I think, if Firefly continued as a series, we may have eventually seen some kind of alien life form that was native to one of the planets in the system... but I think it would have been sometime small, like plants at most, maybe something like moss or fungus. Certainly no animals, and I'd doubt it'd have anything to do with Reavers (unless Joss wanted to go all the way and do real aliens and his whole 'we're the only intelligent life in the solar system' bit was a smokescreen), but it might have been the sort of thing that was an aspect of a job (Say, there's a moss that doesn't grow anymore after terraforming, but occasionally caches are discovered in caves and it's very valuable). Or maybe combine it with the overarching River arc and discover that an alien plant heightens psychic ability and the whole reason for the program River was in was to see how to exploit it into a useful form.. maybe, for example, usage killed people with amygdalas. ;)

Anyway, just random speculation, but in general, yeah, I don't think we'd see any alien life more complex than plants.

Star Pilot Grainger
"Remember, the enemy's gate is down."
LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/newnumber6
http://www.unreachablestar.net

I don't know how native life there would have survived terraforming. That sounds unlikely.

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Monday, October 2, 2023 4:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I always said that Joss didn't rip off other works that came before him, but he was obviously extremely heavily influenced by them when he made Firefly. The Great Explosion and The Legacy of Heorot being my two main examples, and even The Deathworld Trilogy to a lesser extent.


The Great Explosion (How it all began... and then how the Government eventually started going around to all the colonies to take the land they conquered from the colonists after all the hard work had already been done)

Quote:

The Blieder drive, a faster-than-light drive system, has permitted the population of Earth to colonize the galaxy. Each planet has become home for a particular social group. Four hundred years after the diaspora (the "Great Explosion" of the title), a spaceship from Earth visits three of the planets, the first steps to unifying the galaxy under a new Empire. The ship contains two thousand Terrans including many pompous officials, an army of bureaucrats, a military force and the ship's crew, including some misfits. Things do not go entirely as hoped, as the incompetent military authoritarians of the ship encounter three very different societies.



Legacy of Heorot (In between the events of part one and part of The Great Explosion... Around the same time that Firefly happened):

Quote:

Two hundred colonists arrive on Avalon, having made the 100-year journey from Earth in suspended animation on the starship Geographic. The colonists, selected for their outstanding physical and mental acuity, make a terrible discovery: the suspended animation has damaged their intellect and reasoning skills. Some are only mildly afflicted, while others have serious intellectual disabilities; eight cannot be reanimated at all.

The colonists build a settlement on an isolated island, and begin growing crops and stocking the nearby waters with terrestrial species to complement the samlon, a local aquatic species. The colonists become overconfident in their security, to the frustration of expedition security officer (and former soldier) Cadmann Weyland. When unsettling events begin to happen – missing animals, fences torn down – the colonists' impaired minds prevent them from properly analyzing the situation. Weyland is suspected of sabotage to further his agenda of building up defenses. He is drugged and restrained, when a monster attacks the settlement, killing ten colonists.




The Deathworld Trilogy (A much more action-packed setting than any of the Firefly planets, likely in the distant future from the Firefly timeline):

Quote:

A legendary science fiction story, this trilogy, brought back into print in one single volume, presents hero Jason dinAlt as he discovers three separate planets. dinAlt finds excitement and intrigue as he investigates Pyrrus, a strange place where all the beasts, plants, and natural elements are out to destroy man; the unknown second planet, where every man has to kill other men or live as a slave; and Felicity, where creatures are bred for thousands of years for a single deadly purpose.


Having read all of these books years before I ever saw Firefly, I always felt that all 4 of them were in the same universe, with Firefly, Legacy of Heorot and Deathworld only being possible because of the events of Part 1 of The Great Explosion.

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Friday, October 6, 2023 8:00 PM

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Elon Musk isn't convinced there are aliens out there: 'We're the aliens'

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-whether-he-thinks-alien
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