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POSTED BY: ANOTHERFIREFLYFAN
UPDATED: Sunday, September 21, 2003 01:12
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Friday, September 12, 2003 4:31 PM

I agree that there shouldnt be any need for this OB vs FFF.net separation. And it seems like the only way to find out if this place can handle the volume requested is to just try it out and see.

I also want to point out that there are multiple boards (in addition to this one) that have been up and running, but deserted for many moons now. I rounded a few of them up and put them all in a thread titled:

Other Firefly homes

Also, I know this might be taken the wrong way, but flooding and spamming the main Fox board is no way to handle things. Remember how a few bad apples in the Dark Angel bunch pissed us all off by spamming and trolling our board and that basically gave a bad name for many other DA fans who had nothing to do with that? Well flooding the main Fox board is the same thing. Its one thing to go over there because you are really interested in that board, but its another to go over there and "take over". And remember, its not the end of the world, other board setups might be scary but they can be learned...you just have to be able to adapt.

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Friday, September 12, 2003 4:31 PM

BLUEHOOT

ignore this one, accidentally hit the button twice.

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Friday, September 12, 2003 4:36 PM

TZEGHA

Is it really so bad to move legitimate threads over to the Fox Forum after having been locked out of our own with no warning?

With the exception of one thread, I have seen no spam or troll threads. I have seen no slam threads or nasty attacks. Really, is it so bad that we prefer to use a board that is exactly like ours (minus the garish colors)? And we are all already logged onto? The Fox Forum has always been the back up board for when the OB went wonky. We all know where it is, we are all logged in with the same user names, we all still have access to email capabilites for contacting each other. So until we find better, or they give us back our forum, is it really so awful?

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Friday, September 12, 2003 4:47 PM

BLUEHOOT

I saw multiple threads that stated an intent to take over or begging to bring back the OB or about how the Fox Execs cancelled the OB (which most of us know that the execs dont read boards anyway). Just because there are no nasty attacks does not mean that its not considered flooding.

And there is another prospero board that has been up for a long time, it uses your same logins. Its been dilligently run by a fan despite almost being deserted. I have provided a link in that other thread I spoke of when I was trying to be productive and point the way to some other options.

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Friday, September 12, 2003 4:47 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.

Quote:
Originally posted by KibaRika:
I wonder if (I don't write original code, just modify others' programs, so I don't know) Haken could arrange some sort of skin set up, with two different types of navigation, that people could set in their preferences?

Yeah. Really depends on what the setup is. I did the same when people wanted a linear thread setup similar to The Bronze.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/linearthread.asp

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Friday, September 12, 2003 4:50 PM

LIVINGIMPAIRED

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
Tzegha, no worries. Let's embrace our differences. I think you OB guys should come up with your new name, and all of FFF should now be called "The Sons and Daughters of Haken."

The only reason I never went to the official board is because I couldn't find my way around for the life of me. Haken's site was so easy to navigate, in my opinion. I also really like the people who come here... I think the Fox boards are hard to navigate, and I am surprised to see how many people find the opposite to be true. I guess we all learn something new every day!

I'm the same way. I couldn't stand the official board navigation. I don't know why the Official Board refugees are so nervous about comming here. Aren't we all Browncoats? It's not as if we're going to bite... hard.

________________

Half of this crap is written in some archaic proto-demon-cuneiform, and I don't want to be rude, but I think the other half they just doodled.

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Friday, September 12, 2003 4:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA

You will be assimilated, resistance is futile... hahahaha

Really tho, welcome new folks, and may Faux burn in the special hell for yet another spit in the face of FF fans..

We'll have our day, and Faux is gonna rue that day like no other - given their conduct towards the show from the start, and the rumors of delayed DVDs, this latest act of FF sabotage should not surprise us at all, really.

I am pleasantly surprised they haven't tried to sue Haken, and if they do I hope he kicks their butts.

You rock Haken, keep it cookin.

-frem
diefuxdie

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Friday, September 12, 2003 6:49 PM

KIBARIKA

Haken, maybe what would be best is if there could be a view where the top x number of thread titles in each section could be listed on one side of the page, and then the threads themselves read on the other. That would approximate the Fox board rather nicely, I think.

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Friday, September 12, 2003 9:16 PM

DRAUGLUIN

Haken...I, personally, will live with whatever you in your GREAT wisdom deems to be best.

I was a member here before i was a member in that other place...and i LOVE your site

A rock is like space because it doesn't move.

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Friday, September 12, 2003 9:44 PM

MAKEROFPATHS

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:

As far as resources go, I believe I still have enough left to handle more members and the increased traffic they bring.

Wow. There were a lot of posts on Fawks Firefly Board. It would be amazing if your bandwidth could handle that much more traffic. Not to mention your servers!

The thing I always liked about the Old Board was that everytime I signed on and pulled up a frequently perused thread, I would get the first unread message at the point I'd left the last session. (This may be browser dependent.)
I also liked the Preview function, plus Edit.

Otherwise, both boards have equally fine upstanding folk and I would be happy to have them all on one flight.

Name suggestion? Independent Firefly Board.

I personally don't like anything that calls us "Original" (for reasons Haken pointed out) or "Refugees" or "Cast-offs". Let's be positive.

Damn! Being kicked off that board is really depressing. Hope everyone can come together here.

And -- many, many thanks to Haken for offering his hardware and software and personal time to make us a comfy home.

be seein' you

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Friday, September 12, 2003 9:59 PM

STEVEP99999

Really?

Ummm ,I can't get onto that other site with the same login :/

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Friday, September 12, 2003 10:02 PM

STEVEP99999

Quote:
Originally posted by KibaRika:
Haken, maybe what would be best is if there could be a view where the top x number of thread titles in each section could be listed on one side of the page, and then the threads themselves read on the other. That would approximate the Fox board rather nicely, I think.

The biggest problem I have with this Forum is the constant scrolling left to right ,right to left thang ,other than that its learnable.

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:34 AM

TRAGICSTORY

LOOK AT ALL THE PENT UP ANGER AND RAGE AT FUX NETWORK!!!

And right before Unification Day! I think a massive protest on all of fux's forums would substitute an alliance friendly bar this year.

Of course I shall still be going to the bar

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"Societies are supported by human activity, therefore they are constantly threatened by the human facts of self-intrest and stupidity." --Peter Berger

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 4:56 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.

Quote:
Originally posted by SteveP99999:
The biggest problem I have with this Forum is the constant scrolling left to right ,right to left thang ,other than that its learnable.

scrolling left to right, right to left? You mean the entire page as in the page itself doesn't fully fit on your screen because you have a 640x480 screen?

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 5:06 AM

SERGEANTX

Only time I've ever had to scroll left to right is when someone posts a link to a picture that's wider than the layout allows. Everything seems to have a nice liquid layout from what I see. The only scrolling to be done is down the page to the bottom to the latest posts, and while that may seem like an inconvenience, I actually prefer having all the posts for a given thread on one page and seeing them listed in the order they were posted.

I welcome all the new members, but would ask that you give it a week or two, try out the different interface and then make suggestions. Its really just a different style, one you might prefer if you give it a chance.

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 5:20 AM

KEVINIANBEAUMONT

Hola

Don't Universal own the rights to Firefly, now? The Hollywood Reporter article said that.

If that's the case, I wouldn't be suprisied if Fox remove all Firefly stuff as soon as they can, as I'd presume they no longer hold the copyright. It also casts doubts on the DVD release at the moment, I'd presume.

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 5:49 AM

SERGEANTX

All you have to do to get your old forum back is drop the fox!

Seriously, the addy for the old forume is

http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly

to get to a new 'fox-free' forum just take out the objectionable three letter word.

http://forums.prospero.com/firefly

Simple as that!

Edit: One thing that has been brought to my attention - The new prospero board reviews posts before they show up, an annoying delay for most people. I'm writing the moderator to see if this can be changed.

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:00 AM

LJB064

I have to scroll horizontally to get the whole message width on my screen, too, and I'm set at 1024x768.

Is there a magic properties item that I've neglected to set?

Keep Flyin'

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:02 AM

SERGEANTX

Are you talking about the taglog, or the messages in a thread, like this one? You might try lower the text size from the view menu of your browser, assuming your using IE.

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:07 AM

STEVEP99999

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:
Quote:
Originally posted by SteveP99999:
The biggest problem I have with this Forum is the constant scrolling left to right ,right to left thang ,other than that its learnable.

scrolling left to right, right to left? You mean the entire page as in the page itself doesn't fully fit on your screen because you have a 640x480 screen?

Yup I think

,is there a way I can fix that on my end since ive noticed that others don't have that problem?

Steve <---Technically challenged

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:15 AM

STEVEP99999

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
All you have to do to get your old forum back is drop the fox!

Seriously, the addy for the old forume is

http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly

to get to a new 'fox-free' forum just take out the objectionable three letter word.

http://forums.prospero.com/firefly

Edit: One thing that has been brought to my attention - The new prospero board reviews posts before they show up, an annoying delay for most people. I'm writing the moderator to see if this can be changed.

I hope so cause im sure shes prolly overwhelmed 'reveiwing' all those qeuries about why the posts ain't showing up.

ruttin site sux bigtime like that and is totally unusable in that fashion.

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:02 AM

STEVEP99999

Well that was all kinds of simple ,im all kinds of stupid lately

Thanx Seargeant

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:03 AM

FIREFLYPASSENGER

Steve!!!! *hugs*

Good to see you here. Haken is a great guy, very smart and easy going. He really rocks.

Ask and he will see what he can do.

Haken Rocks!!!

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:59 AM

STEVEP99999

Thanx FIREFLYPASSENGER :)

*HUGS*

I actually registered here a long time ago and just kept getting headaches from the left/right scrolling and only came here for the fanfics afterwards ,which I copy/pasted to wordpad to read ,Ifin I knew it was that simple to fix I would have been posting here 7 months ago ,im all kinds of stupid methinks

Can I start getting sexed already?

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 11:12 AM

SERENITYVALLEY

I've been reading this thread silently for a while now, not sure what to think about this whole complication. Let me take a minute to sort through some things.

Quote:
How about creating a new section called Serenity Valley? It's thematically approprate, I think. Exodusters works well too.

Erm...uh...

Quote:
Haken, I think it's just different to them, is all. As I state above, I had a hard time navigating on the O.B. I found your site to be so easy and well designed.

Here here. I have absolutely always liked this set up. Wouldn't want things to start getting confusing now.

Quote:
The biggest problem I have with this Forum is the constant scrolling left to right ,right to left thang ,other than that its learnable.

Yeah, I've never had to scroll left or right. I don't think it's the set up for the site. It's probably for individual computers.

If coexisting is possible, then fantastic.

http://www.simple-assault.com/Firefly.htm

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:03 PM

STEVEP99999

Quote:

Quote:
Haken, I think it's just different to them, is all. As I state above, I had a hard time navigating on the O.B. I found your site to be so easy and well designed.

Here here. I have absolutely always liked this set up. Wouldn't want things to start getting confusing now.

Quote:
The biggest problem I have with this Forum is the constant scrolling left to right ,right to left thang ,other than that its learnable.

Yeah, I've never had to scroll left or right. I don't think it's the set up for the site. It's probably for individual computers.

If coexisting is possible, then fantastic.

http://www.simple-assault.com/Firefly.htm

Hiya Serenitvalley ,nice to meetcha

Im pretty sure OB Browncoats would fit in pretty nicely personality-wise ,I think their major concerns stems from the amount of posting they do which would change the dynamics of this board as it has the FOX main forums board , 1,000 to 1,500 posts a day or more here would be awfully hard for them and those who already live here to go through in this format methinks although I could be wrong.

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:20 PM

LOTV

All hail Captain Haken!!!

Honestly, that really blows for all you refugees. For those willing to hang it out here, and join our crew, welcome, and don't worry:

The initiation doesn't leave too many scars.

LOTV: Ima-who-whata-whoichy-whoda-whazza--huh?

Garapagosu Last Update: 6/24/03

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 3:17 PM

LIVINGIMPAIRED

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:
Quote:
Originally posted by SteveP99999:
The biggest problem I have with this Forum is the constant scrolling left to right ,right to left thang ,other than that its learnable.

scrolling left to right, right to left? You mean the entire page as in the page itself doesn't fully fit on your screen because you have a 640x480 screen?

This has NEVER been a problem with me. In fact, this is the most user friendly posting board I've ever been on. I would prefer as few drastic changes as necessary. While I welcome any new posters to this site, where ever they are from, I find it rather insulting that a number of posters from the Official Site seem to expect Haken to change this site to be more like the old one. What about those of us that were here from the get-go?

I don't mean to be grouchy. And maybe this is the being-sick talking. But I happen to love this site the way it is.

Screw official sites! Fan sites rock!

________________

GILES: As I suspected, ice-cream is the universal language.
CHAO-AHN: (subtitled) Like many from Asia, I am lactose-intolerant. I'm very uncomfortable.

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 3:22 PM

LIVINGIMPAIRED

Quote:
Originally posted by SerenityValley:
I've been reading this thread silently for a while now, not sure what to think about this whole complication. Let me take a minute to sort through some things.

Quote:
How about creating a new section called Serenity Valley? It's thematically approprate, I think. Exodusters works well too.

Erm...uh...

What are you whinning about? I wasn't thinking about you when I originally made that post, but for you, it'd be cool. You'd have your own section named after you.

Emoticons are so cheesy.

________________

We're starting a book club?

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 3:41 PM

LIADENCHICK

I need a hug!
*whimper*
What a nasty shock! Was so at home on the FOX forum I actually panicked for a second or two, before remembering how resourceful Browncoats can be.
Registered here, I feel better now.

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 4:24 PM

MAGUINAN

Since there was some talk of site redesign, what is the general opinion on maybe increasing the number of top threads? Maybe just to 12 or 15, or maybe as high as 20. Any opinions?
Haken?

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"If you're stupid and easily offended, join the Care Bears fandom." -kayt/mag

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 4:25 PM

WILDMAN45690

"Why do we need segregation? Can't we all just talk in the same board? I would like to meet the "official board fans" and I just know they would like to meet me."

I agree wholeheartedly.

No reason to segregate ourselves. Besides I figured that most Browncoats were like myself - members of both the "official" board and this one. I think everyone is just frustrated by the sudden demise of our board.

I have to agree that it is extremely annoying.

BTW, it's nice to meet you!

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 4:36 PM

LJB064

Changing my text size setting did the trick.

Thanks Sarge!

Keep Flyin'

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 5:03 PM

STEVEP99999

Quote:
Originally posted by liadenchick:
I need a hug!
*whimper*
What a nasty shock! Was so at home on the FOX forum I actually panicked for a second or two, before remembering how resourceful Browncoats can be.
Registered here, I feel better now.

Hi Laiden.

*HUGS*

Its nice to see you.

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 5:09 PM

STEVEP99999

Quote:
Originally posted by LivingImpaired:
Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:
Quote:
Originally posted by SteveP99999:
The biggest problem I have with this Forum is the constant scrolling left to right ,right to left thang ,other than that its learnable.

scrolling left to right, right to left? You mean the entire page as in the page itself doesn't fully fit on your screen because you have a 640x480 screen?

This has NEVER been a problem with me. In fact, this is the most user friendly posting board I've ever been on. I would prefer as few drastic changes as necessary. While I welcome any new posters to this site, where ever they are from, I find it rather insulting that a number of posters from the Official Site seem to expect Haken to change this site to be more like the old one. What about those of us that were here from the get-go?

I don't mean to be grouchy. And maybe this is the being-sick talking. But I happen to love this site the way it is.

Screw official sites! Fan sites rock!

________________

GILES: As I suspected, ice-cream is the universal language.
CHAO-AHN: (subtitled) Like many from Asia, I am lactose-intolerant. I'm very uncomfortable.

Hi LivingImpaired ,nice to meet you ,I fixed that problem and it was on my side ie what Sargeant X said which you probably didn't see until after you posted.

I agree with you ,there shouldn't be any major changes here that would throw you guys off ,I don't know what Hakem plans but whatever it is hes mighty shiny and im sure he will do an excellent job of it.

Steve

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 7:39 PM

ICU

Oh thank you I found you all!!! I was panicked there for a few minutes!! Especially when I wanted to share my happy news! I recruited a new browncoat! She loves the show and has been coming over frequently to see the episodes - of course in the correct order!! I have another on the line but the hook hasn't quite caught yet... working on it

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Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:16 PM

STEVEP99999

Hi ICUNurse

Most of us are at...

http://forums.prospero.com/foxshows/messages

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Sunday, September 14, 2003 4:01 AM

LIADENCHICK

Thankee kindly. Disorientation dissipating...strength returning...Ahhh.
Well, this site seems pretty cool. Guess I'll cruise it for a few days before jumping back in.

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Sunday, September 14, 2003 4:01 AM

LIADENCHICK

Thankee kindly. Disorientation dissipating...strength returning...Ahhh.
Well, this site seems pretty cool. Guess I'll cruise it for a few days before jumping back in.

Edited to apologize for double-post.

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Sunday, September 14, 2003 4:46 AM

SERGEANTX

Looks like the problems have been worked out at Allison's board. Same address as the OB, but without the annoying three letter word.

http://forums.prospero.com/firefly/messages

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

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Monday, September 15, 2003 6:31 AM

LJC

As somebody who's active in both forums, thought I'd throw in my .02...

I've been a poster at both the Fox Board and this one for the past 9 months or so, and I think that while the feel (in terms of both layout and tone of the discussions) of both boards can be vastly different, the point has been made that we are, in the end, all Browncoats. That's the important thing to remember.

However, I believe that, despite Sarah's initial negative reaction to semantics (I've actually always called the OB the Fox Board, but the simple fact is, it *was* the official forum. Doesn't make it BETTER, it just made it official.) Tzegha and the other Fox Board regulars genuinely meant to NOT ruffle the feathers of the regulars at this board.

Rather, I think the main concern was duplicating long-running threads such as the Serenity Saloon (aka "The 'Loon), the "Last" and the various cast threads, etc. over here, and that concern was out of respect for the board's current members who never hung out at the Fox Board and might feel "invaded," as well as bandwidth/disk space concerns for Haken. Because no one wants to see a fan site suddenly under stress, when it's being maintained out of pocket, purely as a gift to fellow fans (whereas the Fox board was a paid for thing, so there was never much of an effort to curb our posting habits).

It's also a matter of different social groups--with different patterns of behaviour--all within the same fandom. Being a media fan (and a convention-going media fan, at that) for the last 15 years, I'm much more used to fans of the same show hanging out at ALL the message boards rather than just one, hence my posting here, at TWoP, on the UK SciFi board, on LJ, and on the Fox Board as well as multiple mailing lists. Because I wanna talk about my fave show with as many people as humanly possible, because that is the behaviour I learned when I first started participating in fandom. That was what was common, and in fact, is fairly common longtime among fans online. Likewise, I'm used to fans being fannish about a number of things, often simultaneously.

However, on-line, it's become more and more common for someone to discover fandom with one series and one forum, and that's their entire exposure to fandom. They are only fannish about this one series, and it's their first time practising fannish behaviour (such as writing/reading fan fiction, participating on a board or in chats, joining mailing lists, etc.) and they usually hang out in the first/best place they find, and that's their "home." And they can be very protective (and very territorial) of what they see as their fandom--i.e. that ONE place they go to be fannish about the show they love--despite the fact that it is might not (and quite often, is not) be representative of the entire fandom. i know tons of folks who only hang out at the Fox board. That's where they first met fellow fans, that's their "home" and they're feeling very at sea right now because their home has been taken away from them. Ditto this site having a core group of folks for whom this site IS their entire world, and where would we go if anything ever happened to Fireflyfans.net? Same deal exactly.

However, either forum is simply one group of the many that make up all of "Firefly" fandom.

So, socially, it's like we're in the cocktail party stage right now. A meet-and-greet. Sussing each other out, figuring out where the rules and social conventions differ, and what behaviour is considered the "norm" and adjusting accordingly. And it has its moments of awkwardness, and silences, and ruffled feathers. The goal, however, is probably not to have it end in a sword fight. Rather, to eat as many strawberries as we can from the buffet table, and admire the floating chandelier all together.

For the moment, the Fox Board folks seem to have settled in to the main Fox forum, although Adam Baldwin had said in the past that if/when the Fox board closed, he would be coming over here. Adam seems quite addicted to the political threads in the off-topic forum at Fox, so I supposed we wait and see where the Big Guy pops up...

So I had always pretty much figured Where Adam and Nathan go, so goes my nation.

Either way, I'm still gonna post fic here, and get involved in the discussions here as well as TWoP, the Fox boards, whatever board gets put up once the movie website goes up, etc,. I'm ubiquitous :)

--
Some take the high road. Some take the low road.
And some just go screaming down the highway, dropping flaming bits of wreckage.

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Monday, September 15, 2003 9:55 AM

MSBUFFY

*sigh* what to do! where to post.

I'm here until the majority of my peeps from the OB find a new perm home. I do hope that I can post here from time to time. I don't always say the smartest things, but then again it's tough trying to make posting to a Firefly posting board look like work. heh.

anyway, it's nice to be here....hope y'all have room for one more refugee.

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Monday, September 15, 2003 2:37 PM

GRACE7610

Yup, I know what you mean.....cast out into the black....Thank goodness for so many shiney folks like these offering us shelter.
Thank you to everyone of the regulars here :)

Nice set up by the way....my first visit here.

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Monday, September 15, 2003 6:00 PM

HIPPYDOG

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Rather, I think the main concern was duplicating long-running threads such as the Serenity Saloon (aka "The 'Loon), the "Last" and the various cast threads, etc. over here

I email Haken, and he explained his board would not work like the OB, as ALL the messages show up everytime (a 20000 Last thread would take forever to load!) :)
After thinking about duplicating (exactly) the 'loon and the 'last threads would be kind of silly..
The 'loon was started as the FOX forum did not have a chat feature, (FFF.net has the tag-it AND an actual chat feature!!!)
It might not hurt to change the name of the "Chat" to "Serenity Saloon"?

"The last" thread I started for three reasons.
1.) to bring up the amount of posts of the OB (we wanted to beat john doe and then we wanted to beat fastlane and then we just wanted to show FOX we were 'active' fans..
2.) I was checking the board so much for news every hour the thread gave me something to do

3.) (because of dark angels board) we knew FOX and prospero were gonna give us the boot one day, (so someone would actually end up last, and we could see who it was!)

As I dont know how long Haken would be willing to keep this board going (hopefully for a long time) having a last thread here might be a little weird.
hey! maybe "Tag-it" could be changed to "gonna be last" LOL

Pretty much, I cant understand why anyone would want to go to another fan site?!
Haken has everything we need right here!

Not saying I wouldnt love to have the OB back, but I think its time we browncoats start deciding on a permanent second home (umm, did that make sense LOL)

Just my 2 Cents.

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Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:07 AM

LORA

I've been on independent ops for a while, and it seems to me that we have experienced a loss in one theatre of operations. The casualties may never be fully counted, and some will carry scars, but all the survivors are welcome here at our base. We may not be the Bogs and Bayonnets Brigade, but we are Browncoats. No good can come of fighting among ourselves. Fill in our ranks, and be led by Haken, or go and look for familiar faces elsewhere, but don't give up. Keep recruiting new Privates (Succatash, that's a rank, stay with me here, man!) and always believe that "We will rise again!" Amazon.com is one place where we can go and snipe away at the enemy.

Blue Sun T-shirts and brown coats are the uniform of the day.

Now, I need a quiet drink...

"Is there any way I'm gonna get out of this with honor and dignity?" Zoe, War Stories

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Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:12 AM

SOONERDAX

Well, here I am ;)

*waves*

I was a member here before I found the Official boards. Haven't done a lot of posting here, but I lurk quite a bit.

Anyway, just checking in

Wheee!

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