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So, everyone is disappointed in Alan now, eh?

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Saturday, February 12, 2011 9:22 AM

WHOZIT


I can forgive him, he hasn't been acting like Chuck Sheen or LiLo. Disappointed, a little, forgiven, yes.

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Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:49 PM

GREENKA61


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
I can forgive him, he hasn't been acting like Chuck Sheen or LiLo. Disappointed, a little, forgiven, yes.



I second your opinion, Whozit.

It was a stupid thing to do, but I expect he'll have the grace enough to take his court appointed lumps and get on with it.

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Saturday, February 12, 2011 4:19 PM

CHRISISALL


He's a leaf on the wind.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, February 13, 2011 9:56 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Just exercise your right to the Ancient Groveling Response:



Note that many BAC machines are "adjusted" to NEVER read below 0.03%...

Federal Court Upholds DUI Jailing of Sober Man

The Eleventh Circuit US Court of Appeals on Tuesday saw no problem with jailing a man for eight hours after he blew .03 on a breathalyzer -- far below the legal limit. Santa Rosa County, Florida sheriff's deputies had arrested Roger A. Festa on the charge of driving under the influence of alcohol (DUI) on April 9, 2005. Since he had been entirely sober, Festa sued Deputy Adam Teichner and Deputy Douglas Burgett for unlawful arrest.

On the day in question, Burgett had received a 911 call describing a vehicle similar to Festa's swerving. Burgett noticed Festa's car and claimed he saw it make a sudden lane change in order to avoid a car that had made an unexpected turn. He also noted that Festa, while not speeding, was varying his velocity. Burgett initiated the stop.

Festa explained to the deputy that he and his wife were in an unfamiliar area looking for a place to eat. He admitted that he had a single drink earlier in the afternoon. Burgett claimed he smelled a "mild odor" of alcohol. Deputy Teichner performed the roadside sobriety tests and brought Festa to the station for a breath test that registered .03.

"Unfortunately, I couldn't just let you go," Burgett told Festa in a court deposition. "You were under arrest for DUI."

Festa, who could add to his arrest statistics for the month, then explained how plea bargains would take care of the inconvenience done to Festa.

"Basically, once you were arrested for DUI, I made a determination from the conversations that we had between there and the jail that I was going to have this pled down to a reckless driving and then the reckless driving to a [nolle prosequi] so you would suffer no monetary damages or a record," Burgett said.

Instead of cutting a deal, Festa pleaded not guilty to both charges. The state eventually dropped the DUI charge and a judge tossed the reckless driving charge nearly a year later. The three-judge federal appeals panel found that the deputies were entitled to immunity for their actions while on duty because they had done nothing unconstitutional.

"No decision from the United States Supreme Court, this court, nor the Florida Supreme Court has clearly established that continued detention after an arrestee registers a breath-alcohol level of 0.05 or less is unconstitutional," the per curiam decision stated. "Indeed, neither the United States Supreme Court, this court, nor the Florida Supreme Court has established within what time frame nor under what circumstances an officer has an affirmative duty to release an arrestee. We therefore cannot conclude that Deputies Teichner and Burgett had fair warning that their continued detention of Festa was unconstitutional."

Festa died on May 9, 2010 while waiting for the case to be resolved. Festa was a successful businessman who earned a silver and bronze star during his service in Vietnam as an Army Ranger. A copy of the unpublished decision is available in a 70k PDF file at the source link below.

Fed Court Opinion
http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2011/us-sober.pdf

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D.C. Attorney General Drops Drunk Driving Cases

Wash. DC. Feb. 8 — The District’s attorney general has dropped dozens of drunken driving cases since Jan. 31 and hundreds of others could be dropped as the police department shuts down its troubled alcohol breath-test program. Problems dating back more than three years with the city’s breath analyzers were first revealed in February 2010, when it was discovered the machines’ results were inaccurate. Since then, the D.C. medical examiner’s office has refused to sign off on the accuracy tests of new analysis machines, officials said.

"The alcohol breath-analysis program? It doesn’t exist anymore," said Ilmar Paegle, who discovered problems with the Intoxilyzer 5000s soon after he took over the city’s breath-analysis program on Feb. 1, 2010. Paegle’s contract ended last week. As he left, he said, the police department pulled off the street the Intoximeter, which replaced the Intoxilyzer last spring. "It’s a royal mess," Paegle said.

A spokeswoman for D.C. Attorney General Irvin Nathan said he couldn’t be pulled from a meeting to comment Tuesday. Nathan dropped eight more drunken driving cases Tuesday.

City policy requires the medical examiner’s office to certify the program, and it has not done so, citing concerns raised by the problems with the previous models, Paegle said. Although officers had been using the Intoximeters, the results were not being included as evidence, according to Paegle and internal police e-mails obtained by The Washington Examiner.

The medical examiner’s office declined to comment, citing pending litigation. Dozens of defendants have sued the city after being convicted on potentially faulty breath-test results.

Assistant police Chief Patrick Burke said officers are now taking urine samples to test blood alcohol levels for potential future prosecutions.

Meanwhile, the two police officers who account for a third of the city’s 1,400 annual drunken driving arrests have had their trial testimony called into question. They are the subjects of an internal affairs investigation that began after they spoke out about problems with the breath analyzers.

Officers Jose Rodriguez and Andrew Zabavsky learned that the medical examiner hadn’t signed off on the program and began mentioning that in their trial testimony last spring, according to an e-mail from Zabavsky to police Chief Cathy Lanier. Later in the spring, the attorney general’s office began an investigation into the officers, saying a woman they arrested for driving under the influence in June 2009 had complained the two watched her take a urine test.

In December, the case was turned over to internal affairs.

"On a day-by-day basis, cases are being dismissed because the officers involved are being investigated," said defense lawyer Bryan Brown.

The result, police union chief Kris Baumann said, is "our ability to enforce DUI laws in the District has been crippled".

http://www.duiblog.com/2011/02/09/attorney-general-finds-widespread-br
eathalyzer-inaccuracies-police-shut-down-all-machines
/


Washington, D.C., prosecutors' recent systematic dismissal of numerous drunk driving prosecutions -- on top of D.C. prosecutors' continuing striking of breath testing scores obtained from Metropolitan Police breathalyzer machines, for a year now -- shouts loud-and-clear how broken is D.C.'s DWI prosecution system, and underlines how severely fallible is any DWI prosecution in any state that relies on the junk science of field sobriety testing and the highly-flawed approach of using breath testing rather than blood testing to quantify blood alcohol content in one's body.
http://katzjustice.com/underdog/archives/2273-Recent-DWI-dismissals-fu
rther-expose-a-broken-D.C.-DWI-enforcement-system..html



Funny how many Browncoats volunteer as judge jury and executioner of Alan Tudyk. Who do think you are, Tim Minear?

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Illuminati Vowed in 1969: "Travel Will Be More Difficult"

br kosher Dr Henry Makow PhD

Like sheep, humanity had better adjust to constant harassment as long as it tolerates Illuminati control of all important government and social institutions.

At the height of the holiday season, millions of travelers to the US were delayed and inconvenienced because of one suspicious incident Friday.

In 1969, Rockefeller Insider Dr. Richard Day, medical director of Planned Parenthood [that genocided more than 100-million US citizens] predicted the future in these terms:

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Travel would become very restricted. People would need permission to travel and they would need a good reason to travel. If you didn't have a good reason for your travel you would not be allowed to travel, and everyone would need ID. later on some sort of device would be developed to be implanted under the skin that would be coded specifically to identify the individual.

And he predicted, or rather expounded on, changes that were planned for the remainder of this century. Drug use would be increased. Alcohol use would be increased. Law enforcement efforts against drugs would be increased.

On first hearing that, it sounded like a contradiction. Why increase drug abuse and simultaneously increase law enforcement against drug abuse? But the idea is that, in part, the increased availability of drugs would provide a sort of law of the jungle whereby the weak and the unfit would be selected out.

There was a statement made at the time: 'Before the earth was overpopulated, there was a law of the jungle where only the fittest survived.' You had to be able to protect yourself against the elements and wild animals and disease. And if you were fit, you survived. But now we've become so civilized – we're over civilized – and the unfit are enabled to survive, only at the expense of those who are more fit. And the abusive drugs then, would restore, in a certain sense, the law of the jungle, and selection of the fittest for survival.

News about drug abuse and law enforcement efforts would tend to keep drugs in the public consciousness. And would also tend to reduce this unwarranted American complacency that the world is a safe place, and a nice place.

The same thing would happen with alcohol. Alcohol abuse would be both promoted and demoted at the same time. The vulnerable and the weak would respond to the promotions and, therefore, use and abuse more alcohol. Drunk driving would become more of a problem; and stricter rules about driving under the influence would be established so that more and more people would lose their privilege to drive.

This also had connection with something we'll get to later about overall restrictions on travel. Not everybody should be free to travel the way they do now in the United States. People don't have a need to travel that way. It's a privilege! It was a kind of a high-handed way it was put.

Again, much more in the way of psychological services would be made available to help those who got hooked on drugs and alcohol. The idea being, that in order to promote this – drug and alcohol abuse to screen out some of the unfit people who are otherwise pretty good – would also be subject to getting hooked. And if they were really worth their salt they would have enough sense to seek psychological counseling and to benefit from it. So this was presented as sort of a redeeming value on the part of the planners. It was as if he were saying, 'you think we're bad in promoting these evil things — but look how nice we are – we're also providing a way out!' More jails would be needed. Hospitals could serve as jails. Some new hospital construction would be designed so as to make them adaptable to jail-like use.

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http://files.100777.com/New%20Order%20of%20Barbarians.mp3



In the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the author writes that their goal is: "To wear everyone out by dissensions, animosities, feuds, famine, inoculation of diseases, want, until the Gentiles sees no other way of escape except by appeal to our money and our power." (Protocol 10)

"We will so wear out and exhaust the Gentiles by all this that they will be compelled to offer us an international authority, which by its position will enable us to absorb without disturbance all the governmental forces of the world and thus form a super-government." (Protocol 5)

http://www.henrymakow.com/illuminati_vowed_in_1969_trave.html


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Monday, February 14, 2011 3:37 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


PirateNews got me to thinking. That can't be good.

Try to imagine what Alan Tudyk saw before he drove into a speed trap. He has been driving miles at 40 mph. Suddenly the speed limit drops to 25 mph just before the first stop sign he's seen since Santa Cruz. The village of Soquel has been waiting for Alan, unfamiliar with the area, to approach that stop sign going faster than 25.

The street views are from Google Map -- http://bit.ly/fbWbtX Click to get a map. The location is according to www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_17247676 - and - www.kionrightnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=13935489

Coming from Santa Cruz, going East on Soquel Drive, Alan Tudyk would pass a traffic light at the intersection of Soguel Dr and 41st Ave. In the middle of the next block the speed limit changes from 40 to 25 mph.

Past the speed limit sign, the road surface is painted “Stop Ahead.” The stop sign is at Robertson St, near where Tudyk was arrested for going 40 in a 25 mph zone, according to www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_17247676

Where was that police car? It wasn't hiding behind the wall on one side of Soguel Dr and not behind the earth bank on the other. The police cruiser was following Tudyk's expensive Landcruiser. Because Tudyk is watching his rear-view mirror, he doesn't tap his brakes before reaching the 25 mph sign. And then the patrol car lights start flashing.

Alternatively, the police are waiting at the stop sign for anyone to approach faster than 25 mph. Alan spends the night in the drunk tank. The town sign says Welcome Big City Slickers to Soquel ( pronounced 'Soak Hell'. I'm not joking! www.capitolamuseum.org/SoqHistTale.html )

Last traffic light on Soquel Drive.


Speed limit sign, which Alan Tudyk didn't see because he is looking in the rear-view mirror at the Patrol Car following.


Alan Tudyk is arrested just after passing this stop sign and entering the village of Soquel.


You are now in Soquel, Mr Tudyk, in a very expensive Landcruiser, which will be towed away at great expense by Buddy, the Mayor's nephew. Please empty your wallet of all valuables.


Nowadays Soquel is a town in trouble with declining population. Robbing rich strangers is the time honored way that small town America works hard to solve its tax problems.

Soquel's Population by Year
1900 - 2,987 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soquel,_California
1970 - 5,795
1980 - 6,212
1990 - 9,188 - Peak Population
2000 - 5,081
2007 - 4,967 - www.city-data.com/city/Soquel-California.html

Soquel is struggling to comeback from population decline and needs revenue from traffic fines and “court costs.” I know that the safety of little children going to school at midnight Sunday was not as paramount as the money.

Am I too cynical? I think not - this is California, where everyday is a perpetual government budget crisis. To see how much money this will cost Alan Tudyk, see Penalties & Punishments for DUI - www.kandblaw.com/penalty_chart.html

It is too bad that Buddy, the nephew of the Mayor of Soquel, could not have also made money by towing away the Landcruiser, but to Buddy's misfortune, Alan Tudyk had a passenger who drives.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, February 14, 2011 7:10 AM

BYTEMITE


The speed limit sign in question would be in violation of federal law. You have to step down speed limits within a reasonable distance, and have to provide reasonable notice of the speed limit change.

Because there's no evidence because Alan didn't take the breath test, the case could probably be thrown out. None of us know how drunk he was or not. There's reasonable doubt, can't convict.

I'm starting to side with the "Alan did nothing wrong" argument here. The only thing I couldn't understand is why he was going so fast in what sounded like a residential zone (which otherwise would have suggested he was dangerously drunk), and this explains it completely.

Nice analysis, two.

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Monday, February 14, 2011 7:44 AM

STORYMARK


So, Chris.... how does it feel to be teamed up with the local loony tune, against everyone else?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, February 14, 2011 7:49 AM

BYTEMITE


I'm the loony tune?

Okay. I guess I can't really DENY it or anything...

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Monday, February 14, 2011 7:52 AM

PENNAUSAMIKE


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
So, Chris.... how does it feel to be teamed up with the local loony tune, against everyone else?



Who?
pennausamike? two? bytemite?

Ohhh, I bet you mean PN.

Not everyone who thinks DUI in this country can be poorly administered to corruptly mismanaged is a looney tune.

I stand by my posts.
Mike

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Monday, February 14, 2011 8:00 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
The speed limit sign in question would be in violation of federal law. You have to step down speed limits within a reasonable distance, and have to provide reasonable notice of the speed limit change.

Because there's no evidence because Alan didn't take the breath test, the case could probably be thrown out. None of us know how drunk he was or not. There's reasonable doubt, can't convict.

I'm starting to side with the "Alan did nothing wrong" argument here. The only thing I couldn't understand is why he was going so fast in what sounded like a residential zone (which otherwise would have suggested he was dangerously drunk), and this explains it completely.

Nice analysis, two.


Wait what? Speeding -> refused breathalyzer (shady) -> failed field sobriety test -> innocent!

How'd you work through that logic?

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Monday, February 14, 2011 8:33 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by pennausamike:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
So, Chris.... how does it feel to be teamed up with the local loony tune, against everyone else?



Who?
pennausamike? two? bytemite?

Ohhh, I bet you mean PN.

Not everyone who thinks DUI in this country can be poorly administered to corruptly mismanaged is a looney tune.

I stand by my posts.
Mike

I see myself more on the same side as Alan Tudyk's attorney than on PirateNews's side. A defense lawyer will use innuendo, dark conspiracy theories, and shady “expert” witnesses to convince the jury. If it is necessary to say rude things about the government of the village of Soquel, so be it. A dirty win is still a win for Alan Tudyk. That's why a good DUI lawyer is paid so well to defend the guilty -- it is to compensate for burning in Hell forever. Or bad karma in the next life.

Less controversially: The role of a defense lawyer is to vest lies with respect and depict them as reasonable statements to be subjectively considered by the jury along with the truth. In other words, the most creative storytelling allowed by the judge.

This is a national disgrace: we cannot allow an alcohol gap to persist.

My question to the resident constitutional scholars is this: Would it be legal for U.S.Congress to mandate a minimum level of alcohol consumption for every American, in order to remedy our shame? - www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2011/02/19374

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, February 14, 2011 8:42 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Wait what? Speeding -> refused breathalyzer (shady) -> failed field sobriety test -> innocent!

How'd you work through that logic?



The initial logic is to whether or not there's a court case.

We'll never know exactly what happened that night because we weren't there.

I find it unlikely that they would be able to convict Alan on the circumstantial evidence.

Now, I did make a leap in logic to say that I think he might only be convictable-guilty of speeding, but under such a scenario where the charge is against the spirit of the law.

I think it's entirely possible he would be vindicated in court, and under the current system, and owing to our inability to know all the details, a non-conviction is the best determination of innocence or non-innocence we have. Of course, that system isn't foolproof, Alan might very well have been DUI, but I'm not sure with the facts we have that we'll ever know.

Therefore, I'm starting to fall on the side of reasonable doubt and Alan may not have done anything wrong.

Under my most basic definition he'd already fulfilled that, in that he hadn't harmed or killed anyone, but this is under the legal perspective.

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