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You Ever HAD a Show KILLER Moment?

POSTED BY: RIVER6213
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Saturday, November 26, 2005 7:05 AM

RIVER6213


You ever had a show killer moment? What I mean by this is, have you ever been watching a show, and you were enjoying it, and then all of a sudden, the writers intoduce something into the show that basically murders it for you?

My Show Killer moment happened when I was watching Enterprise. Enterprise wasnt the best show on Earth, but it was interesting and I was starting to really enjoy it until the writers in their collective wisdom decided that it would be a good idea to have an episode of Enterprise where they meet the Borg.

The BORG???

That killed the show for me, and I stopped watching it, and wasnt too surprised when later I found out that Enterprise got cancelled.







Look mommy! There's a little plane up there in the sky...

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 7:24 AM

REGINAROADIE


I believe this is referred to as "Jumping the Shark". It's a phrase that got it's origin from HAPPY DAY, when the Fonz jumped over a shark filled tank while wearing waterskis. The "Jump the Shark" moment is a moment over the course where after that, it's all downhill from there.

But as for KILLER moments, I have two that stick out in my mind.

1. ALIAS- The intro of Lauren in Season 3. At first, I thought they were going to turn her into The Evil Fiance, which to me is the lowest of all cliches. For those who don't know, The Evil Fiance is when in a movie or tv show when there are two characters in love, one obstacle they have to go through is one of the two's evil fiance/boyfriend/girlfriend. It doesn't matter if they are hurt or insulted by this romance, since they are either jerks who never cared in the first place or conveniently die or go away so that the two can finally be together. Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I can say that I felt that at first. But after a while, it seemed like they were avoiding that cliche. They made her a real person. But then, when after Syd's two year absence has been revealed, they decide to turn Lauren into an evil bitch after all. And at that moment, when they had the dramatic reveal that she was the sniper on the roof, I said to myself, "OK. That's it. They've run out of ideas.

2. THE SMPSONS- I can't believe there are people out there who still consider this show to be the funniest thing on tv. This show died with the episode "Saddlesore Galactica" on Feb 6th, 2000. It's the ep where Bart gets the punk racehorse and Homer goes to Jockey-Land. When I saw that, I realized that they're grasping at straws and pulling stuff out of their ass. For something as ingenious as THE SIMPSONS to devolve to something that low, it's just screaming for it to be over, as opposed to going on forever.

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"YES!!!I'm a man posessed by many demons....Polite demons that would open the door for a lady carrying too many parcels...BUT DEMONS NONETHELESS!!!! Yes. I have walked along the path of evil many times, it's a twisting, curving path that..actually leads to a charming plot garden, BUT BEYOND THAT EVIL!!!"

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 7:26 AM

JUTIN


That 70's Show... first episode of this season.

I was gonna deal with Eric and Kelso moving, but that Josh Meyers guy and the stripper can't act or deliver a comedic line to save their life.

I can't believe they killed off Bret Harrison's character to introduce these two fools.

PS- It was hysterical when they killed off that character, but the replacements suck.

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 7:35 AM

ANA


My show-killer moment? The first episode of The X-Files Season 9, when Mulder leaves Scully and his son "to keep everyone safe". HELLO?! I realize the writers had to come up with some way to explain David Duchovny's absence, but there were several alternatives that wouldn't involve such an incredibly lame-ass excuse.

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:46 AM

XEROGRAVITY


Being a devotee of everything Trek, I didn't find issue with the Borg ep. In fact, it was one of the few rare times Berman and Braga were able to tie the Trek cannon into their mishandling of the Enterprise storyline.

Finish watching the series, and then come to the final season 4 ep. Keep in mind, Manny Coto and crew made all the eps of season 4 which were some of the best in the whole cannon. But, alas, we come to the final ep of season 4, written by the dynastic duo. You'll hate the idiot twins as I do when you see how the 4-season long relationship between Trip and T'Pol ends (and they had the nerve to call it a "Valentine" to the fanbase they hated). Felt more like vengeance. Hell... even Jolene Blalock (T'pol) had the nerve to come out and be critical of it. Criticism such as hers is usually rewarded with a 1-way trip to the hollywood blacklist.

Never EVER EVER bite the hand that feeds you. Never!

XG


No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:37 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Generally, any NBC show that's hyped as "a very special..." episode. At that point, I know it's over.

"Medium" doing product placement for that stupid Geisha movie - and doing a LOT of placement of it! The horrible 3-D episode last week just confirmed it: that show's done, at least for me.

Mike

Grrrrr. Arrrgghh.

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Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:02 AM

MER


Quote:

Originally posted by JuTin:
That 70's Show... first episode of this season.

I was gonna deal with Eric and Kelso moving, but that Josh Meyers guy and the stripper can't act or deliver a comedic line to save their life.

I can't believe they killed off Bret Harrison's character to introduce these two fools.

PS- It was hysterical when they killed off that character, but the replacements suck.




O_o I guess I'll have to see it to believe it qn they killed off a character? How? I'm a good amount of seasons behind. I can only manage to watcha few b/c I forget that they come on Wednesdays.

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Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:25 AM

BLINKER


Enterprise: In a shameless TNG rip-off, Hoshi is believed killed by a transporter accident, but has really only turned invisible and has to stop some aliens from blowing up the ship. In a twist that somehow makes this shambling retread even more pointless, she turns out to have dreamed the whole thing.

Simpsons: Homer is raped by a panda, after which Mr. Burns showers a Thanksgiving Day parade in fish guts for no particular reason.

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Monday, November 28, 2005 10:18 AM

ODDNESS2HER


The talking hamburger in season 3 of "Angel" made me cringe. I darn near gave up right then and there.

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:12 AM

CWNEK


Quote:

Originally posted by reginaroadie:
I believe this is referred to as "Jumping the Shark". It's a phrase that got it's origin from HAPPY DAY, when the Fonz jumped over a shark filled tank while wearing waterskis. The "Jump the Shark" moment is a moment over the course where after that, it's all downhill from there.



Check out http://www.jumptheshark.com/

Very entertaining web site. Sections devoted to just about evry show that you can think of (including FIREFLY), and many that you've never heard of. The Borg is the 5th most popular response for ENTERPRISE.

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:50 AM

PHOEBE


Yeah. I had a show killer moment with Lost. The show killer moment was called Lost.

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:13 AM

ZIGGY


When I was 15 or so I was a big fan of a show called Robin of Sherwood starring Michael Praed. I had quite a crush on Michael at the time so when they killed him off and replaced him with the actor Jason Connery it was truly the end for me.
I think I gave up on The X Files when they started obsessing with their alien conspiracy theories. I liked the Outer Limits style episodes much better.

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:54 AM

THRAWN


Quote:

Originally posted by Phoebe:
Yeah. I had a show killer moment with Lost. The show killer moment was called Lost.


I actually stuck with it until the Evil Numbers episode. That was it for me. Incredibly and unreasonably stupid.

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:59 AM

STORYMARK


Highlander was one of my all-time favorite series, but it "Jumped the shark" for me (and many others) at the end of the 5th season in the episode "Archangel", when first a demon was introduced (the show had had no supernatural elements outside of the immortals to that point), and then ended with the main character accidently killing his best friend under extremely contrived and out-of-character circumstances.

The show only lasted for one (very abbreviated) season after that. Most were stinkers, though there were a couple of decent episodes, I never really enjoyed the show as much after that episode. Many hard-core fans of the show simply do not acknowlage anything after the 5th season's penultimate episode (a practice not uncommon to Highlander fans, since the 2nd and 3rd movies are totally ignored/disowned by even the producers now).

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:50 AM

PHOEBE


Regarding Lost's Evil Numbers: The writers have stated that they don't actually know what the numbers mean themselves *rolls eyes* Even more incredibly and unreasonably stupid, huh?

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Thursday, December 1, 2005 2:03 PM

BATMARLOWE


Oddness2her:

Yeah I thought that was one attempt humor that just didn't work for me. To me it came across as stupid and not funny. And it was one of the first episodes of ANGEL I watched and it made me question if this show handled its humor as well as BUFFY. But luckily I stuck with it.

There isn't a "jump the shark" moment for me regarding ANGEL but there's something in SEASON 4 that makes me want to smack the creative team behind ANGEL at that time.

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Thursday, December 1, 2005 2:31 PM

BIX


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
My Show Killer moment happened when I was watching Enterprise. Enterprise wasnt the best show on Earth, but it was interesting and I was starting to really enjoy it until the writers in their collective wisdom decided that it would be a good idea to have an episode of Enterprise where they meet the Borg.

The BORG???

That killed the show for me, and I stopped watching it, and wasnt too surprised when later I found out that Enterprise got cancelled.



Yup Im with you on that one. I thought hang on; didn't Picard first encounter the Borg because of Q , surely if they had records of an encounter previously they would have been way more prepared!! Thats if the Borg hadn't zipped over from the Delta Quad and assimilated Humanity’s arse by then due to Archer.

And as for other series. The one thing that gets me switching straight off is when they introduce conspiracy theory. God damn I hate that. X files , 24 it all sucks. I work in the system and trust me , keeping secrets is just impossible in this day and age.


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Thursday, December 1, 2005 2:58 PM

GIANTEVILHEAD


Simpsons - episode with n sync.

Enterprise - series premier.

Voyager - series premier

"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam

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Thursday, December 1, 2005 3:13 PM

SAMEERTIA


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Highlander was one of my all-time favorite series, but it "Jumped the shark" for me (and many others) at the end of the 5th season in the episode "Archangel", when first a demon was introduced (the show had had no supernatural elements outside of the immortals to that point), and then ended with the main character accidently killing his best friend under extremely contrived and out-of-character circumstances.





RICHIE LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Certified member of Clan Denial.*
I don't feel we ever properly got to say goodbye to him.

And for that matter, I'm right there on the death of Michael Praed's Robin Hood. Jason Connery was pretty, but he was the wrong Robin. Good tear-jerk material, though, the death and all.


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Thursday, December 1, 2005 4:15 PM

GUNRUNNER


1st episode of Andromeda season 3. It was just strange, confusing and a little bit disturbing. I guess the writers wanted to try a new formula for the show called ‘crap’ and they continued it on for the rest of the show.

But I still watched it for Harper, he’s funny.

EV Nova Firefly mod Message Board:
http://s4.invisionfree.com/GunRunner/index.php?act=idx

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Thursday, December 1, 2005 4:23 PM

LAX01


Quote:

1. ALIAS- The intro of Lauren in Season 3. At first, I thought they were going to turn her into The Evil Fiance, which to me is the lowest of all cliches. For those who don't know, The Evil Fiance is when in a movie or tv show when there are two characters in love, one obstacle they have to go through is one of the two's evil fiance/boyfriend/girlfriend. It doesn't matter if they are hurt or insulted by this romance, since they are either jerks who never cared in the first place or conveniently die or go away so that the two can finally be together. Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I can say that I felt that at first. But after a while, it seemed like they were avoiding that cliche. They made her a real person. But then, when after Syd's two year absence has been revealed, they decide to turn Lauren into an evil bitch after all. And at that moment, when they had the dramatic reveal that she was the sniper on the roof, I said to myself, "OK. That's it. They've run out of ideas.




Season 3 was fine for me...I actually kind of enjoyed it...when, in Season 4, they started do mainstream-friendly episodes which didn't pretain to the story is where the show went way downhill...the story was strung together so weakly and nothing was explained from the 3rd season. Now in the 4th season, again, the introduction of an enitrely new cast (the death of a principle) and other assorted flaws have made me glad the show is ending.

During Season 3 of 24, I almost stopped watching when they wouldn't leave the Salazar plot line...so incredibly stupid...

Simpsons...all the new seasons are crap...I can't watch the new episodes anymore...its just rehased ideas...they are all out of ideas.

American Dad...pilot episode, that show sucks and is major ripoff of FG

Carnivale, when those ass holes cancelled it after the 2nd season

There's been a few times during the 4400 where I just want to stop watching...some terrible arcs and some absolutely horrendous writing...I've stuck threw it, but its still not a great show

I really find bad TV not very memorable...its hard to think of anymore examples

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Thursday, December 1, 2005 5:15 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


In Dark Angel, when Max and Logan were incapacitated in the back seat of some old car in an episode in which Max (or possibly Logan) gets some kind of 12 hour reprieve from the “virus.” That was the end of it, folks. I stood all I could stand up to that moment. If I watched any other Dark Angel episodes after that moment it was habit alone. It’s really a shame too, because I thought the first season was pure genius.

Buffy eventually killed itself as well, though not in any kind of abrupt fashion. It was a combination of many things. Willow becoming gay, for instance. (And to head off any fruitcakes that are poised to start their rehearsed song and dance, I didn’t have any problem with her being gay; it was the totally implausible reverse of character that spoiled it.) Riley Finn, Post-Initiative. But what probably killed it the most was Buffy’s erotic mental breakdown with Spike. That was the straw that broke the camel’s back. I was tolerating it up until then. The show should have ended at the end of the fifth season. Anything beyond that is just death throws.

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

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