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turning serenity from a dream

POSTED BY: TRIP22
UPDATED: Thursday, January 19, 2006 22:22
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Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:04 PM

TRIP22


i feel serenity (boat) can be made, would be hard and require a shatload of money and work but i think it is possible to build in reality, without the whole space travel it could be a nice cargo vessel through this planet that might spark companies to build or design better and bigger vessels. i would like to hear everyones opinions or ideas on the subject

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:46 PM

CARTOON


You mean life-size? Like a theme park? Where you pay a fortune to sign up to join the crew for a few days, and see CGI stuff out the windows and stuff, and get borded by Alliance troops, and chased by Reavers, and have a fancy-faced doctor and his crazy sister running about, and some big guy with a whole mess of firepower behind his curtain, and some such shininess?


Cool.


Put it in the northeast, so I could go.


Nah. I could never afford it.




"Looks like a thing to me."

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:51 PM

TRIP22


nah im talking about a ship for use and such, but that would be awsome aswell i will have to ponder over that for a while, it sounds nice. northeast america??? im in australia might not work

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:22 PM

ITSAWASH


I like what Cartoon said, great use.

Trip, you mean an ocean-going cargo vessel? Or something on wheels that looks like Serenity?

I think either one could work, but maybe wouldn't get used for cargo. More a plaything for a rich Browncoat or Browncoats.

I like your style, the way your mind works. Hope you get good comments.

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:27 PM

TRIP22


i actually ment as a aircraft. i dont know if anyone knows of an american helicopter called the v22, works like serenity but with propellers and not as big but thats what im walkin towards, i recon with the right help it can be done more oppinions would be nice

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:42 PM

BLAZESOLO


SHINY !!! If I had money I'd help out!!! Umm how 'bout an extra mechanic?

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:45 PM

TRIP22


i have a model which am making to scale with help from fan from this site but i am definately going to work on building the ship once i finish my airforce apprenticeship

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:41 PM

SAMEERTIA


Build the model and then check in with the aeronautics engineers we have around the fandom (I know of at least two) and see if it's really a possibility.

I'm not above dreaming, you know!
But there's alot of problems with design, fueling, etc, just that I can see off the top of my head.

Now the idea of a theme park Serenity I LOVE! Hmmm... Universal Studios hasn't called, have they?

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:00 PM

TRIP22


yes there aare alot of problems with the design but i hope to fix them with help from others and with ideas to help fix them from poeple in this forum. one is that the side pod engines will have to rotate to power the ship which makes another problem with the stress that will be put on the moving area of the engine ( might snap right off ) any ideas on how to fix that little problem


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birddoggin' this township a while
now, and they wouldn't mind a corpse
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a nice jail cell but if your hand
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Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:13 PM

ZIIANARKIST


EDIT: The Serenity consists of a shipping container, such as those off the back of a truck-and-trailer, and a means to fly that shipping container, essentially. More specifically:

The Serenity consists of a main shipping container (the cargo hold), a row of bunks above it, two VTOL (vertical take-off and lift) directional thrust engines capable of planetary escape velocity, a control deck (cockpit), and what would realistically be an evolved form of the VASIMR reactor for in-space maneuvers. Though the VASIMR system is however questionable, as in the television show the main reactor is shown capable of generating tremendous thrust in an atmosphere looking much like a detonating Blu-82B as it shoves off, and it would seem that the main reactor too, is capable of escape velocity where current plasma drive reactors are not and the possibility thereof is currently dismissed.

Now, the known unknowns so far are:

a. How the Serenity handles fuel – do both engine systems use the same grade/type of fuel? Where is it stored?

b. Will it ever be possible, within our meager lifetimes, to at least see prototypes of artificial gravity generators?

c. It is rather presumptuous on the part of many Browncoats to assume the Serenity is capable of ‘warp’ speeds. The main reactor indeed makes the Serenity fast, but is it multiples of ‘c fast? If you were to assume still that a rocket-principle propulsion system is capable of accelerating to near-or-multiple-c speeds, what is your viewpoint on the result of firing the main thruster in an atmosphere to escape the Reavers?

d. Would they not in 500 or so years have figured out water-based fusion reactors? How would this factor in to fuel-efficient electric generators (using fuel to generate electricity, likely from the main core, would operate on a sort-of automobile-alternator principle)?


Piloting, re-entry, fuel-driven electric-powered energy and life-support, leg-like hydraulic-shock landing gear, and in-space waste management and recycling are all currently existing and working technologies, so building the vessel isn’t out of the question, just a couple of ways the ship does things and the overall ruggedness of the ship as compared to how delicate everything in the real world is still being built that may seem out of reach.

This should turn into an interesting thread.


VTOL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTOL

VASIMR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VASIMR



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Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:32 PM

TRIP22


OK that last one was a very nice one ZiiAnarkist, i wasnt realy aiming for space travel but this forum might just sove how serenity can get out there in the real world.
1) serenitys fuel supplies will lie in what was the forward part of the engineroom(i am looking at a diagram of serenity i got from the wikifirefly site) and or below the main room (above the cargo hold), nowdays fuel for planes is stored in the wings so that might be a possibility.
2) i have no idea of what nasa are working on but i guess if man can fly then someone can make artificial grav generators.
3)warp speeds are currently out of our reach but we can get prety fast with the tech we got a grip of at the moment.
and finaly4) there is curently hydrogen based reactors made and bieng used in test vehicles in the US so it could be avaliable soon

at last the VASIMR reactors are in their final stages af testing and nasa are testing the and can currently handle 10,000-300,000 m/s impulse speeds, could be interesting to see later on.

the last things you covered were all systems serenity will need to fly. this all is getting my hopes and dreams up so in the very near future i may see serenity become reality. this forum has helped alot and look foward to the next post that is made


"You been
birddoggin' this township a while
now, and they wouldn't mind a corpse
of you. Now you could luxuriate in
a nice jail cell but if your hand
touches metal, I swear by my pretty
floral bonnet I will end you."

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:36 PM

ZIIANARKIST


Quote:

Originally posted by Trip22:
yes there aare alot of problems with the design ... one is that the side pod engines ...



The side-mounted VTOL system (this is confirmed in the Director's Commentary of Episode 00 - Serenity I believe) could present real-world problems but they would likely be solved through brute force: Build actuators and motivators and frame support with strong metals and artificial-diamond alloys that can withstand the torque of the engines and keep Crazy Ivan maneuvers to an absolute minimum. Instead of loosely bolting and welding two VTOL engines on either side, you'd build the mounting bracket into the entire frame, or at least around the cargo hold.

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:37 PM

TRIP22


thank you more help given by ZiiAnarkist notmuch to say but any more help would be great

"You been
birddoggin' this township a while
now, and they wouldn't mind a corpse
of you. Now you could luxuriate in
a nice jail cell but if your hand
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Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:16 PM

ZIIANARKIST


Check RODWY's 'HyperSpace' thread! Holy crap!

Hyperspace travel - possible test in five years?

http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=16902006

I really should know better than to get my hopes up about this stuff. It'll likely be that either:

a) nothing comes of it, there is no hyperflight
b) the speed of travel is far less than expected for some reason or another

But if there's just a chance - oh just a chance - that deep space travel will be possible within our natural lifetimes, I'll be listening.

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Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:22 PM

TRIP22


thanks ZiiAnarkist but i already looked at that and i will be cheaking in with it often to see what comes of it. if something happens with it i will be sure to include that into my design, would help alot to got spaceworthy. one thaught i had was space worthyness, what would be needed to keep it air tight and sealed like on the airlock in the cargo hold.

some help sheding light on the subject would be nice and shiny folks
this might turn out quite nice soon


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