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Lucas rips Whedon?

POSTED BY: RKLENSETH
UPDATED: Friday, February 10, 2006 03:13
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Saturday, February 4, 2006 5:53 PM

RKLENSETH


According to posts I've been reading at IMdB, George Lucas ripped on Serenity and Firefly and Whedon calling them bargain bin trash. The posters provide no link but said it was in an interview featured on www.supershadow.com.

Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone actually seen this article or interview?

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:05 PM

SMOOF


Jar-Jar Binks?

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:08 PM

SNAP


Dear Mr. Lucas, I love all your movies. I was wondering if you have ever seen the movie Serenity written and directed by Joss Whedon? Many critics compare it to the Star Wars Prequels and how much better it is. "It is the best sci-fi movie I've seen since The Empire Strikes Back." I was wondering how you felt about the movie, did you like it?

George Lucas: The best way to judge how could science fiction films are is to examine their box-office earnings. Serenity took in a weak $ 25 million dollars in North America. Revenge of the Sith crushed this figure with earnings toppling over $ 380 million dollars. Hence, Star Wars is fifteen times more popular that the hack work produced by Whedon.

All of Whedon’s TV shows can be found in the bargain basement bin for DVD’s. Buffy - The Vampire Slayer, Firefly and Angel can be bought for $ 10 bucks for the entire season run. Anti-popular is the way I describe it. All and all, Serenity is just another piece of crap in the wall. That will surely drive you insane.



umm... asshole.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:08 PM

SNAP

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:15 PM

RKLENSETH


Thanks.

Wow, that is pretty harsh especially coming from the man who wrote Episodes 1 through 3.

Is this interview actually credible? It looks made up to me. Like someone was writing it from pure fiction rather than an actual interview. I don't want to brand someone with something they didn't even said.

But if Lucas did say this well then...We'll have to do something about that.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:17 PM

SMOOF


Honestly, I USED to enjoy the first three SW. But I've really had a distaste for it since all of the marketing hype and whatnot. It's become a huge name that's slapped around (Burger King) to make millions.

After reading that, I knew I already hated Lucas, but now I hate him even more. Lucas wouldn't know good writing, character development and intelligent dialog if it slapped him in the face.

George Lucas

I will no longer be purchasing anything with your name attached to it--you're dead to me, please burn in hell, now and forever more.

Find my words harsh? What can I say? I'm a prick, espessially when someone insults something I hold dear and they compair it to the drivel that they enjoy.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:17 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Quote:

Originally posted by rklenseth:
According to posts I've been reading at IMdB, George Lucas ripped on Serenity and Firefly and Whedon calling them bargain bin trash.


If that is true are we supposed to look on that as a good thing or a bad thing?

Serenity was hailed as what the Star Wars trilogy was and Episodes I-III weren't. (Obviously this is on a level deeper than such superficial things as aliens.) And along those lines the original Trilogy, when compared to modern day movies, is bargain bin trash.

What destroyed the prequels, in my opinion, was that they tried so hard to be flashy, they lost everything, when they went for impressive effects over characters. But the characters were all that ever mattered, when you grabbed a cast of unknowns and gave them a good story it was greatness, but that was a long time ago, Lucas lost touch with that.

Give me the bargain bin trash I say, at least it's real, it doesn't have enough of a budget not to be.

-

If Lucas didn't really say it ignore this.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:18 PM

CALONRIEL


I think this particular part of the interview absolutely HAS to be a hack or crack job. In other words, it looks to me as though that particular answer may have been hacked by someone. It just doesn't match the tone of all the other answers he gave.

Especially the typos ( " . . . The best way to judge how COULD science fiction films are . . . " )?

I really don't see how there's any way that Lucas actually said these words.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:21 PM

CALONRIEL


Actually, on second thought, I think the ENTIRE interview is fake. I think it's someone's attempt at uber-sarcasm as a form of humor.

I'll take Serenity any day over Star Wars and I can't stand those three prequels, but to be fair -- there's no way that's Lucas speaking.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:27 PM

SNAP


Looks fake

check out:

http://www.petitiononline.com/5551313/petition.htm

google reveals even more

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:28 PM

JUBELEARLY


Hey Guys Im new to the site... Glad to be a part of the browncoat cause, but before we all go starting Lucas vs whedon War you all should know that Supershadow.com one giant joke. There are a couple Petitions out there trying to dismantle the site. The site is one big lie, so the odds that the "douche bag" of a webmaster actually getting an interview with lucas is slim to none. As a matter of fact their is even a site trying to expose the webmaster lol http://www.angelfire.com/crazy3/realsupershadow/


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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:28 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


The site linked to in this thread is obviously made up but it is entirely possible that the parody is based (loosely) on something he really said.

I say give him the benefit of the doubt, we have enough reason to dislike him without adding something that isn't necessarily true.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:28 PM

SMOOF


Perhaps I spoke too soon--I still stand by my comments though and still hate, as always, George Lucas.


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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:32 PM

EARLYSUMMER


I did a general search on supershadows (where the supposed George Lucas interview comes from) and found that it is accused of being a fraud. There's a website: boards.theforce.net/message where I guess star wars fans were trying to petition to stop this guy.
Not sure how to post a link, but this is the web address for the discussion board

http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=17900762

Sounds like the Lucas interview is a fake.

Nevermind, others have already beat me to it.

"I don't know what I'm saying. I never know what I'm saying"

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:46 PM

SAINTANDEOL


if you actually read it past the first seven or eight questions, it becomes painfully obvious and kinda funny. some of the questions are really funny, and "Lucas's" answers are frickin' hi-larious.

Clouds appear
and bring to men a chance to rest
from looking at the moon.
-Matsuo Basho

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:51 PM

SAINTANDEOL


i just spent five minutes reading the main page of supershadow.com, and i am in tears from laughing so hard. anyone who's ever been into Star Wars will probably find it funny too.

seriously folks, tears. streaming down my face.

Clouds appear
and bring to men a chance to rest
from looking at the moon.
-Matsuo Basho

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:56 PM

CHRISPV


Yeah, as a refugee SW fan, let me say that Supershadow is a total fraud. He claims to be Lucas's best friend and that he spends his days at Skywalker Ranch editing the films. He's a total crackpot. Every few weeks the message boards would get some poor uninformed newbie who didn't know any better spouting some trash about "Kane Skywalker" or some such and someone would explain (usually not very politely, another reason why the 'verse is so much better than the Galaxy Far, Far Away) that Supershadow's dubious credibility to him.

Honestly, anything you find on that site is complete and utter bilge.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:56 PM

GLUEMAN


Curious, I paged through Lucas's answers to fans questions and also did a google search and did'nt come up with anything.

I like starwars, but never realized how pompous and greedy he comes off in in the way he answers fan questions. He always came off to me a layed back kinda writer.

Oh well star wars fading from memory...Serenity rising!

Zoe: "Is that Jayne? Is that really him? Wash, pinch me, I must be dreaming!"

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 6:58 PM

EARLYSUMMER


Yep, I agree. This guy definately has a talent for making up stuff. He sure put a lot into that "George Lucas interview".

"Cause sick people are Hi-larious"

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 7:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


i'm even more glad than ever that I've not spent one dime on any SW dvds, tapes, shirts, etc.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 7:15 PM

SAINTANDEOL


ok, just so i'm sure, we are all agreed that he's trying to be funny, and not actually trying to fool anyone, right?


Clouds appear
and bring to men a chance to rest
from looking at the moon.
-Matsuo Basho

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 7:24 PM

EARLYSUMMER


"That's the popular theory"

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 7:40 PM

VIOLETRIX


Quote:

Is this interview actually credible? It looks made up to me.


yeah, i can't imagine lucas would actually come out and say that. maybe he would, i don't know. i don't really like star wars especially, because i've read dune, but i'd be surprised if he'd say that.

he usually comes across as relatively gracious. i mean, he has a bajillion dollars and a perceived stranglehold on the "scifi" genre.

whatever. if he did actually say that, fk 'im.

http://violetrix.blogspot.com
if i ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 7:50 PM

MISTERDRGN


It's ludicrous, and frankly somewhat disturbing, that around half the posters in this topic seem to be at least considering the possibility that this is for real. Do you think so little of George Lucas?? No matter what you may think of him personally, no one in his position would be stupid enough to badmouth another sci-fi movie like that.

Also, as several people have pointed out, the entire website is clearly a joke.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 8:01 PM

AXIOS


Three minutes of reading various questions and answers left no doubt in mind that the interview is a fake piece of go-se.

"The best thing about Star Wars is that it doesn’t look like regular science fiction. The uniforms worn by Kirk and Picard in Star Trek look horrendous. The futuristic look you talk about is not the way to go. I want Star Wars to always remain timeless and classic. The designs have to be organic and not machine like. I think you don‘t understand what Star Wars is all about. I think we should leave this all up to SuperShadow. He has his finger on the pulse of Star Wars and he always makes the right decisions."

The ridiculousness of the whole thing is hi-larious.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 8:11 PM

MATTEBLACK


I have been a big fan of Star Wars since I was a child but, Lucas' coments strike me as petty jealousy. When you look at why the early movies are better than the later ones and why we love Joss' work, it is the characters and dialogue.

Lucas has created (sometimes borrowed) a great world to tell his giant saga. Firefly is all about the characters and dialogue, something Lucas seems to have steadily forgotten how to do well as his career has gone on.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 8:13 PM

SAINTANDEOL


it's not go-se, it's gorram brilliant. I hurt my face laughing so hard. let's give SuperShadow his due, he's a funny bastard.

Clouds appear
and bring to men a chance to rest
from looking at the moon.
-Matsuo Basho

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 8:16 PM

AXIOS


Quote:

Originally posted by SaintAndeol:
it's not go-se, it's gorram brilliant. I hurt my face laughing so hard. let's give SuperShadow his due, he's a funny bastard.


If it were just this, I'd be inclined to agree. But, it seems as if he's been up to deceivin' Star Wars fans for years, claimin' all kinds of things that, if believed by someone, would end up disappointing that person when those things were proven untrue.

There are some funny moments on there though.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 8:22 PM

VIOLETRIX


Quote:

let's give SuperShadow his due, he's a funny bastard.



i liked the references to all the girlies lucas gets. it is a very funny site.

http://violetrix.blogspot.com
if i ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 8:23 PM

CHRISPV


Personally, I don't think he's trying to be funny in the slightest. I think he gets off a little bit on naive folks who wander onto his site and think he really is some high-ranking insider in the Lucasian Empire.

'Course, that's just one man's opinion.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 9:02 PM

ASARIAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Snap:
George Lucas: The best way to judge how could science fiction films are is to examine their box-office earnings. Serenity took in a weak $ 25 million dollars in North America. Revenge of the Sith crushed this figure with earnings toppling over $ 380 million dollars. Hence, Star Wars is fifteen times more popular that the hack work produced by Whedon.



As River would say: "Sad little king on a sad little hill."

And that's all I care to say about this low-life piece of go-se.



"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam.

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Saturday, February 4, 2006 9:11 PM

STILLFREE


To everyone who took the interview at face value: shame on you! Use your critical thinking faculties for one second before passing such harsh judgement on Lucas. Do you think he'd give an exclusive interview to a site called "Supershadow?" If you do judge him, at least let it be for the new trilogy. That's almost deserving of the Sarlacc pit.

Thinking before speaking is one thing, but thinking before posting is just so much easier. Take the time.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 12:41 AM

ANASAZI


You mean hust cuz it's on the 'net does'nt mean it's valid and true?....OMG my entire world is about tou o fall apart....

Seriously people, did you really buy into this bogus site? Sheesh, the Alliance would have had you wrapped around it's little finger when it came to propaganda.....

________________________________________________________
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Sunday, February 5, 2006 12:48 AM

ASARIAN


Quote:

Seriously people, did you really buy into this bogus site? Sheesh, the Alliance would have had you wrapped around it's little finger when it came to propaganda.....


Nah; you got this backwards. :) I really posted the Alliance way:

"We shoot first. Brass can sort it out later."



"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 1:20 AM

HORRID


Quote:

Well, to be honest making a Jedi robe is not all that difficult. You just take a potato sack and cut a hole at one of the corners, then cut the sack to make an opening. Even an autistic tard could do this with much ease.


this didn't give it away to anyone?

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 4:28 AM

JONUS


Supershadow is an obsessed Star Wars fan who makes people believe he's best friends with Lucas. Don't trust anything on his site!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supershadow

Mal would kick Han Solo's ass.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 4:43 AM

GIXXER


Obvious fake.

I direct m'learned friends towards the blatant use of vocabulary, grammar and syntax. And actual readability.

Can't have been him.

The prosecution rests.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 7:19 AM

NEEDY

The road to Hel is paved with good intentions


LOL, that site's hilarious

I loved this bit:

Quote:


George Lucas, I have a question for you: In Attack of the Clones, on Kamino, when Obi-Wan, Lama-Su, and Taun-We are walking in that corridor, we see what looks like the bottom of the Star Trek Enterprise, is that where it came from?

George Lucas: No, the Enterprise of Star Trek did not originate on Kamino. The events of Attack of the Clones occurred approximately 170,000 years prior to the first, original Star Trek TV series. What happened is that I got permission from Paramount Pictures (the film studio that owns all rights to Star Trek) to let me use this design. I love ripping off the ideas of others so I can spend less time thinking about Star Wars. It saves me much time to borrow ideas so I can spend more time with my super model girlfriends. If you remember, we also had one of the 2001: A Space Odyssey pods in Watto’s junk yard in The Phantom Menace.



and another funny reply

Quote:


George Lucas: Thanks for the kind words. You have really made my whole year. It is rare to find a fan so dedicated that they buy all the merchandise we produce related to Star Wars. I really do admire you for giving me so much money. You’re willing to flip burgers for pennies a day to keep Lucasfilm in riches. I am forever grateful. You give me the ability to buy a brand-new Lamborghini each year. I thank you for that. It means so much to me. So much that you couldn’t imagine.

Padme was about eight months pregnant when the Skywalker twins were removed from her. Anakin and Padme never had an official honeymoon. Anakin and Padme were together again in the Star Wars equivalent of Heaven. Obi-Wan has to construct his house himself. He builds his home on unclaimed land. Thanks for defending Star Wars so hardily. We need somebody to stand up to the failures of life who do nothing but complain because they are so bitter and jaded about life.



Relax guys, its all done in good fun. If some people are fooled by it then its their own fault for not getting a little thing called "sarcasm"
Sure, it might seem odd for the guy to boost his name by saying he is GL's best mate, but that too is done in the name of a laugh - kinda like when you photoshop images to add yourself in a pciture with a celebrity.
Granted the guy does seem to have a bit too much time on his hands (but then, some may say the same thing about people like us who spend so much time on forums like this)

...

Sorry, just got to add that I read this one too and thought it was laugh out loud funny

Quote:


First of all, I'd like to say this; I have read some of the comments and a few of them you basically call the person an idiot. Wouldn't it be smarter and time saving to just read the ones that are worth reading instead of ones that make you pity the idiot that has a small brain. And now to my actual question. Did you actually take the time to think about the way a light saber would work? A few of us spent half a year pondering this and taking different pieces of the light saber and such at a time and trying to put some logic into it, we got a few theories if you would like to read one, like to read on enough to actually take the time out of your busy day, then my email is ****@hotmail.com.

George Lucas: I have to respond to some of the hardcore losers who write in to me so that they know exactly how I feel about them. Some of these people are deluded enough to think their opinion actually matters. They post on message boards that are read by two or three people. This makes them think they are talking to the entire fan base, which is totally ridiculous. SuperShadow.com is the only place on the Net where you can make contact with hundreds of thousands of true fans. I bash these mentally challenged people to show them who’s boss. Their opinions will never matter just as their lives have no purpose. It makes me laugh really hard that somebody wastes so much time spouting off hatred about Star Wars.

You need to remember that I had about three years to come up with the light-saber idea while writing Star Wars from 1973 to 1975. I basically thought they were like regular swords except instead of having metal blades the blades would be of some kind of energy. I can’t tell you exactly how the light saber works because I’m not an engineer or physicist. I’m sure there are extraterrestrials that have working light sabers. There may be real light-saber battles happening all over the Universe.



Come on people, you actually bought into this guy?


Needy. Male Companion a.k.a. First Boy Whore of Destiny

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 8:17 AM

SYNCHRO


I almost fell for it...

In the future, there are always these big slow spinning fan blades.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 10:06 AM

11THHOUR


Quote:

Originally posted by RKLENSETH:
According to posts I've been reading at IMdB, George Lucas ripped on Serenity and Firefly and Whedon calling them bargain bin trash. The posters provide no link but said it was in an interview featured on www.supershadow.com.

Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone actually seen this article or interview?



This George Lucas "interview" is so very, very fake... for so many reasons.

If it has prompted any extended arguments on IMdB, or admonishments against George Lucas, then I find this troubling... troubling because it means people can be duped so easily. Apparently, critical thinking is in short supply these days.

The Star Wars fanboy who wrote the "interview" probably wants to get George Lucas' attention, even if it means doing it in a negative way.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 10:55 AM

SAMEERTIA


Lucas knows better than to alienate Hollywood powers with such comments. Hollywood is politics, my friends, and you play the game or you find yourself in Spain or France making indie films on no budget.

The site, though, overall, is pretty darn hilarious!


And look! It gets more people saying "What is "Firefly"?" And we LIKE that!

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 11:50 AM

KEVAR


Hmmm, I'm sure this has been brought up. But judging from the responses, and the fact that GL doesn't give a whole lot of interviews. I sincerely doubt this is GL. Probably some hack SW fanboy who thinks that Haden Christiansen can act.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 12:08 PM

CHRISISALL


Yep. It's a bunch of crap.
I'm surprised Lucas' lawyers haven't sued this fellow yet.

Jar-Jar Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 12:19 PM

LADYSINGS


I don't know if anyone will remember this but on one of the DVD commentaries for Buffy, (I believe it's on the 6th season episode "Bargaining"...a comment by Marti Noxon) they actually talk about George Lucas coming to the set with his daughter because she was such a big fan. He even asked some of the cast to come to Australia and visit him on set.

That doesn't sound like somebody who would then turn around and rip on everything that Joss has created. In other words, I believe the interview is a fake.

"Kaylee, find that kid who's takin' a dirt nap with baby Jesus. We need a hood ornament."

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 12:28 PM

GLOBLABSURDITY


This is obviously drivel. It seems to me that in the land of Hollywood--most everyone seems to go out of their way to sucker up or put on a kinda show for everyone else. Meaning that if a particular director doesn't like something another puts out--I doubt you'd hear anything from first said director about it. If they like what the other has created--they'll go on and on about it. The consensus being that you never really know who may be on top of the game next--so don't cut your throat or burn your bridge. 'Everybody play nice'. Of course there are exeptions to this rule--those who seem to rattle the fences a bit--like our Joss. However, even Joss doesn't seem to strike out with too much venom--with him it's more implied and wrapped up in humor. I've seen interviews with Lucas as well--and he is much more professional in approach than the 'bozo' on this site.

*Never judge a book by it's movie*
*The heart is an artist that paints over what profoundly disturbs it, leaving on the canvas a less dark,less sharp version of the truth*--D.Koontz (Forever Odd)

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 12:38 PM

LUVMYVERA


Ok so we all know it is fake, but how do you think GL really feels about Firefly? It is obvious Joss loves Star Wars when he talks about the Millenium Falcon. GL may have lost his touch as a director, but he still has a s*** ton of money and a nice ranch that he could lend to a series if he wants. Ok not going to happen but we can dream right?

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 1:58 PM

CHINDI


yeah it has gotta be a total fake.. and I doubt GL feels ANYTHING bad toward Whedon or any other genuine film makers.. he just doesn't seem the type- especially since he is a Hollywood Maverick himself.

I think Lucas is probably a really decent guy and he probably liked Serenity if he saw it... he probably also wishes he got Whedon to do the script.. but that's another story!

Chindi

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 2:16 PM

RIVERTAMKICKSASS03


prity sure this is a fake

Plus, why is everyone down on episdoe 1 2 and 3 they were far more interesting than 4,5,6. I mean they actully shown how bad guys get control of the world and how bad guys go bad.

the prequals are great becouse for once the plucky underdog is the evil tyrant

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 2:56 PM

MURKYMERC


Quote:

Originally posted by rivertamkicksass03:
prity sure this is a fake

Plus, why is everyone down on episdoe 1 2 and 3 they were far more interesting than 4,5,6. I mean they actully shown how bad guys get control of the world and how bad guys go bad.




I agree, we know it is a fake. In regards to people being down on 1,2,3 it is becuase it lacked the chemistry between the characters that 4,5 and had, which is actually one of the things I love so much about Firefly/Serenity.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 3:10 PM

OMELET


I completely agree, this interview is bull crap.

Oh, and episodes 1,2, and three 3 were just not as good as 4,5,and 6. The latter had the most interesting characters and a wonderful story to boot. 1,2,and 3 were just oversaturated with special effects and such that just took away from the story and characters.

That's why I believe Serenity is such a better movie than the recent Star Wars films. Because it was made on a lower budget, the special effects weren't used as much, which didn't detract from the characters or the story line. It's kind of ironic actually. A super special effects driven movie who's story is not so great does exceptionally well at the box office. On the other hand, the movie that is done well and has a more compelling story and group of characters does not do as well as the other movie.

Sometimes, I wish people would open their eyes and take a look at what their watching. Not everything is how it appears.

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Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

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