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I will not wear Firefly as if it were a Nike symbol on my chest.

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Monday, October 30, 2006 12:24 PM

KANEMAN


Baby,
"being a baby killer"

"aborted fetus of the Internet generation".

Cool, I feel so dirty right now. For which clinic do you work ? Do you do the cutting or the suction. You are a nasty nasty man. God bless you. Do you know that in late term abortions the baby screams out in the womb while being chainsawed into removable parts?(though I was aborted I don't recall making a peep, I'm good like that) You shouldn't use abortion in a post....Cause, it's taboo....Shame on you, Babygirl...Shame on you....Well, it's true......

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Monday, October 30, 2006 2:20 PM

CITIZEN


"The law is like the doors to a rich hotel, open to everyone."

Welcome to twentith century law, I'm afraid most of it is aimed directly at protecting property for those rich enough to say it's theirs.

Andy Warhols Cambels soup as before noted wouldn't last long today. It would be marked as a derivative work and cambel would expect damages.

The situation is simply stupid. I'm reminded of situations like Nissan suing a company similarly named Nissan after it's founder, after Nissan changed it's name from Datsun. How a company that changes it's name can sue another that has had the name for decades (and successfully too) boggles the mind.

Well not really, Datsun/Nissan had more money.

Anyone who thinks the law has anything to do with Justice is a bloody loony.



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Monday, October 30, 2006 3:23 PM

MINK


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
"The law is like the doors to a rich hotel, open to everyone."

Welcome to twentith century law, I'm afraid most of it is aimed directly at protecting property for those rich enough to say it's theirs.

Anyone who thinks the law has anything to do with Justice is a bloody loony.




I'm an attorney and I believe the law has something to do with Justice. The more money you've got, the more Just it is. Just make sure my check don't bounce ...

J/K. What I meant to say is that the law is simply not coextensive with justice. It is a tool that can be made to serve, and wealth and power will do what they always do.

From what I've heard about the 11th hour thing, if they had money they could pay someone like me to tell Universal in the right legally cognizable manner to stuff most of their demands. Given that they probably don't, the intent of Universal's lawyers is to scare the crap out of them and get them to agree to whatever, since Universal knows full well that 11th hour cannot pay the money they're demanding.

If it were me I'd make a pleasant request first, but maybe there has been some prior correspondence we aren't privy to.

"When I write my memoirs, that sh!t'll be in there, guaranteed."

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Monday, October 30, 2006 3:23 PM

MINK


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
"The law is like the doors to a rich hotel, open to everyone."

Welcome to twentith century law, I'm afraid most of it is aimed directly at protecting property for those rich enough to say it's theirs.

Anyone who thinks the law has anything to do with Justice is a bloody loony.




I'm an attorney and I believe the law has something to do with Justice. The more money you've got, the more Just it is. Just make sure my check don't bounce ...

J/K. What I meant to say is that the law is simply not coextensive with justice. It is a tool that can be made to serve, and wealth and power will do what they always do.

From what I've heard about the 11th hour thing, if they had money they could pay someone like me to tell Universal in the right legally cognizable manner to stuff most of their demands. Given that they probably don't, the intent of Universal's lawyers is to scare the crap out of them and get them to agree to whatever, since Universal knows full well that 11th hour cannot pay the money they're demanding.

If it were me I'd make a pleasant request first, but maybe there has been some prior correspondence we aren't privy to.

"When I write my memoirs, that sh!t'll be in there, guaranteed."

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Monday, October 30, 2006 3:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


RABBAN: Thanks for the positive input. Though it's not in as short supply as I may have thought at first, it's always great to have more support. Looking forward to seeing your products soon. Glad to have you on board. Let's be bad guys!

CITIZEN: I wasn't aware of the Nissan/Datsun situation, though it doesn't suprise me in the least. Justice in the new law goes to the higest bidder. I should do more research and see if Cambell's Soup is getting royalties for Warhol's work... That also, would not suprise me. Sometimes it sucks being a poor Browncoat, but I wouldn't trade it for the 'verse.

KAYNA: Thank you as well. I'm glad that I could put some of these thoughts into words for you. I haven't done much writing since high school, so I really didn't know that I had it in me all this time. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. I agree with you totally about Seryn's take on the situation as well. That's one firey little Brit who isn't walking through life with her eyes closed.

As for the calm and polite replys, I've found that people who disagree with you are much more prone to hear out your side of the debate if you present it in a calm and civilized manner. We're all Browncoats here, and I don't feel that there is any need for us to fight amongst ourselves. Those who feel it necessary to abuse themselves and their reputations by subjecting themselves on a daily basis to a thread which is so obviously traumatic to them they feel the need to berate and flame others, well..... let's just say that I'm not a fan of censorship.

I believe, with everything that I am, in our basic freedom of speech. This free-speech policy at FireFlyFans.net is one of the great attractions for me here. Sometimes, unfortunately, this gets abused and people use freedom of speech as a pass to say some very reprehensible things which really need not be said. I feel this is a reflection of the poor parenting they may have recieved and their inability to interact with people on a social level in the real world. It is a shame that a thread with intelligent points being made on both sides of the debate is being sullied by a few troglodytes who apprently have no other outlets for their hostility or any other ways to get their rocks off.

HELLSKITTEN: Looks like I missed your original post? I'm really curious to see what you had to say. I don't bite... well maybe I bite a litte. I'm sorry if anything I said in my last post to you may have gotten a little too deep under your skin. I assure you that it's nothing personal and that I'm not here to try to offend people. As I'm sure you're aware, I am very passionate about this issue and sometimes I can be a little overbearing and opinionated. I'm trying not to say anything personally offensive in here, but as with anything worth being passionate about, somebody usually gets hurt. I'm looking forward to hearing from you again.

BABYWITHTHEPOWER: I will not comment on what you have to say other than, I know you aren't like that and you shouldn't bring yourself down to anybody elses level. Don't join in the flame war. It only feeds their appetites.

And to all, I'm looking forward to your replies and I hope we can continue to have a healthy and educational debate for everyone. I am open to any ideas or suggestions or thoughts any of you have.

They can't stop the signal,
Mark


BTW.... If anybody can tell me why the name of my thread was changed to "RE:" and how we can change it back, it would be mighty appreciated. Thanks in advance.....


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Monday, October 30, 2006 4:10 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
There were others who obeyed the letter of the law.... Those were the Germans who followed the Nazis in WWII, when in their hearts they knew what they were doing and what was being done was wrong. They did this out of fear and because they had no power.

I realize that the Holocaust and copyright violations are two very different ballparks, but this fact does not nullify the value of one topic next to the other. This (copyrights) is a very important issue, and people should not blindly follow the leader here. This is not an issue that is only black and white. There are many shades of gray that are all going to the copyright holders because they have the money and the lawyers and all the time in the world to copyright every word we speak in the end.

I'm from America myself and our forefathers promoted speaking against your government. They told us that the price for freedom was eternal vigilance. They abhored the idea of a centralized government and the now common notion that the government should provide for it's people. If we mindlessly "obey the letter of the law" as you put it, without asking any questions, then we are just condoning our own slavery and admitting our dependence to them, and we then diserve no better.

I am an artist as well. True artists are not in it for the money. Most of them have other jobs or they starve. A great majority of artists sadly never even get noticed until after they are dead, if ever. True artists don't sell their souls so they can make a million dollars when their song is the theme for a new sports car. There isn't a thing that I would create in the world that I wouldn't want somebody else to have the ability to recreate and make better themselves. Copyrights limit our ability to evolve on an artistic and intellectual level as a species which, when you really think about it, is a very good thing if you're planning to go to war with every country in the world and you want your people mindlessly "obeying the letter of the law" and not questioning why.

Respectfully,
Mark

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OK, why are we bringing up Nazi's? Thats really insulting. Someone prefers to live within the law and you call them a Nazi? And you took issue with what Kaneman said? Telling someone they are a Nazi is beyond the pale. Even attempting in any manner to equate 11th Hour and others being hit up for licensing fees and the Holocaust is just plain reprehensible. Bad form 6string.

As for our founding fathers abhorring "the idea of a centralized government and the now common notion that the government should provide for it's people" WHAT? What are you taking about?

The issue is this. Browncoats made their own unlicensed product and sold them. Others of us purchased them. Everything was hunky dory until the powers that be realized they were losing money. They sought to stop it. As is their right. Does it suck for 11th Hour and the others? Yes. But they knew the risks and they took them. Don't do the crime if you can't pay the time. Simple as that.


Copyrights do not limit our ability to evolve on an artistic or intellectual level. Copyrights stop us from taking the ideas of others and passing them off as our own. If you have to steal from someone else then you don't have a whole lot of creative talent. And that is (you) in the general not specific.

edited because I am tired and cant seem to spell gud.



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Monday, October 30, 2006 4:45 PM

PINBALLWIZARD


It's so ironical it's sad, I agree. Really shows how predictable suits are.
But then again, I've always held severl truths close to my heart, amongst them being a Buddhist saying, "the cause of all suffering is ignorance," and another being mine, "the cause of all ignorance is beauocracy." So by extention beauocracy is suffering incarnate.
What we are really dealing with is that most inhuman monster, "policy." I doubt that Universal wants to diliberately stamp out a potential fanbase and money making venture, but what they've inadvertantly done is snuffed it out with piles of red tape. Their beauocrats (or Vogons as I call them), with their unimaginative minds and florecant bleached hands, have casually decided to kill our websites, custom t-shirts and other goodies by enstating an amendment to a policy that was written years ago that no longer applies to anything but nobody can remember why it was put there and it'd be too bothersome to remove it. Paperwork, paperwork, paperwork! That's who our real enemy is.
We must cut through the red tape and talk to those who are really in charge, and not in any legal jargon language. We must find a way around that stupid rule. The QMx guys can do it, so can we!


No, I am not insane, I am crazy. Thank you for asking.

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Monday, October 30, 2006 5:41 PM

KANEMAN


"BTW my friend.... Warhol's Campbell Soup silkscreens are going for an asking price of $15,000.00 at the artbrokerage.com now."

There's a sucker born every day...You go buy one. Shit, I'll paint you a Progresso soup can for..ah...er..$20,000. We can say it's my interpretation of pop culture's disgust with neo-cons....... asshole.(Get it... Progresso = progressive thought[liberals]..ah..brillant!)


Wholly shit!!!! I think FutureMrsFillion agrees with me..Well, kinda...No,..really, really she does... Who da thunk it?

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Monday, October 30, 2006 5:48 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:

...I'm afraid most of it is aimed directly at protecting property for those rich enough to say it's theirs.

Well not really, Datsun/Nissan had more money.

Anyone who thinks the law has anything to do with Justice is a bloody loony.




Yer gorram correct . Recently , I went to court with a disabled person who needed the help , and the Judge ( I use that term in only the most liberal and colloquial sense ) actually had the gall to say , " This ain't about what's fair or right , it's about what's LEGAL ." And this idjit is up for re-election in November . Well , maybe they should be re-elected for telling the TRUTH , even if the principles are WRONG .

But , even more galling , I looked up the Rules of Civil Procedure in this State , which turned out to be a revelation . Apparently , when it's a civil lawsuit , you are in a " commercial " court . And guess who made all the " Rules " for this commercial court ? Of course , a committee of lawyers from the state Bar association .

Sick , sick , sick...

Still Flyin' !

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Monday, October 30, 2006 6:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


MINK: Thank you for your input as an attorney. I believe that you are right. If the 11th hour had the money to pay for the long, drawn out legal battle... at least enough to make it not worth Universal's time, they would most likely be able to fend off this attack. I've known plenty of lawyers, and on my social and financial rung, they're not worth the money you pay them. I think it's obvious that I don't have a whole lot of respect for law or government in general, but I do recognize that there are many individuals who make up the system and that even though I believe we're on different sides, they aren't bad people based solely on their chosen profession. I also realize that there are politicians, lawyers, law enforcement and people who join the armed services who do so with noble intentions. I hope to hear more from you on this topic in the future.

FUTUREMRSFILLION: Ah, yes... the dangers of brining up Nazism in any debate. Such a touchy subject for most that the entire point of the argument can so easily be lost, misquoted, or misdirected.

As I have said before, I do not believe that I used that example in a careless or unscrupulous manner. I am not an anarchist. I believe there are many laws which have been created which are of great benefit to society. That being said, it would be foolish for I, or anyone else for that matter, to believe that every single law that has ever been created was established with the sole intention of protecting and benefiting mankind as a whole. The fact is, it's the rich that make the laws the poor must abide by. To infer from my writing that I believe that anybody who obeys a law is a Nazi is complete hogwash and I implore you to read what I have written again with a receptive mind and truly see where I was making the parallel.

I would not be foolish enough to bring up Nazism in a debate about the validity and necessity of copyright, if that is all we were discussing in itself. If this were the case, then you and DAMIENWOLFE would be well within your rights to label me a lunatic or accuse me of bad form. I would do the same for anyone else who would carelessly toss around the holocaust as if the holocaust happened only for the benefit of simpletons who cannot prove their point in any other matter.

It is a long thread and I will concede that it may have been easy to miss where this was truly directed, so I will take the time to explain my train of thought here:

SUZFROMOZ originally posted: I personally wouldn’t buy any of these unnocifical fan products because they are in breach of copyright. I see the attraction, and I appreciate the skill, creativity etc in the original designs (although Ive seen a lot that were using specific logos etc from the movie) but to me its similar to pirated movies and music - I refuse to even watch them, never mind downloading them. I think what's happening is a risk people took when they first started going down the road of selling fan products. I'm just a stickler for the rules I guess......
Im sorry if browncoats are having trouble over this though.....


OK... you probably agree with all of what SUZFROMOZ said so far. I don't buy into that particular train of thought, however, so I responded: Again I feel that while everyone is entitled to their point of view, I feel that you are another that regurgitates the indoctrination of the RIAA and MPAA. I know that there is almost zero chance of changing your mind at this point, but I applaud you as well for being able to speak your piece of mind without resorting to troll like behavior.

Whether or not you agree with me up to this point (and I'm assuming you don't) is irrelevant here regarding my use of Nazism... please read on. This next post embodied a very scary sentiment to me, which I feel many people are starting to echo today, in America and abroad. Here is SUZFROMOZ's reply: hmm, intersting. I am not indoctrinated by anyone - I dont even know who RIAA and MPAA are and I dont live in the US (hence the name). What I am, is someone who believes in obeying the letter of the law, even if you disagree with it. If you dont like a law, try and change it, dont break it. And as an artist also, I have a vested interest in the notion of intellectual property.

That thought in itself is indoctrinated thinking and if everyone were to think that way, then it wouldn't be long before our government was to make laws which would mindlessly follow that would blatantly enslave everyone, even if we disagreed with it. This is where I drew a parallel to Nazism. I did no such thing as trying to equate the barbaric way 11th Hour is being treated to the holocaust. Are there some parallels... well, that's for the observer to decide for themselves, but I would never tell you that 11th Hour is in the middle of a holocaust with Universal being headed by Hitler... that's just rubbish.

Now, to answer your question:
Quote:

As for our founding fathers abhorring "the idea of a centralized government and the now common notion that the government should provide for it's people" WHAT? What are you taking about?


Well... I'd ask "Are you serious?", but I'm not really surprised. This knowledge isn't exactly the stuff that most learn inside the classroom when they're children, and it does require a bit of extra-curricular reading on the patriot's part. I won't go to deep into a history lesson here, but may I submit a few quotes from Thomas Jefferson and my favorite quote from Benjamin Franklin which may enlighten you and help illustrate my point at the same time:

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson

The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object. - Thomas Jefferson

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. - Thomas Jefferson

On December 23, 1913 we let our Congress give up the exclusive right to coin American currency to the Federal Reserve (which is a centralized banking institution and NOT even an American institution, for those of us who didn't know that). Shortly thereafter, via FED meddling (which Jefferson had warned us about in his quote above and many other occasions) and the stock market crash of 1929, America fell to the great beast known as the Great Depression. This happened, coincidentally(?), several years before Franklin Roosevelt was sworn in as president in 1932 and proposed the Social Security Act in 1935 to provide for the people. This Act was originally challenged as unconstitutional by congress, but was upheld in the Supreme Court in May of 1937. And so American citizens submitted to letting the ever-growing government label us with social security numbers. We allowed ourselves to be labeled with these numbers, which have become attached to and can effectively track with today’s technology, everything we do and everything we are today... all because we refused to listen to the advice of our founding fathers and we were just afraid to live in utter destituteness anymore.

Today, via FED manipulation of the stock market again in the late 1900's early 2000's and the manipulation of the housing markets, we were witness to our housing values rising at rates 3 and 4 times or more faster than our yearly incomes were rising, due mostly to the historically low interest rates lenders were giving out because the FED lowered the rates. Now the FED is raising rates again, and many people with adjustable rate mortgages are in danger of losing their homes now due to the increased mortgage costs, incomes have been pretty much stagnant since 2001, and more houses are on the market and for longer periods of time than since the 1980's. With the interest rates rising, only one of two possibilities regarding our very housing market will play out. (a) House prices will plummet because nobody can afford them and people will be very sorry they used their house equity as an ATM, when taking into consideration the new bankruptcy laws (b) House prices will remain the same, and considering none of us are making any more money, we will most likely be renting our houses from banks or larger agencies such as Fanny Mae one day (Not to be confused with the candy maker Fanny May).

I think it only appropriate to follow that up with my favorite quote from one of the most intriguing men the world has ever known, Benjamin Franklin:

They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety - Benjamin Franklin


As an aside, Thomas Jefferson was also quoted as saying "Never spend your money before you have it.", but I'm just adding this in here because I think it's funny how almost nobody I know follows that sage advice.



Now, for the other point you are trying to make
Quote:

The issue is this. Browncoats made their own unlicensed product and sold them. Others of us purchased them. Everything was hunky dory until the powers that be realized they were losing money. They sought to stop it. As is their right. Does it suck for 11th Hour and the others? Yes. But they knew the risks and they took them. Don't do the crime if you can't pay the time. Simple as that.


This is purely your opinion on the matter and not a fact. Was there anything that I have said on this thread that would make you think for a moment that I agree with anything that you said in that statement simply because you state it as fact with authority? I do not recognize their copyright laws and there are many of us who do not. Whether you or I are right or wrong is all a matter of opinion as well. Does it suck for 11th hour and the others? You bet your ass it does, but that's the price you have to pay for being a free thinker and a go-getter in today's world. Someday the rules will change and the people will force that change. Though a majority of us are content with being followers who obey the letter of the law, there are those of us who find many of the laws to be unjust and find it our duty to subvert them. Call us criminals, call us what you will. I would think that if nothing else could prove the validity of this entire notion to you that our BDH's could have.

As for developing new ideas from old ideas, I've covered that argument several times in this thread already, and this post is already far too long as it is. Ill just say that mankind has been doing that for centuries now and we wouldn't have all the cool little gadgets we have today if we didn't. We wouldn't even be having this conversation now, and nobody would even know what a blog was, let alone a personal computer.

As always, nothing personal FUTUREMRSFILLION. I hope that even if you don't see my point of view, you can at least see that I wasn't carelessly throwing around the Holocaust as my personal playtoy.




And to anybody else reading this, I hope you're finding this thread to be as interesting as I. I apologize to any of you who find all this a tad depressing, and possibly a bit off topic at the same time. I'm of the mind that this is all related, so when I diverge like this it is only because I feel I'm so far removed from the "box" that I can see all of these things working in tandem.... and besides, somebody asked me what I was talking about. For me to unravel the way my mind works in its entirety, I would probably have to write a book or 10 and I don't really think that I'm all that interesting a read.

Warmest Regards,
Mark

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Monday, October 30, 2006 8:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


A little aside here to EMBERS, if you read this thread. I was just acquainting myself with the 11th Hour thread. I must admit that I haven't kept up with that thread as much as I could have.... shame on me. I noticed a troll was arguing the use of Andy Warhol as an example in that thread as well and I thought somebody was using my example of his work there too... Well it turns out that EMBERS had brought up Andy Warhol's work on the 24th, so I have to give EMBERS props for getting to that point well before I did. I didn't chomp that off you EMBERS (Don't sue me... lol). I was actually a little embarassed to see that I had brought that up after you covered it 5 days before.

I'm too modest to say something like "Great minds think alike"... so I'll just think it to myself instead.

I noticed there are other interesting posts on this board right around the time I was making my last post and afterwards. I will comment on these as I get the chance to.

Keep Flyin',
Mark

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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:19 AM

GREENFAERIE


While I don't disagree with you on most particular points, I WILL buy licensed products as a browncoat. Not because I'm a Universal/FOX loving consumer, but because I believe in the Firefly 'Verse and want to see more of it. Frankly, I think it's silly to think boycotting Universal will bring about anything but the DEATH of Firefly/Serenity.


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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:05 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
FUTUREMRSFILLION: Ah, yes... the dangers of brining up Nazism in any debate. Such a touchy subject for most that the entire point of the argument can so easily be lost, misquoted, or misdirected.

As I have said before, I do not believe that I used that example in a careless or unscrupulous manner. I am not an anarchist. I believe there are many laws which have been created which are of great benefit to society. That being said, it would be foolish for I, or anyone else for that matter, to believe that every single law that has ever been created was established with the sole intention of protecting and benefiting mankind as a whole. The fact is, it's the rich that make the laws the poor must abide by. To infer from my writing that I believe that anybody who obeys a law is a Nazi is complete hogwash and I implore you to read what I have written again with a receptive mind and truly see where I was making the parallel.

I would not be foolish enough to bring up Nazism in a debate about the validity and necessity of copyright, if that is all we were discussing in itself. If this were the case, then you and DAMIENWOLFE would be well within your rights to label me a lunatic or accuse me of bad form. I would do the same for anyone else who would carelessly toss around the holocaust as if the holocaust happened only for the benefit of simpletons who cannot prove their point in any other matter.

It is a long thread and I will concede that it may have been easy to miss where this was truly directed, so I will take the time to explain my train of thought here:




I am perfectly capable of reading and read your post in its entirety. What you do not understand is that attempting to compare ANYTHING to the Halocaust belittles it. Period.



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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I thank you for your opinions, but in this particular instance, I strongly disagree. If you have anything else of value to add to this thread, please do not hesitate to do so.

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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:54 PM

TERRI


Browncoats will buy Universal made apparel. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. The way that they're shutting down lots of fan run websites, well, you could argue for and against that. But the fact of the matter is, it's illegal what the fan sites are doing. That doesn't mean it's any less important, and that doesn't mean that it's any less awesome, but it's still illegal. So, whether or not they have the right to do what they're doing isn't the issue. It sucks, yes, I agree with that wholeheartedly. Also, I think that it's dangerous to try to get into Joss Whedon's mind and try to assume what you think he would or wouldn't want or not want. Unless the man comes out saying something, doesn't mean one thing or another. Maybe he agrees completely with what Universal's doing, maybe he doesn't but is worried about an eminent sequel. Maybe is doesn't agree, but just doesn't think it's his place. It's not our place to assign motives to him. At least we should wait for some kind of word on that front. Which brings me back to my original point. You're not going to buy any Univeral stuff, that's totally fine. But I want Universal to know that there are Browncoats who are out there and there are people who are interested in the franchise. If it takes a little whoring to get a sequel, so be it.


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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 6:50 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I won't go to deep into a history lesson here, but may I submit a few quotes from Thomas Jefferson and my favorite quote from Benjamin Franklin which may enlighten you and help illustrate my point at the same time:



Gee thanks for "enlightening me" I guess I didn't have to waste all those years studying History and Politics, I could have just waited for you.


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Tuesday, October 31, 2006 7:16 PM

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I respect your stance on this GREENFAERIE & TERRY. Kill em with kindness. Looks like a lot of Browncoats are going that way. Nothing says that all Browncoats have to act uniformley.

I'm going to take the other road and spread the word about Universal's actions beyond the fan bases. It's already happening. I'd like to see this issue frontpage news someday soon. I think the public as a whole diserves to see how powerful we've let these corporations become and how they throw their weight about with no consideration for the little guy. And do remember that Universal came to us as a friend, invited us to use images to promote the movie in any way possible and then turned on us.

I don't think my actions and the actions that others who think like I do will do anything to hurt the possibilities of a new movie. It would surely get their attention, and probably bring in thousands of new fans if the story got big enough. I'm hoping for a new BDM, but I'd be even happier if we buried the frackers. Somebody else would be more than happy to make a new BDM after all the publicity that would ensue. All press is good press. You do it your way... I'll do it my way, but in the end, we're all doing it as Browncoats.

FUTUREMRSFILLION: This thread, and probably me in particular, obviously gets deep under your skin. Why do you continue to suject yourself to such abuse?

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Wednesday, November 1, 2006 12:15 PM

SIGMANUNKI


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Originally posted by ecgordon:

That's my question too. Your post was so short and didn't really say anything, am I wrong to try to figure out what you did mean?




Actually, somewhat, yes: you could have just asked instead of coming to your own conclusions when you admit that I didn't give enough info for you to figure out what I meant.

What I did imply is what I do. Which also implying what you could (not should) do i.e. I provided an option that may have not been considered.

I still believe that I gave enough info to come the above conclusion though. Bah, no matter. Life continues

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