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FFF.NET under attack.

POSTED BY: HAKEN
UPDATED: Monday, July 28, 2008 09:08
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Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:40 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Yup, you read right, we're under a DOS attack and the bots are going nuts trying to inject more bad scripts all over the place.

From what I can tell, they're coming from Egypt, Taiwan, Russia, and Brazil at the moment. Things are going to be rough for a while until all this passes.

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:51 AM

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Best of luck!

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 2:32 AM

HAKEN

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It's like a war against bots.

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 2:39 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by Haken:
It's like a war against bots.



Anything we can do from our end? I would expect not but all you need to do is ask you know.

David

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 5:31 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Haken:
Yup, you read right, we're under a DOS attack and the bots are going nuts trying to inject more bad scripts all over the place.

From what I can tell, they're coming from Egypt, Taiwan, Russia, and Brazil at the moment. Things are going to be rough for a while until all this passes.



I deduced that such was the case , but didn't want to be first to acknowledge it...

Reavers !

Probably agents of NWO , after us because of certain disclosures that are being made in RWED from time to time...

Thanks for the stellar service that you do for us , your Haken-ness , and for keepin' us flying !

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:05 AM

MSB


HUGS Haken...ok everybody to the paypal... if poor Haken's going to put in a ton of his free time to keep us running, then we need to make sure he gets compensation for his time!!

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:13 AM

EARLYWARNING


oh no!!! Skynets online. Where's Ar... I mean where's the T3.
I'll be in my bunk..er

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 7:32 AM

SUASOR


I feel for ya, man. In my corner of the world, the recent increase of SQL injection attacks has been a real pain (especially if you are up overnight trying to fix things.)

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 7:52 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


So that was what was up yesterday... Jeez.

I gotta plead complete ignorance here but what is a DOS? and an SQL was it? And why hack, to what gains?




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Saturday, July 26, 2008 10:17 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
So that was what was up yesterday... Jeez.

I gotta plead complete ignorance here but what is a DOS? and an SQL was it? And why hack, to what gains?



In this instance DOS refers to a Denial Of Service attack. Which is what it's called when somebody tries to jam up the server with spurious page requests so legitimate users can't get to the content. SQL is the type of database that the site runs on.

David

'Geeks can't admit that anything worthwhile was invented before 1981. Soon, "making cocoa" will be called "milk hacking."' - Lore Sjoberg

http://xkcd.com/386/

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:13 PM

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Computer terrorists. Well I have powerful allies.

Meet my good friend Gaz.


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Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:37 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
I gotta plead complete ignorance here but what is a DOS? and an SQL was it? And why hack, to what gains?



The bots responsible for these attacks inject javascript code into the SQL server so that when a dynamically generated page (like this one) is served up, the javascript runs on the user's browser to to redirect the browser to a website that has more malicious code that attempts to infect the user's computer to either gather data or to propagate itself further.

In order to do this, the bots probe all the site's pages for vulnerabilities. Imagine a lot of computers loading hundreds of pages all at the same time. FFF.NET, being a small site with limited bandwidth, can't handle that type of traffic and eventually stops working.

Since the last attack, I've patched some of the holes, at least the ones I know of, to prevent the injection from working or affecting other people.

However, there's little I can do about the DOS attack. The best I could do was to block a whole segment of the world off, particularly Asia, since it's where most of these attacks come from.


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Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:58 PM

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HUGS well it's wonderful whatever you do... Thanks ever so much Haken

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:09 PM

STINKINGROSE


Quick, hit the SGAtlantis fansite and threaten Rodney with a lemon unless he helps!!

(Sorry.)

I was wondering why the page wouldn't load last week.


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Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:34 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by Haken:

Quote:

The bots responsible for these attacks inject javascript code into the SQL server so that when a dynamically generated page (like this one) is served up, the javascript runs on the user's browser to to redirect the browser to a website that has more malicious code that attempts to infect the user's computer to either gather data or to propagate itself further.

In order to do this, the bots probe all the site's pages for vulnerabilities. Imagine a lot of computers loading hundreds of pages all at the same time. FFF.NET, being a small site with limited bandwidth, can't handle that type of traffic and eventually stops working.

Since the last attack, I've patched some of the holes, at least the ones I know of, to prevent the injection from working or affecting other people.

However, there's little I can do about the DOS attack. The best I could do was to block a whole segment of the world off, particularly Asia, since it's where most of these attacks come from.



Good grief!!! People do this kind of thing? What the hell for? I can't claim to fully understand this, but however you are doing it, well done for deflecting these guys. Seems like a nightmare! I find it incredible you can keep this site running with such determined 'bots' as you call them trying to attack the site in such large numbers at any given time.

Thanks Haken.

DaveShayne - thanks for your explanation also. Much appreciated.



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Saturday, July 26, 2008 2:12 PM

RALLEM


They're less than human is why. I suppose they spent too much time looking into the black and lost their minds.



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Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:39 PM

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Quote:

They're less than human is why. I suppose they spent too much time looking into the black and lost their minds.


They saw a vasty nothingness and went bibbledy over it. Then went into confederation with the Cylons and turned against mankind

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:15 PM

EMBERS


Wow, I had no idea you were having such troubles...
I've paypalled a donation, I hope it helps some.
I love this site and I would hate to see anything happen to it!

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 5:13 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Good grief!!! People do this kind of thing? What the hell for? I can't claim to fully understand this, but however you are doing it, well done for deflecting these guys. Seems like a nightmare! I find it incredible you can keep this site running with such determined 'bots' as you call them trying to attack the site in such large numbers at any given time.



People do it mostly because they can. They create these bots and let it loose mostly for the purpose of phishing (identity theft, credit card fraud, etc.). It's done either by distributing code that'll get on users' computer to collect info or by using the compromised servers to send out phishing spam or to propagate the bots. It's big money for them if it works. Most of the time, though, it just wreck havoc with everyone's websites, servers, and computers.

It's also very easy to do these days because toolkits for this stuff are readily available, and one no longer requires much programming skill, if any at all, to become a mad hacker on the verge of cyber world domination (at least that's the mindset).

If one is into conspiracies, the urban myth (or joke) is that many of these viruses, trojans, and bots are created by anti-virus companies. It's a guarantee moneymaker. Either pay for your antivirus subscription or risk infection. When business is slow, the antivirus companies and security firms release one or several of these things and everyone will come paying. Ah, but I digress.


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Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:21 PM

KNIGHTREYEDER


Sort of like insurance companies buying radar systems for the pigs. More tickets, more insurance company income. What a racket.

I see the money/motivation there, and had never heard this take on the virus scan companies.....hummmmmm, interesting.



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Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:31 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Quote:

Originally posted by Knightreyeder:
I see the money/motivation there, and had never heard this take on the virus scan companies.....hummmmmm, interesting.



On the other side of the coin, most of these antivirus and security firms are either founded by people who used to hack/crack/phreak or employ people who used to hack/crack/phreak, which makes perfectly good sense. Who better knows this stuff than those who used to build them.

Looking back, those nights of being wild were fun indeed. But, again, I digress.

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:59 PM

WYTCHCROFT


Quote:

Originally posted by Haken:


Looking back, those nights of being wild were fun indeed. But, again, I digress.



wags finger - for shame... tut tut:):)

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:34 PM

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Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:47 PM

PEULSAR5

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Quote:

Originally posted by wytchcroft:
Quote:

Originally posted by Haken:


Looking back, those nights of being wild were fun indeed. But, again, I digress.



wags finger - for shame... tut tut:):)



And we wouldn't have him any other way!!

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Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:42 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Haken Wrote:
Quote:

If one is into conspiracies, the urban myth (or joke) is that many of these viruses, trojans, and bots are created by anti-virus companies. It's a guarantee moneymaker. Either pay for your antivirus subscription or risk infection. When business is slow, the antivirus companies and security firms release one or several of these things and everyone will come paying. Ah, but I digress.


Oddly enough while I'd never thought of taking it as far as a conspiracy theory I have NEVER installed anti-virus software on my computers. Even the work ones of which we have four connected to the internet, and I'm happy to say we have never had any trouble with a virus. My home computer likewise.

Wether that is just plain luck I don't know. However I do wonder about anti-virus software. It's kind of like the ol' protection racket:

"You either pay us to portect your restaurant or y'know suddenly there's a salmonella scare in the kitchens... Capice!"

Quote:

It's also very easy to do these days because toolkits for this stuff are readily available, and one no longer requires much programming skill, if any at all, to become a mad hacker on the verge of cyber world domination (at least that's the mindset).


Incredible! I had no idea.... Mind you if everyone hacks everyone then.... eventually there will be no need to hack...?

Anyway thanks for the breakdowns Haken.




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Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:57 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Oddly enough while I'd never thought of taking it as far as a conspiracy theory I have NEVER installed anti-virus software on my computers. Even the work ones of which we have four connected to the internet, and I'm happy to say we have never had any trouble with a virus. My home computer likewise.



It's on the computers at work because that's policy and they can afford the subscription. However, I don't have it installed at home.

It's kind of like practicing safe sex. Don't be tempted if you don't know what's inside the box. And if you gotta have it, then by all means, please get protection.

In other words, don't open any attachment you don't know that will run something on your computer. Joke spams that contain powerpoint presentations are notorious. Not all are bad, but some do contain macros and will infect the unsuspecting.

Don't go to any websites you know will launch 10,000 popups that wants you to install something. I know some of you know what these sites are, and if you don't, then good for you.

Also don't install any software that you don't know about without Googling it first or if you're a BitTorrent user, please read the comments.

As for everyone hacking everyone. It's actually happening, though not on that grand of a scale. There exists competing hacking groups around the world trying to break into each others' countries computer networks and servers. Most are like taggers and are harmless, but some of do have government backing just like in the movies.

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Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:22 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by Haken:


Quote:


In other words, don't open any attachment you don't know that will run something on your computer. Joke spams that contain powerpoint presentations are notorious. Not all are bad, but some do contain macros and will infect the unsuspecting.

Don't go to any websites you know will launch 10,000 popups that wants you to install something. I know some of you know what these sites are, and if you don't, then good for you.

Also don't install any software that you don't know about without Googling it first or if you're a BitTorrent user, please read the comments.



I guess as a net user I'm pretty lazy. I don't do any of the things you just mentioned. I'm not a torrent user - I just don't understand how to use it to be honest, I have friends who talk endlessly about this kind of thing and then punctuate the comment with the fact that they're having trouble with their 'motherboard' or it caused some kind of seize-up that resulted in them having to re-format their hardrive. Man that's too much hassle for me.

I view a handful of sites this being my favourite and that's it. Nice and simple.

Hacking competitions eh? Interesting.... Could be a script in there somewheres. Hmmmm






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Sunday, July 27, 2008 8:55 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Hacking competitions eh? Interesting.... Could be a script in there somewheres. Hmmmm



LOL...there was, and it stars a young and short-haired Angelina Jolie. The movie is of course, Hackers.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113243/

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Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:01 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by Haken:

Quote:

LOL...there was, and it stars a young and short-haired Angelina Jolie. The movie is of course, Hackers.


HA! I was thinking more along the lines of War Games :D or Whizz Kids but now I'm really showing my age :D




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Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:09 AM

RALLEM


On my computers at home I have anti virus protection, as well as Ad-Aware and Spy-Bot. I've been a victim of viruses and worms and it was no fun getting my computer back to form, so I think the cost is worth while.



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Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:43 AM

HAKEN

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Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
HA! I was thinking more along the lines of War Games :D or Whizz Kids but now I'm really showing my age :D



Speaking of War Games, did you see 'War Games: The Dead Code?' It's somewhat of a sequel to the original in that a central figure from the 1983 original makes a return. To be honest, I found the movie more enjoyable than it really should be. Especially if one has a couple of hours to waste.


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Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:00 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by Haken:
Quote:

Speaking of War Games, did you see 'War Games: The Dead Code?' It's somewhat of a sequel to the original in that a central figure from the 1983 original makes a return. To be honest, I found the movie more enjoyable than it really should be. Especially if one has a couple of hours to waste.


Nope I hadn't heard of that. I'll keep an eye out for it. Looks enjoyable enough. Cheers Haken.

Remember Ally Sheedy from the original?... Man did I have a crush on her back in the day.... She was the reason I watched Short Circuit :D



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Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:02 PM

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Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:08 PM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
She was the reason I watched Short Circuit



I'm fairly certain she was the reason anybody watched Short Circuit.

David

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Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:09 PM

WYTCHCROFT


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:


Remember Ally Sheedy from the original?... Man did I have a crush on her back in the day.... She was the reason I watched Short Circuit :D




and the breakfast club... and high art... and, balls. i'm talking out loud again aint i?

lurve ally sheedy...

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Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:29 PM

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yes that was out loud...but we love you anyway:)

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Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Remember Ally Sheedy from the original?... Man did I have a crush on her back in the day.... She was the reason I watched Short Circuit :D

"Nice software!"


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Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by MSB:
yes that was out loud...but we love you anyway:)




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Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:44 PM

NCBROWNCOAT


There is a few good FREE anti virus programs out there. I use AVG and have for several years. It's updated regularly sometimes more than once a day, and I have a scan set for once a day.

I also use the Firefox browser. While not perfect, I think it's better than IE. And I love the cool extensions.

BTW I had a really big crush on Andrew McCarthy. Most girls I knew at that age loved Emilio Estevez but not me.

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Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
There is a few good FREE anti virus programs out there. I use AVG and have for several years. It's updated regularly sometimes more than once a day, and I have a scan set for once a day.

I also use the Firefox browser. While not perfect, I think it's better than IE. And I love the cool extensions.

BTW I had a really big crush on Andrew McCarthy. Most girls I knew at that age loved Emilio Estevez but not me.

http://fireflyfaninnc.livejournal.com/









Thats pretty much kept me from virus and stuff plundering my computer. Though, I use Avast! Anti Virus now, it seems to work as well/better.


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Monday, July 28, 2008 5:44 AM

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May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


I wondered what was going on. Thanks for the update Haken.

Things seem to be relatively calm this morning. Haven't been able to post or even read the site for a few days.

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Monday, July 28, 2008 7:31 AM

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Monday, July 28, 2008 8:38 AM

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we still flyin wonky as im finding it hard to post new threads

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Monday, July 28, 2008 8:54 AM

PDCHARLES

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Quote:

Originally posted by Haken:
Looking back, those nights of being wild were fun indeed. But, again, I digress.



Good work finding the culprit Haken!

Hee hee...

Ever had a " DELETE * " SQL injection? Whew baby. I've made some clients sweat with that one, lol. (Test DB) Hey look, all ur orders went bye- bye. Of course, I was the one fixing it, not wiping it. One client went internal-only for a few weeks.


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Monday, July 28, 2008 9:04 AM

HAKEN

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Quote:

Originally posted by miike:
we still flyin wonky as im finding it hard to post new threads



It's fixed.

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Monday, July 28, 2008 9:08 AM

MIIKE


thanks haken your ace

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Anybody pre-ordered the new Firefly original novel!
Tue, October 16, 2018 02:42 - 5 posts
"The Rookie" picked up by ABC
Mon, October 15, 2018 19:16 - 6 posts
Used to say Happy Monday!
Sun, October 14, 2018 22:52 - 1 posts
Nathan Fillion's new show The Rookie starts Tuesday, October 16, 2018 ABC 10/9c
Sun, October 14, 2018 22:52 - 1 posts
Has the FDA been complicit in intentionally mutating us??
Sat, October 13, 2018 12:54 - 9 posts
Thread of Font Colors
Fri, October 12, 2018 22:37 - 18 posts
Firefly Serenity Ornament With Light Got it! It is shiny!
Fri, October 12, 2018 22:31 - 3 posts
Santa Fe, NM CSTS event. Friday, October 12th, 2018. Serenity Charity Screening. Free Bumper Stickers!
Fri, October 12, 2018 09:20 - 1 posts
Ozark - finished season 2 - anyone watching?
Wed, October 10, 2018 23:21 - 7 posts
Buffy Reboot in 2019
Wed, October 10, 2018 04:22 - 1 posts
Carnegie, PA CSTS event. Saturday, October 5th, 2018. Dr. Horrible and Con Man Charity Screening.
Sat, October 6, 2018 00:24 - 1 posts

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