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Finding Serenity - due out on Friday

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 3:28 AM

KAYLEE4SIMON


That would be very shiny if it made the best sellers list.

I just wish the book was longer. Maybe their can be a part two, so many good stories!

Keep shiny!

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 4:03 AM

BYTETHEBULLET


Last nite I bought the last/only copy at a Borders near me. I am hooked on Half Life 2 and only read the 1st 'chapter'. Looks like it is gonna be good. I wanted to skip to Jewel's chapter but I will read it in order. Once I defeat HL2.


ByteTheBullet (-:

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 4:19 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by superant:
Looked in BN in Glendale on Friday night, thinking I could get a copy before the Meetup on Saturday. No joy. The clerk had not heard of it. He found it in the computer after we played 21 questions. But we couldn't find it on the shelves.

Welcome to my world.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:11 AM

JARED


Quote:

Originally posted by fray101:
which gave me an estimated dispatch date of 31st March. Checked back on 1st April to see whether it had shipped and they'd suddenly announced it was "limited availability"



same here.. hours after my last post i checked again (yes, again, im weird, i know) and they changed it to 1-2 weeks *sigh* if books were movies i could at least download it to fill the time until it arrives (just makes reading a pain). better dont think about the 2 months delay for serenity.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:24 AM

FRAY101


What annoys me is that they don't email you to tell you about the change. I bet if I hadn't cancelled my order it would still be saying "Estimated shipment date 31st March"!

To be fair though, 99% of the time I'm perfectly happy with Amazon.

I'm assuming that the book isn't actually being published in Europe (at least not yet), hence the delay. Thank heavens for holidays to the USA, that's all I can say :smile

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:28 AM

KELLAINA


So I wanted to read the book before I clicked on this thread. Now I HAVE to read this book!

All I have to say is Chapters better have one in stock when I order or head are gonna roll! (For the record the only reason I didn't pre-order was that if it arrives before classes finish on Friday I'll never finish the last paper I have to write, and I procrastinate enough as it is .)

Hmmm... if I order today, it could be here Friday. And I could spend all afternoon reading it .

*dashes off to order*

If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -"Angel"

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:26 AM

MANWITHPEZ

Important people don't do field work.


I take back any nice things I said about Barnes and Noble earlier. 2:30am April 2nd, they sent me an email saying that the book had been delayed. They posted a new shipment date of 1 May 2005. I almost had a stroke. I immediately cancelled my order and the next morning headed off to the local bookstores to look for it. No joy. I came back, and grudgingly reordered it. It now has a ship date of April 6th. So, all that for nothing. Because of bad info, I apparently delayed my own copy. Days like these, make me wish I'd never giving up sniffing glue!

Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:41 AM

GREENFAERIE


Well, I just went into Borders and grabbed the last copy there! I suspect they only had one or two on the shelf anyway.

There is only one thing I hate about the book... its cover! The cashier probably though I was a self-help fanatic. The graphic and title make it look like one of those books. I almost expected L. Ron Hubbard's name to be on the cover somewhere.


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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:57 AM

CAPTAINCDC


I have not gotten my copy of the book yet. I'm about to order it from amazon. While I was there I noticed that there is only one review for the book. You good people that have already read the book should go and write your own review. Help get the word out.
This is the link:
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1932100431/qid=1112733649/sr=2-1/ref=p
d_bbs_b_2_1/002-3855614-2069656


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The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason!

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 10:57 AM

CAPTAINCDC


Sorry!

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:15 AM

SUPERANT


GREENFAERIE:

Yes, the cover is a problem. When I show it to people, they are going to react to the cover. They are going to think I belong to a cult and want to recruit them. (which may be true, but the book cover should not give that away)

Oh, well, the articles are great. I'm almost finished, and not looking forward to not having more great thought provoking, funny, insightful articles to read!

Superant

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:35 AM

ZOID



GreenFaerie wrote:
Quote:

...There is only one thing I hate about the book... its cover! The cashier probably though I was a self-help fanatic. The graphic and title make it look like one of those books...

Yeah, I think I might've gotten one of those looks, too. And then the sweet, mid-40's lady cashier read the rest of the cover and saw the subtitle, "Anti-heroes, Lost Shepherds and Space Hookers in Joss Whedon's Firefly" and nearly had an apoplectic fit. I was afraid I was going to have to chase one of her eyeballs across the counter.

She just kinda looked at me, and I just kinda smiled...

If I didn't know better (and I don't), I'd suspect the 'self-help'ish title and cover design, juxtaposed against the subtitle's "Hookers", was an elaborate and intentional joke. I guess it all depends on whether you think this would fit Jane Espenson's (and cohorts) wit and intelligence. Given her association with Monsieur Whedon, I wouldn't put it past her.

I know I found that cashier's reaction hi-larious.


Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
No, I didn't try to convert her. I know she wanted to ask, too; but I kept strictly mum. I'll bet she moseyed back and browsed a copy on her next break, purchased one when she got off shift, has finished reading it cover to cover, and has since purchased the Firefly DVD set. Mystery: How much would you give to know what Mona Lisa was thinking about when she smiled that smile?
_________________________________________________

"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." The Ballad of Serenity

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 3:21 PM

FFYING2


Quote:

Originally posted by Shiny:
Quote:

Originally posted by Eichinger:
Finding Serenity is great. The Chinese translation "essay" is worth the price alone. Seems there are some seriously messed up people over there at Mutant Enemy to come up with this stuff. :) :)



And in case you weren't aware, that essay and the glossary in the back were both written by our own Ying ("FFYING"), a regular both here at FFF.net and over on the OB.

Great work, Ying!!!

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.



Xiexie, Shiny.

But it sounds like Eichinger is referring to the glossary's English that Joss and the writers got translated into Chinese (that's certainly funny stuff). At least I would hope my actual essay doesn't deserve irony quotes.

Ying
"Chinese Words in the 'Verse"

Firefly Funsite http://fireflyfunsite.home.att.net
Firefly Chinese Pinyinary http://fireflychinese.home.att.net

Browncoats.com http://www.browncoats.com

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 3:57 PM

GREENFAERIE


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
If I didn't know better (and I don't), I'd suspect the 'self-help'ish title and cover design, juxtaposed against the subtitle's "Hookers", was an elaborate and intentional joke...

I know I found that cashier's reaction hi-larious.



Now that you mention it, I don't hate the cover so much. Although I doubt most people making a cursory glance at the cover do catch that sideline, it certainly does mitigate the L.-Ron-Hubbardness of it.

I've just gotten through the essay on Sawney Beane. Now I'm thinking the Reavers are a tool of Blue Sun! Only five more months left before that theory might be answered...

I'm savoring this book more with each page turning!



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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 4:35 PM

BARCLAY


Finding Serenity, Finding new converts.

So I ordered my copy of Finding Serenity and the Wonderfalls DVDs. One of my friends saw Finding Serenity "Anti-heroes, Lost shepards and Space Hookers in Joss Whedon's Firefly," which, with my continual outspoken appreciation of the series led him to bring in two other people and give the show a try. Naturally I show Serenity, and an hour and a half later we're planning when to watch The Train Job. The magic's still there.

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Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:40 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Quote:

Originally posted by ffying2:
Quote:

Originally posted by Shiny:
And in case you weren't aware, that essay and the glossary in the back were both written by our own Ying ("FFYING"), a regular both here at FFF.net and over on the OB.

Great work, Ying!!!



Xiexie, Shiny.


I am so happy to find out that was your essay and glossary, Ying (thx, Shiny). Clears up my only complaint about the book. After reading I had gone through the source list thinking, "But. But. But. You left out Ying's Firefly Chinese Pinyinary website. (grumble grumble)." So I'm relieved to find out it was a case of the author being modest rather than the author neglecting to cite the most complete online reference for Firefly translations.

Great work indeed!!!

---------------------
Next up: Early "Nutcrusher" Jubal and the Firebuggers

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 5:24 AM

PURPLEBELLY


UK News: Amazon have just notified dispatch of my pre-order, so some have made it across the water; or am I being uncharacteristically trusting?

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:37 AM

ASH


Quote:

Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
UK News: Amazon have just notified dispatch of my pre-order, so some have made it across the water; or am I being uncharacteristically trusting?



Well the site still says 11-14 days before dispatch, so maybe they're just sending out pre-orders.

I want a copy but will wait and see if somehow I find it in a bookstore first. Highly doubt it though.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:31 AM

ZOID


Hey, folks:

We're coming up on the end of first week sales (Friday the 8th of April). Anybody know where to find the sales rankings for literary releases? How long does it take to tabulate first-week sales figures? (NB: Writers or literary agent-types, R.S.V.P.)

I'm really interested in following this book's performance in the first few weeks of publication, and a running tally for total sales worldwide, right up through Serenity's theatrical run. Those results should be indicative of the effect the Browncoat Faithful will have on the movie's performance.

Just remember, the book is not a major release. If it 'charts', it will be almost entirely due to sales to Browncoats/Whedonites. Nobody else is gonna know, due to lack of promotion for the book (except by us). The movie should get at least some advance promotion by Universal, so we won't be going it alone there.

But if the book does in fact 'chart', it will be an undeniable indicator that there are enough Browncoats around to make the BDM a success, even if only a less-than-average number of casual moviegoers ever buy a ticket. By successful, I mean at least $60 million box office and a couple hundred thousand DVD's sold.

That'll get the sequels made. "I call that a win."


Respectfully,

zoid
_________________________________________________

"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." The Ballad of Serenity

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:23 AM

JARED


Quote:

Originally posted by fray101:
I bet if I hadn't cancelled my order it would still be saying "Estimated shipment date 31st March"!



well, mine does *lol* curious for how long it will keep saying that. only once before did i have a problem like that with amazon. first it took forever, then it changed to 1-2 weeks, later to 3-5 weeks and finally to "sorry, we dont have that" *sigh*

http://festini.device-zero.de

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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM

SUPERANT


Amazon has it ranked at 619 at this minute

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1932100431/

This number will change every day, as long as it stays in the hundreds, that is a good thing.

My favorite essays:

Whores and Goddesses
We're all just floating in space
Listening to Firefly
Mirror/Mirror
Kaylee Speaks
Chinese words in the Verse
The Heirs of Sawney Beans

My God, just Whores and Goddesses or Listening o Firefly make the book worth twice the price to me. All the essays in the book made me think deep thoughts or laugh, can't ask for more than that.

Superant


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Wednesday, April 6, 2005 10:44 AM

KELLAINA


For any Canadians out there thinking of ordering it (have any bookstores stocked it yet?), Chapters/Indigo.ca is shipping immediately (I placed my order at 2am this morning and received confirmation it shipped this afternoon).

However, it's cheaper at Amazon.ca (30% off! I should have checked there first).

And ranked 587!!



If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -"Angel"

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:42 AM

BARNSTORMER


Yoohooooo

I had a 2fer last night....
I called my local B&N to see if they had Finding Serenity in stock. The guy who answered the phone said they had two in stock but when he went to find them he could'nt locate them. So, after work I went to the store to look myself.

I could'nt find it either.
I asked for help from the customer service desk.
She could'nt find it either.
She called someone else for help.
The three of us searched for 15 minutes before one of us came up with the goods (end of the row in a book rack NEXT to the SciFi section, go figure huh?).


So, while the someone else she called went out back to get me a copy of the new David Webber book that I wanted also, she read the cover.

"Anti heroes, Lost Shepards..." she said.
"Ummm Space Hookers????" she said.

So, of course I had to explain. Turns out she's an unabashed scifi nut and self proclaimed trekkie who only vaguely remembers something called firefly.

So, after I straightened her ass out over the fact that Firefly beats the tar out of any ST:TNG season, ever conceived, she went with me to the DVD section where we found her a copy of the Season 1 (and only) episodes.

And, yes she bought it while I sat there using her employee discount.

I got the book, and I got a convert, all in one night!!!!

Like I said, a 2fer.



Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 5:00 AM

KNIBBLET


I'm waiting for mine to arrive. Allegedly, Amazon has shipped it.
The neighbors think I'm in full-on Gladys Kravitz mode - peering out the window spying on them. Nope, just waiting for the Brown truck to arrive.

"I'm gonna rip you a new puppet hole, bitch!"

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 5:26 AM

CLARRY


Have faith!

I received my Amazon notification yesterday to say it was being sent by Royal Mail.

Royal Mail must mean it's in the UK.

Does having this book make me an official geek?

Stop World Chaos - Kill all Butterflies

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:12 AM

SHINY


Quote:

Originally posted by Clarry:

Does having this book make me an official geek?



No, but the fact that you posted here about it does. ;p

(and the fact that I immediately understood your sig makes me one, too!) ;)

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:31 PM

FFYING2


Quote:

Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
I am so happy to find out that was your essay and glossary, Ying (thx, Shiny). Clears up my only complaint about the book. After reading I had gone through the source list thinking, "But. But. But. You left out Ying's Firefly Chinese Pinyinary website. (grumble grumble)." So I'm relieved to find out it was a case of the author being modest rather than the author neglecting to cite the most complete online reference for Firefly translations.

Great work indeed!!!



Xiexie. Sorry to make you grumble.

Ying

Firefly Funsite http://fireflyfunsite.home.att.net
Firefly Chinese Pinyinary http://fireflychinese.home.att.net

Browncoats.com http://www.browncoats.com

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:37 PM

FFYING2


Quote:

Originally posted by Shiny:
(and the fact that I immediately understood your sig makes me one, too!) ;)



But just killing off all the butterflies won't do it. We also have to write all names and words out in full... to stop sensitive dependence on initial conditions.

(Ouch, but it's a physics pun from a humanities guy!)

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 5:10 PM

DARKJESTER


ffying wrote:
Quote:

(Ouch, but it's a physics pun from a humanities guy!)


With a pun that bad, was your degree in (Charles) Manson Humanities to Man?

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Thursday, April 7, 2005 5:46 PM

FFYING2


Quote:

Manson Humanities to Man


Why, yes.

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 6:52 AM

BOBTAYLOR


I'm doing my best to get the word out.

"Serenity" and me made the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette today!

http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/05099/485316.stm

(You'll have to scroll down a bit.)

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:55 PM

SHINY


Quote:

Originally posted by ffying2:
Quote:

Originally posted by Shiny:
(and the fact that I immediately understood your sig makes me one, too!) ;)



But just killing off all the butterflies won't do it. We also have to write all names and words out in full... to stop sensitive dependence on initial conditions.




Ouch! That hurt my brain! ;p

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:56 PM

SHINY


Quote:

Originally posted by bobtaylor:
I'm doing my best to get the word out.

"Serenity" and me made the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette today!

http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/05099/485316.stm

(You'll have to scroll down a bit.)



Nice job, Bob!

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

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Sunday, April 10, 2005 6:16 AM

NYWOE


Quote:

Originally posted by bobtaylor:
I'm doing my best to get the word out.

"Serenity" and me made the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette today!

http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/05099/485316.stm

(You'll have to scroll down a bit.)



Cool! And I'll bet anyone who reads the title of your essay will be instantly intrigued! ;)

I have heard of a place where humans do battle in a ring of Jell-O.
--Teal'c

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Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:45 PM

BOBTAYLOR


Quote:

Originally posted by Nywoe:

Cool! And I'll bet anyone who reads the title of your essay will be instantly intrigued! ;)



Heh. You're probably right. Funny thing about the title -- Ben Bella Books asked me for an essay title several weeks after I turned in my final draft. I'm not great with titles and, honestly, hadn't given it much thought. The folks at Ben Bella then said, "Well, just give us a temporary title to use as a placeholder for the manuscript proofs."

Off the top of my head, I said, "Just put down 'The Captain May Wear the Tight Pants, but It's the Gals Who Make Serenity Soar.'" We agreed that we'd change it as soon as either them or me came up with something better. Turns out, neither of us did. Worked out okay, though, since I think the title accurately conveys the mostly jovial tone of my essay.

It's nice to hear that so many people are enjoying the book. It was a fun project to be a part of.

www.robert-b-taylor.com

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Sunday, April 10, 2005 3:17 PM

ZOID


bobtaylor wrote:
Quote:

...It was a fun project to be a part of.

I'll bet! I hope you're also cognizant of the probability of being involved in a growing cultural phenomenon, at the 'ground floor', so to speak. If the movie does as well as I suspect, the Firefly 'verse could someday overshadow the Star Wars saga (if only because JW is the superior writer to Lucas and his sycophants: "Mr. Lucas, is it okay if I have the characters make sense? No? Yes sir, Mr. Lucas, whatever you say, sir!").

As I opined to KRAD, when Serenity soars into the void left by the epically depressing conclusion to Star Wars, I think the public will latch on to our BDHs and JW's ingenious storytelling like a shipwrecked man clutches a life preserver. Finding oneself positioned on the lifeboat -- passing out those preservers -- is good luck, delivered by a hypodermic to the gluteals.


Respectfully,

zoid
_________________________________________________

"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." The Ballad of Serenity

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Sunday, April 10, 2005 6:10 PM

YT

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same


Quote:

Originally posted by bobtaylor:
http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/05099/485316.stm


Rob Owen the floor, laughing. Got it -- the book, I mean, not the paper.

Keep the Shiny Side Up . . . (wutzon) Commitments, "Hard to Handle", eponymous soundtrack

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Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:24 PM

JARED


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
"Mr. Lucas, is it okay if I have the characters make sense? No? Yes sir, Mr. Lucas, whatever you say, sir!").



repeating myself, but cant help thinking about an interview with mark hamill. something about lucas' problem is being surrounded (or surrounding himself with) people that would call it pure genius if he was picking his nose.

maybe that's the problem, nobody having the guts to say "uh, george, that scene of anakin riding the giant tick.. it's utter bull and you really need your head examined.. first jar jar and now THIS.. wtf is wrong with you?"

Quote:

As I opined to KRAD, when Serenity soars into the void left by the epically depressing conclusion to Star Wars


not sure if it will really be that depressing (except you mean storywise). but then, after the trailers for ep2 i also thought it might be good *sigh*. anyway, star wars over, enterprise cancelled and galactica so far sticking to the small screen sounds like a good window.

http://festini.device-zero.de

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Monday, April 11, 2005 12:23 AM

ZOID


Jared wrote:
Quote:

...not sure if it will really be that depressing (except you mean storywise)...

We already know how Episode III: The Sudden But Inevitable Betrayal ends. I'd call that a major spoiler.

By the end of SW EpIII: TSBIB, Anakin will have suddenly but inevitably betrayed the Jedi (perhaps even with a scene in which Mace Windu delivers Wash's line, "Curse your sudden...", right before Vader beheads him). Darth Sidious (Palpatine) will turn Anakin to the Dark Side and together they will hunt down and kill all the Jedi except Obi-Won and Yoda, who will find themselves hiding out in the wastelands of Tatooine and Dagobah, respectively, like Sadam in his hidey-hole, clutching their useless Jedi knowledge and waiting to die. Anakin will have fathered twins on Amidala (who I've got to say has terrible taste in men, perhaps worse than Eva Braun), but they too will be spirited away into hiding, neither even knowing they have a sibling. ...Let alone a Midichlorian-induced monster for a father (ah, Lucas and his mitochondrial genocide gods!).

So, in the thrilling and heart-warming conclusion to moviedom's most beloved sci-fi series, Hayden Christensen will be transformed from a whining 6'1" skinny streak of piss into Darth Vader (six feet seven inches, as portayed by David Prowse), the basso-voiced right hand man of Satan Incarnate. That's what I call character development! Together, Vader and Emperor Palpatine will skip off into the sunset, spreading death and darkness everywhere they turn.

I predict some children will be seen exiting theatres with tears flowing down their faces, while others will have a disquieting glow in their eyes...

So, yeah, I feel fairly comfortable saying, 'epically depressing conclusion'.


Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
I know it may sound as though I'm bashing SW, but I'm really only bashing GL. What happened to him? I stood on line for hours at the theatre to see the original trilogy at least 6 times each. That's how good I thought they were, how compelling the mythology. Ronald Reagan used that mythology as a catch phrase to defeat the Evil Empire, the former USSR. That's not happenstance, it's testimony to the genius of the original trilogy. So where did George's train jump the gorram track, huh?

I will go see it in the theatre, 'cause I'm that kind of idiot. But, as Luke/Han/Leia/Lando/Obi Ewan would say, "I've got a bad feeling about this...". It'll really be kind of a blessing when the old girl finally shuffles off the mortal coil: It's a shame to see Star Wars suffering from senile dementia this way.

P.P.S.
On the other hand, the SW games totally rock, so 'party on!', LucasArts!
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"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." The Ballad of Serenity

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