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Dollhouse finally gets wiped

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UPDATED: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 06:44
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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:41 PM

Sounds like they're going to air the rest of this season and be done with it. Personally I'm not even slightly broken up over the loss.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/11/11/this-just-in-dollhouse-axed/

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:19 PM

STORYMARK

Was a bit of a foregone conclusion for a long while now.

I do like the blurb in there that we'll know what Joss' next project is before the final episode airs, so we'll have something to look forward to in the new year.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:19 PM

JLIN

Well, I am. It may not have been the best show on TV but it by far is not the worst.

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:28 PM

ZEEK

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
I do like the blurb in there that we'll know what Joss' next project is before the final episode airs, so we'll have something to look forward to in the new year.

Interesting. The Joss update wasn't even there when I saw it. I wonder if it is an internet project. At least it is something to look forward to like you said.

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:29 PM

CAUSAL

Let's just hope it ends strong.

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:46 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I'm sad for Joss. Didn't like the show myself, but I always wish him success. What's the new project? Always interested...wonder if he'll find use for any of the "regulars"?

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:53 PM

DEWRASTLER

I'm sorry for Joss and the crew. I've been following Eliza, Dichen, and Maurissa on Twitter just to get updates on the show and they all seem like really good people. I hope the whole cast finds work again soon, I really like their work so far.

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:59 PM

STINKINGROSE

I actually enjoyed it.

Oh well..

At least it frees up the people to work on other things.
Maybe all that talent can wander over to Castle and Bones for a while.

(Or everyone on Bones, Castle, Chuck, Dollhouse, Doctor Horrible, V, and anyone else I'm missing can all show up on The Guild and really blow people's minds!)

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:18 PM

JRNYFAN

Sad

I enjoyed this show, I think it showed a lot of promise and this season was much better than season 1.

I do think that Eliza Dushku was a poor choice for a leading lady, she doesn't have the range needed for that role but over all, I thought it was a good show...not great, but good enough to go 3-4 seasons and wrap up then.

I hope they give us a suitable ending, nothing is worse than having a show brutally yanked off the air with a bunch of loose ends left dangling *cough*

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:40 PM

CHRISISALL

Sorry Joss, but ya need to LOVE your concept, not just do it as a filler in between greatness.

Go to SYFY next time, K?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Can't say I'm surprised, but I am sad for Joss and the whole cast and crew of Dollhouse.

I'l wish them much, much, MUCH success in their future projects, and let's just put this one behind us and move on.

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:19 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Cudos to Joss & Co for making a successful TV series about CIA MKULTRA Project Monarch mindcontrol. I wonder if Cathy O'Brien and her daughter Kelly Cox watched it -- and got deprogrammed?

Very gutsy move that must have angered very powerful and scary people.

That's like making a TV series about Pentagon & CIA's Operation Northwoods assassinating JFK Sr, or Bush & Cheney bombing World Trade Center on 9/11. Which would be great ideas for TV series BTW.

Joss appeared on History Channel's Star Wars The Legacy Revealed, which declared George Bush a dictator perping false-flag domestic terrorist bombings against his own nation on 9/11, just like Adolf Hitler in the Reichstag Fire and Operation Himmler:
http://www.history.com/minisites/starwarslegacy

Quote:
Abbie Bernstein: Do you believe a government can be shamed into or out of what it's doing by the actions of individuals?

Joss Whedon: The idea was to say that people can make a difference, they can show the wrongs that are being done. They can speak out against them and make people aware of them. They can even create giant scandals. Sometimes they can topple governments. The point is that the truth is always more important than the power structure, and whether you make a dent or not, the fact that you succeeded in trying is a victory.
-Serenity - The Official Visual Companion, page 35

Because calling it WhoreHouse was too obvious

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:23 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'll wish them much, much, MUCH success in their future projects, and let's just put this one behind us and move on.

I'd call it a success of sorts... lasting more than 6 eps in this day & age is rather nice.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:36 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

Of course they're not going to renew Dollhouse, since the last episode "Belonging" was GREAT.

(Not "Epitaph One" grrr-reat, but maybe on par with "Man on the Street".)

*sigh*
However, there were some big plausibility problems this season, hindering the believability of the show. Like the Kikki and psycho-killer switcheroo; though it may have been funny, it was impossible. And the whole being-eight-stories-underground-and-people-constantly-escaping thing. Did all the guards go on vacation? I thought "Alpha is a genius" was supposed to mean something.

Quote:
Originally posted by jrnyfan:
I do think that Eliza Dushku was a poor choice for a leading lady, she doesn't have the range needed for that role but over all...

I don't think it was Eliza so much as some of the things they (the makers of the show) were having her do/be.

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I hope they give us a suitable ending, nothing is worse than having a show brutally yanked off the air with a bunch of loose ends left dangling *cough*

*cough*Firefly*cough*, *cough*John Doe*cough*, *hack*Lone Gunmen*hack* (Yes, they were

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killed off

on the X-Files, but their show had a big cliffhanger.), *vomit*Drive*vomit* (ONLY 4 EPS AIRED, WTF?!!)

...M-my lung! I-it's flopping all over the dirt! Damn.

We still have 9(?) eps left, which FOX said* they will show in December. I hope I think Joss can do a lot in 9 eps.

*(We all know that Fox ALWAYS does as they say they will--Oh wait, Fox said they would air the last 2 eps of Drive on July 4 2007, and they didn't. GRR ARGH!!!)

Well, I hope we get a kickass send off!

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:01 PM

RICHROX

Eh, it seemed like it was fixated on Eliza Dushku getting sexed up.

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Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:54 AM

RIVER6213

*Sigh*

I actually liked Dollhouse. Another Joss W. series flushed down the network toilet of life...

-River

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Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:46 AM

SIMONWHO

I liked the show and thought it was great on occasion but not enough occasions. Oh well.

Check out today's PvP for a slight diss at Dollhouse but... well, you'll see:

http://www.pvponline.com/2009/11/12/dullhouse/

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Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:41 PM

BYTEMITE

I'm not so sure it was necessarily Eliza's acting. The role itself was problematic. She was not engaging as a Doll, but that's more a constraint of the role.

However... I grant you that Sierra was OFTEN engaging, even as a doll. Perhaps the problem was the approach; Sierra, while still creepily child-like and serene in a way, still smiled and emoted somewhat, which made her likeable. There were a few times Echo did, but most often she had to act confused or too blank... Almost to the point where I sometimes wondered if Eliza wasn't just really really high.

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Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:24 PM

JAMERON4EVA

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Can't say I'm surprised, but I am sad for Joss and the whole cast and crew of Dollhouse.

I'l wish them much, much, MUCH success in their future projects, and let's just put this one behind us and move on.

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!

I'm not sur[prised either, i mean the mratings have been lower than 5 million, i believe that unless a show is like REALLY, REALLY, MINDBLOWINGLY GREAT, and it's under 5 million, should get the axe. And i just didn't feel the vibe with this as i did with other Joss W. shows, and it had low ratings. But i digress...

And if you haven't been looking, the talk is FOX( HATE, HATE, HATE), may bring TSCC back in january, or sometime after the second half of this TV season. Now i'm not saying anything other than i see it, but that piece of info, along with DOLLHOUSE's bad ratings, being on FOX, and being on the DEATH SLOT, this cancellation, MAY, and i stress the MAY, bring back TSCC. I'm not saying i believe it, and not at the expense of another show, Terminator or not, but you have to wonder, will they, or may they? Like i said any show that sticks it to FOX, i love at this point, and i hope DOLLHOUSE gets picked up by SYFY, help to bolster the scifi genre, but if TSCC does get put back on, i'll jump for joy because that's the best show i've seen in the last few years, not accounting MONDAY NIGHT RAW, which beats EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING, it even beat the combined coverage of all sports games, for weeks in a row. But i will feel alittle dpressed that DOLLHOUSE is getting cancelled.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Friday, November 13, 2009 7:12 AM

OPPYH

AS long as Joss keeps away from writing comic books, I'm up for anything he has planned next.

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Friday, November 13, 2009 7:36 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

I wouldn't bash the comic thing so much

In fact his run on X-men received critical praise and IMO it was a lot more rich and entertaining than Dollhouse

Season 1 Episode 01

ASTONISHING X-MEN

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Friday, November 13, 2009 7:42 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:

Check out today's PvP for a slight diss at Dollhouse but... well, you'll see:

http://www.pvponline.com/2009/11/12/dullhouse/

Cruel, but all too true. :)

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Friday, November 13, 2009 7:47 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
...this cancellation, MAY, and i stress the MAY, bring back TSCC. I'm not saying i believe it, and not at the expense of another show, Terminator or not, but you have to wonder, will they, or may they? Like i said any show that sticks it to FOX, i love at this point, and i hope DOLLHOUSE gets picked up by SYFY...

See, to me, TSCC would be just about a PERFECT fit at Syfy, and that's really more the audience it's aimed at anyway. Dollhouse, in my not-so-humble opinion, just doesn't really HAVE a target audience.

Like Byte said, it's not so much Eliza's acting (or to some extent, maybe it is); it's that the roles and the characters themselves just aren't very likable. The "good guys" on the show are nothing more than blank slates, and the "bad guys" aren't even tortured souls who do what they have to, but have their reasons and their moral code of ethics. They're just bad people, doing bad things for large amounts of money. Nothing compelling about that. If I wanted THAT story, I'd make a show about Goldman Sachs! ;)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Friday, November 13, 2009 9:17 AM

OPPYH

Quote:
Originally posted by JaynezTown:
I wouldn't bash the comic thing so much

In fact his run on X-men received critical praise and IMO it was a lot more rich and entertaining than Dollhouse

Season 1 Episode 01

ASTONISHING X-MEN

I loved Astonishing X-Men issues 1-8 after that, the story just kind of fizzled out.
Everything else he has written in comics has just kind of been average IMO. And Joss is no mediocre writer by any means.

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Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 AM

BYTEMITE

Well, it's a different medium. He's talked before about how weird it was going from directing a tv-series to directing a movie. Writing for tv-shows versus movies versus literature versus comic books all have a different feel.

That's probably why he gets writers and artists for him for comic books, he can tell them basically what he wants, and they can execute it in a manner that works for comic books.

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Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:22 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Not surprised. DH was too dark for general viewers and you needed patience, something that a majority of folk don't have when viewing.

Still though I liked the concept, had Fox left Joss alone with his chemistry set early on, perhaps we would have a surprise hit on our hands. Of course nothing like Firefly, but a hit none the less.

My fav eps involved the bonding relationship between Echo and Boyd. I always wanted to see where that was going. Eliza was not so bad when she interacted with Harry Lennix (Boyd). Unfortunately we won't get to ride this out either.

Maybe now we'll finally get Book's back story.
Firefly miniseries?

Oh, the possibilities.

SGG

Tawabawho?

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Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:29 AM

PCCH7

I´ve really tried to like this show and that´s really the problem. You shouldn´t have to try that hard to like a show, so it´s clearly not working for me.. The twists that they´re coming up with now doesn´t make any sense. And now that they killed off a certain character, I´ve lost the one point of interest I had. Another problem is that Eliza Dushku is the worst actor/actress on the show. Not sad to see this go, Joss will have more time to do something good.

"Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor.."

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Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:44 PM

JAMERON4EVA

Exactly, we all just fell in love with FIREFLY, nor STARGATE, nor STAR TREK. Nor any of the oter shows/ movies that are great. You love it instantly, or you don't. Now there is some leway, but in general, if you fail to love a show by episode say five, six, then it should be cancelled. Case in point, SOUTH PARK, and the SIMPSONS, people love them instantly, or they hate them. By the way, my other vehicle, is, a lime-green EVO VIII, like the one Paul Walker drives in 2FAST2FURIOUS, love the car. Oh, and of course, a FIREFLY.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:11 PM

CHRISISALL

Shows I instantly loved on sight:

Star Trek
The Prisoner
Kung Fu
Incredible Hulk
Airwolf
Dark Angel

Firefly was not one of them, sadly. I had to discover it on DVD 2 + years later.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:28 PM

BYTEMITE

Unfortunately, Jameron, the 6 episodes to gain interest thing is probably the code Fox was working off of when they cancelled Firefly. If only things were easier.

Really, the only thing you can rely on is taste. And sometimes, executives will cancel a show or not even give it a chance to succeed because their tastes lie in a different area (or because they're only thinking about profits).

If a show gets put on the air, it should only be because the network loves it or wants to give it a try. Networks executives should be fans of the shows they promote. And they should be upfront about it, so that if they don't like a show because of taste or obscure reasons (like "we think reality shows and baseball will do better this season"), they should say upfront so the producer can shop other networks.

I think that might solve a lot of problems.

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Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:00 PM

SHADESIREN

I liked the show, I watched the show, but really, it meandered all over, couldn't seem to figure out what the heck it was about, seemed like it kept changing it's mind (No, I'm like Charlie's angels, only, I'm just one chick - that changes into different people and costumes... no, wait.. I'm really a good guy terrorist trying to take down a corporation.. no, wait, really I'm a genetic anomaly that can override programming and use my brain like a filing cabinet, pulling out skills as I need them.. no, wait.. changed my mind again.... )

And to make matters worse, I couldn't STAND "Caroline" and "Echo" was only barely not annoying. I like Eliza, but I feel like she's just Faith, badly pretending to be someone else, over and over again. And I don't love Faith.

The supporting characters were way interesting, but their storylines felt like they were ALL over the place...

Towards the end, it seemed like they'd finally decided on a pretty cool show, but on FOX, you just can't take two seasons to get there! You have to know what you are and who you are and what you're doing right off the bat. While I am a HUGE fan of all things Joss, I am surprised Dollhouse lasted as long as it did - happy, but surprised.

I love Joss's style, the way the characters talk, the moments like Paul's "What I miss?" reaction to a friend leveling a gun at his head - that's a GREAT reaction. You know his brain summed everything up quickly, and went straight to the most important question. Not "Hey! What are you doing?" or anything expected. "What'd I miss?" It's just classic Joss dialogue. Whoever actually wrote it lol.

Anyway... I'm sad it's going, but I'm really hopeful the next idea is a little better evolved by the time it hits the airwaves - I doubt he's going to get two full seasons next time to figure things out.

The sad thing, I think, is if you look at Buffy, it wasn't it's strongest in the early seasons, either. It was lucky enough to be popular before we knew what it could be, and Fox was happy back then, to let it get there, as it was already plenty popular.

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Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:14 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Man, those shows bring back fond memories - Kung Fu, Airwolf, Star Trek.

I agree that execs don't generally give shows a fighting chance, especially if they don't become an instant hit. But I say that they bury shows they don't like more so than they give shows a chance. Bottom line is king in H'wood.

My favs from jump were:

Firefly, of course (was hooked from the moment I saw Serenity fly over the horses in the promo)

Dark Angel, Jessica Alba - enough said.

Space: Above and Beyond - Marines in space fighting aliens (Hmmm, sounds familiar)

Will & Grace (Hey, how did that get in there?)

TBBT - geeks who love sci-fi (remind you of anyone?)

MASH - a big fan back when.

Frasier - brilliantly written.

Star Trek Voyager - some really good stories, then there's 7of9.

Special mention: Quantum Leap.

To be fair, I do lean toward sci-fi for fav shows.

SGG

Tawabawho?

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:11 AM

ZZETTA13

War zone; in the Foxhole,

Firefly,
Drive,
TSCC,
Dollhouse

Z

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:46 AM

SCHISM

To me the main mistake with Dollhouse was to focus 80% of the time on one character, especially when that character was literally completely other people half the time, so you never really knew who that person was.

Man....that sounded complicated.

Mal may have been the 'star' of Firefly, but it never focused 100% on him. That's what I loved about it. Name me another show that had nine primary characters!

No, seriously, I'd like to know and check it out...provided it's not Star Trek....

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:44 AM

NCBROWNCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by stinkingrose:
I actually enjoyed it.

Oh well..

At least it frees up the people to work on other things.
Maybe all that talent can wander over to Castle and Bones for a while.

(Or everyone on Bones, Castle, Chuck, Dollhouse, Doctor Horrible, V, and anyone else I'm missing can all show up on The Guild and really blow people's minds!)

Now that would be awesome. Get all of "Joss's Stock Player Company" together and do another internet thingy. It would blow Network TV off the air.

I have to admit that I haven't been watching Dollhouse regularly since the first couple of episodes but I caught the end of Friday's episode. It blew me away, literally.

This is what Dollhouse should have been about and it should have been on SYFY as a BSG replacement.

http://fireflyfaninnc.livejournal.com/

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:57 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Quote:
Originally posted by Shadesiren:
...if you look at Buffy, it wasn't its strongest in the early seasons, either. It was lucky enough to be popular before we knew what it could be, and Fox was happy back then, to let it get there, as it was already plenty popular.

That was The WB that gave Buffy the chance to grow. 20th Century Fox Studios produced it but the FOX tv network had nothing to do with it.

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 6:06 AM

LWAVES

Quote:
Originally posted by Schism:
To me the main mistake with Dollhouse was to focus 80% of the time on one character.

Mal may have been the 'star' of Firefly, but it never focused 100% on him.

The same could be applied to Buffy and Angel as well. The title characters may have been the main leads but you were just as interested in Willow, Xander, Giles, Cordy, Wes, Fred, Gunn and all the others that made up the ensemble and they all had their own stories.

One thing that really disappointed me about Dollhouse was that even with Echo as the lead doll they only used three others. Victor, Sierra and November were used but what about the other 22 names? Alpha and Whiskey were used in the past but I assume they would have been replaced and a couple of other names got mentioned in passing but I would have liked to have seen more of them, even if only whilst on a mission.

Quote:

Name me another show that had nine primary characters!

Buffy Season 3 -
Buffy, Angel, Willow, Xander, Giles, Cordy, Oz, Faith. That's 8, almost there.

Lost -
Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Charlie, Claire, Sayid, Walt, Michael, Boone, Shannon. Ta-daa!

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:18 PM

LOONEYLAD

The last few episodes have been fantastic. This show doesn't deserve to be canceled any more than Firefly did. I really like the show, and I feel like it deserves some sort of fight to be "saved"...

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Monday, January 18, 2010 2:18 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Mal may have been the 'star' of Firefly, but it never focused 100% on him. That's what I loved about it. Name me another show that had nine primary characters!

Agreed, establish the Dollhouse premise in the first ep and then go into the inner workings of the DH structure and some of the motivating factors. The eps that contained actual assignments were pretty much run-of-the-mill assignment gone wrong and had no real suspense other than when will echo save the day.

Ep after ep was saying how special Echo was instead of showing us how special she was. What I liked about the ending of Friday's ep was Boyd's role in all of this. Personally I would have preferred that the reveal wasn't until Ballard found out - that my friends would have been a much better climax. The way it was done t'was only a matter of time before Echo and company blew him away. That was a small pet peeve I had about this ep.

Once again though, Joss brings in the theme of family, although somewhat warped, but family nonetheless. If Ballard ends up with Echo/Caroline I'm gonna puke. I do not like this match up. Ballard, to me, was much more annoying than heroic. Glad to see Pria and Victor end up together. Is it me or does anyone else feel that Echo's present persona has evolved for the worse. Just a thought.

I kinda felt bad when Mellie did the Russian Roulette thingy. Anyone else?

SGG

Tawabawho?

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:30 AM

ZEEK

Quote:
Originally posted by lwaves:
Lost -
Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Charlie, Claire, Sayid, Walt, Michael, Boone, Shannon. Ta-daa!

Primary: Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke
Canon Fodder: Charlie, Claire, Sayid, Walt, Michael, Boone, Shannon

I don't think Lost's characters can hold a candle to any of Joss's primary characters. Heck the writers can't even keep Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Locke consistent.

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Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:44 AM

BYTEMITE

Yeah, Echo and Ballard really aren't good. I actually kind of cheered when to rewire Ballard they had to remove his feelings for Echo, because it was pretty much creepy and wrong. Even from the beginning, when he hadn't even met Echo and was obsessed with her anyway.

Echo might actually feel something, but Ballard? I'm just not seeing it. Even if Alpha claims otherwise. Sharing a room but not sleeping together is love? Excuse me while I squick over childhood family vacations, then. :x But then, Alpha is twisted.

Which brings me to a plot hole. They say Echo's physiology is unique and doesn't allow her to be wiped. Uh... Didn't Alpha retain some of his base personality as well? Isn't that was the Episode Needs was about, that on some level the dolls retain some aspects of themselves that has to be fulfilled for their health and well being? Isn't that the whole goddamn point of the show? Something about erasing memories, but not being able to erase the soul?

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